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Combat said:
That was a golden era for the NBA. The Lakers could have won ten or more championships except for the fact that they had to go against Bird and the Celtics, Dr J and the Sixers, and Thomas and the Pistons. All those teams were stacked. And that leaves out the great Jazz teams with Malone and Stockton and Spurs with Gilmore and Gervin, the Rockets with Moses (the sweatiest man in sports) Malone, Ralph Sampson etc. The most underrated player on that Lakers team was James Worthy. He was too fast to be covered by a power forward and too big to be covered by a smaller forward.
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Don't forget Byron Scott

Carlos
 
Lakers are rumored to be going after Kemba Walker.

There are also reports of Kyrie joining the Nets or the Lakers. Reportedly, he has joined forces with Durant but that sounds a little far fetched.
 
Been a Laker fan since the 60's as child watching Jerry West and Elgin Baylor on black & white TV with my father.

They where exciting but always, I mean always lost championships to the Celtics until the 80's.

Redemption came later with beating the Knicks and then those wonderful years in the 1980's with "Showtime" and with even more championships later.

The Lakers had wonderful ownership (Jerry Buss) and a genius GM with Jerry West, "Magic" made the Lakers great IMO. A true Dynasty!

Great Players, are great players but great ownership and great management (GM & Coaching) make great players into a dynasty.

IMO, the Lakers will win more games and be very entertaining to watch but will be disappointing in the end.

I wish we could sign up for new ownership and management!

Until then, enjoy the drama called the "Los Angeles Lakers" coming to a station near you.

Carlos
 
The Warriors get a lot of hate, mostly due to their success. As George can tell you via his experience with the Patriots it comes with the winning.

However, Golden State made an absolute class move by taking out a full-page ad in Monday's edition of the Toronto Star to congratulate the Toronto Raptors. It read:

"The Golden State Warriors congratulate the Toronto Raptors on their historic achievement and bringing the 2019 NBA championship to the City of Toronto"

While it won't stop the hate I do hope that people realize that Golden State is a great franchise not just because of winning on the court, but also because of how the conduct themselves off the court.
 
Panzer ace said:
The Warriors get a lot of hate, mostly due to their success. As George can tell you via his experience with the Patriots it comes with the winning.

However, Golden State made an absolute class move by taking out a full-page ad in Monday's edition of the Toronto Star to congratulate the Toronto Raptors. It read:

"The Golden State Warriors congratulate the Toronto Raptors on their historic achievement and bringing the 2019 NBA championship to the City of Toronto"

While it won't stop the hate I do hope that people realize that Golden State is a great franchise not just because of winning on the court, but also because of how the conduct themselves off the court.
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I couldn’t agree more. They’re a very likable team.
 
The reason I don't like the move for the Lakers is that I have zero faith they'll surround these two tremendous talents with anything approaching a championship level roster. To me, the post Jerry Buss Lakers are very interested in accumulating stars, but they're not very interested in actually doing the things that translate to winning. I think we conflate those two ideas when we say it's a "star league" - yeah, of course you need stars, but no one's winning a championship without quality depth as well. We see role players stepping up every playoffs, like Fred Van Vleet this year or Kevon Looney or James Posey or Robert Horry or Ray Allen on the Heat. Those are the guys on the margins who often make up the difference in a tight playoff series.

The past couple of years of Pelinka moves (I mean, just look at the Muscala trade, or the Beasley signing, or letting Brook Lopez go for nothing, or signing Lance Stephenson, drafting Mo Wagner so high, Lonzo at 2, etc.) don't fill me up with confidence. He doesn't seem very detail-oriented and all of the articles about him paint him as a guy who doesn't listen to his basketball operations people. Will have the patience or skill to find guys, outside of Lebron and AD, who will match or overperform their contracts? Because they're going to need that out of players 3-8 on the roster if they're going to contend. And if he doesn't, and they fall short... how do they rebound next year with no draft picks to trade, no young players on cost-controlled contracts, and $80 million dedicated to two players?

If Jeannie Buss had fired Pelinka and hired, I don't know, David Griffin and he made this same trade, I'd be encouraged that they could actually maximize the AD/Lebron years. I just am pretty pessimistic that current regime will be able to leverage them correctly and that'll be a pretty disappointing waste of AD's prime and LeBron's last legs. Time will tell, of course.
 
Warrior said:
The reason I don't like the move for the Lakers is that I have zero faith they'll surround these two tremendous talents with anything approaching a championship level roster. To me, the post Jerry Buss Lakers are very interested in accumulating stars, but they're not very interested in actually doing the things that translate to winning. I think we conflate those two ideas when we say it's a "star league" - yeah, of course you need stars, but no one's winning a championship without quality depth as well. We see role players stepping up every playoffs, like Fred Van Vleet this year or Kevon Looney or James Posey or Robert Horry or Ray Allen on the Heat. Those are the guys on the margins who often make up the difference in a tight playoff series.

The past couple of years of Pelinka moves (I mean, just look at the Muscala trade, or the Beasley signing, or letting Brook Lopez go for nothing, or signing Lance Stephenson, drafting Mo Wagner so high, Lonzo at 2, etc.) don't fill me up with confidence. He doesn't seem very detail-oriented and all of the articles about him paint him as a guy who doesn't listen to his basketball operations people. Will have the patience or skill to find guys, outside of Lebron and AD, who will match or overperform their contracts? Because they're going to need that out of players 3-8 on the roster if they're going to contend. And if he doesn't, and they fall short... how do they rebound next year with no draft picks to trade, no young players on cost-controlled contracts, and $80 million dedicated to two players?

If Jeannie Buss had fired Pelinka and hired, I don't know, David Griffin and he made this same trade, I'd be encouraged that they could actually maximize the AD/Lebron years. I just am pretty pessimistic that current regime will be able to leverage them correctly and that'll be a pretty disappointing waste of AD's prime and LeBron's last legs. Time will tell, of course.
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George-

Great post. Basketball really is a team game. I get the fact that everyone would love to have LeBron James and Anthony Davis, but you need more than that. You need role players in your starting 5 and you need decent players on your bench, especially in this day and age of resting players every other night. The Lakers simply don't have that yet.

Also, before we crown Rob Pelinka the GM of the year let's see what he does when it comes to signing the supporting players. The AD deal fell into his lap, the next part won't be so easy.

-Jason
 
Warrior said:
The reason I don't like the move for the Lakers is that I have zero faith they'll surround these two tremendous talents with anything approaching a championship level roster. To me, the post Jerry Buss Lakers are very interested in accumulating stars, but they're not very interested in actually doing the things that translate to winning. I think we conflate those two ideas when we say it's a "star league" - yeah, of course you need stars, but no one's winning a championship without quality depth as well. We see role players stepping up every playoffs, like Fred Van Vleet this year or Kevon Looney or James Posey or Robert Horry or Ray Allen on the Heat. Those are the guys on the margins who often make up the difference in a tight playoff series.

The past couple of years of Pelinka moves (I mean, just look at the Muscala trade, or the Beasley signing, or letting Brook Lopez go for nothing, or signing Lance Stephenson, drafting Mo Wagner so high, Lonzo at 2, etc.) don't fill me up with confidence. He doesn't seem very detail-oriented and all of the articles about him paint him as a guy who doesn't listen to his basketball operations people. Will have the patience or skill to find guys, outside of Lebron and AD, who will match or overperform their contracts? Because they're going to need that out of players 3-8 on the roster if they're going to contend. And if he doesn't, and they fall short... how do they rebound next year with no draft picks to trade, no young players on cost-controlled contracts, and $80 million dedicated to two players?

If Jeannie Buss had fired Pelinka and hired, I don't know, David Griffin and he made this same trade, I'd be encouraged that they could actually maximize the AD/Lebron years. I just am pretty pessimistic that current regime will be able to leverage them correctly and that'll be a pretty disappointing waste of AD's prime and LeBron's last legs. Time will tell, of course.
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When the Lakers signed LeBron at his age they basically made a commitment to win now. His window of opportunity is just a couple of more years before he is over the hill. So they had no choice but to make a bold move instead of waiting for younger players to mature. They are hoping that a couple of star players with some type of minor supporting cast that they can cobble together will get it done. It might work assuming LeBron and AD stay healthy. A big risk though to put all your eggs in one basket. Sometimes boldness breeds success. Players may be more willing to sign with LA now that they are obviously throwing down the gauntlet for next season.
 
Combat said:
When the Lakers signed LeBron at his age they basically made a commitment to win now. His window of opportunity is just a couple of more years before he is over the hill. So they had no choice but to make a bold move instead of waiting for younger players to mature. They are hoping that a couple of star players with some type of minor supporting cast that they can cobble together will get it done. It might work assuming LeBron and AD stay healthy. A big risk though to put all your eggs in one basket. Sometimes boldness breeds success. Players may be more willing to sign with LA now that they are obviously throwing down the gauntlet for next season.
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Yup, it's now or never for the Lakers, they'll have a 1-3 year window, if they get a championship or two out of it, then it was worth it, then they'll go in the tank for 5 to 10 years.

Short term is what they are banking on.
 
this is the Laker's record the last 6 years...

37-45
35-47
26-56
17-65
21-61
27-55

I welcome any talent they have drafted or can draft...
spend the money...
 
According to ESPN, kawhi has requested to meet with jeanie and magic.

Looks like he's going to the Lakers.

When that happens, I'll be ignoring the NBA for the next 5 or so years.

What a rigged league, such a joke.

This is what now, the third super team LeBron has built?

Just awesome.

The NBA player I hate the most on the team I hate the most.

Perfect.
 
while I hope Kwahi does go to LA...
you shouldn't pay too much attention to those rumors...
the sport's writers need something to write about to keep you interested...

and if he does go there...
you might blame AD...
not LeBron...
AD waived his 4 million bonus to keep some cap available to get someone...
 
Warrior said:
According to ESPN, kawhi has requested to meet with jeanie and magic.

Looks like he's going to the Lakers.

When that happens, I'll be ignoring the NBA for the next 5 or so years.

What a rigged league, such a joke.

This is what now, the third super team LeBron has built?

Just awesome.

The NBA player I hate the most on the team I hate the most.

Perfect.
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Right there with you Chief! I hope Leonard stays put in Toronto where he might have an entire country pulling (I would say rooting but my Aussie friends tell me that has another meaning) for him.
 
After he meets with the West Coast teams, he will meet with the Raptors. I think he will stay with them on a short term deal.

KD will be talking to the Warriors, Knicks, Nets and Clippers.

It all starts this Sunday evening.
 
By all reports, KD will be signing with the Nets, not a move I was hoping for but there it is.
 
Warrior said:
According to ESPN, kawhi has requested to meet with jeanie and magic.

Looks like he's going to the Lakers.

When that happens, I'll be ignoring the NBA for the next 5 or so years.

What a rigged league, such a joke.

This is what now, the third super team LeBron has built?

Just awesome.

The NBA player I hate the most on the team I hate the most.

Perfect.
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I would be mildly surprised if that is the case. Magic is no longer affiliated with the team in any official capacity. Sounds like a slap to their GM who Magic had issues with but with whom Leonard would be working. Who knows though? I remember the "dream team" they put together in LA with Gary Payton and Karl Malone. That didn't work out so well. Tough time for your Celts. They are bleeding players. At least they are not the NY Knicks.
 
The NBA is a total joke of a league.

The Lakers were hot garbage, that ****head LeBron ends up there, they wheel and deal and by colluding, bring Davis and Leonard in and they'll rip off 4 or 5 titles in a row now, whoever survives in the East will get demolished in the finals.

How can anyone outside of Lakers fans be happy about that?

What a corrupt, garbage sport.

Embarrassing.
 
Combat said:
I would be mildly surprised if that is the case. Magic is no longer affiliated with the team in any official capacity. Sounds like a slap to their GM who Magic had issues with but with whom Leonard would be working. Who knows though? I remember the "dream team" they put together in LA with Gary Payton and Karl Malone. That didn't work out so well. Tough time for your Celts. They are bleeding players. At least they are not the NY Knicks.
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The Celtics had a nice window from about 2009 till 2012 with Garnett, Pierce and Ray Allen; they blew a chance to win two titles when Perkins went down with a blown out knee in game 6 in LA, they went on to lose game 7, then Garnett got hurt, they foolishly traded away Perkins and brought the corpse of Shack in and they went down the toilet.

I have no idea what their GM's long range plan is, they are like many teams in the NBA; good enough to make the playoffs, then they lose in the conference semi finals and that's that, they are stuck in that middle ground forever.

My sports interest lies in the NFL, NHL, MLB, college football, college basketball, then the NBA.

When the Celtics were winning titles with Bird in the 1980's it was fun, but basketball just never grabbed me like other sports did, mainly because it was the one sport growing up I never played competitively, I could care less if the Celtics win or lose, it's fun to watch playoff games, but I have virtually no skin in the NBA game.

If this Leonard thing goes down, I'm done completely for 4 or 5 years, who cares, I have zero interest in seeing that ****head LeBron preen around as the "champ"; he was, is and always will be a crybaby chump to me, a petulant two year old that when he does not get his way, he bolts to the next thing like he did with Cleveland, Miami and Cleveland again (how anyone in Cleveland has an ounce of respect for him is beyond my comprehension).

So he goes to LA, wines and dines two superstars to join him and bingo, presto, four or five titles.

Color me unimpressed, he could win 30 titles and to me, he's still a ****head who could never carry Jordan's jock strap.
 
Warrior said:
The NBA is a total joke of a league.

The Lakers were hot garbage, that ****head LeBron ends up there, they wheel and deal and by colluding, bring Davis and Leonard in and they'll rip off 4 or 5 titles in a row now, whoever survives in the East will get demolished in the finals.

How can anyone outside of Lakers fans be happy about that?

What a corrupt, garbage sport.

Embarrassing.
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George...
don't worry...
they Lakers won't ever come back to haunt you or the East...

the league will probably step in and squash the Lakers like they did in 2011...

when they worked a deal with the league owned New Orlean's Hornets for Chris Paul...
that was agreed on by both teams...
and at the last minute...
vetoed by the NBA and David Stern...
at the request of angry NBA team owners...

how can anyone but a Laker's hater be happy about that?
definitely corrupt...
 
Look out for the Brooklyn Nets!
Knicks just can't get it right but they continue to fill the arena with corporate sponsors.
 
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