Need some opinions on figarti! (4 Viewers)

[jazzeum]

I frankly think the K & C figures always look as good as they do because Andy knew from his military background how a soldier should look. The correct pose is not necessarily influenced by design abilities.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

I think everyone will have pro's and con's for any given product out there.Thankfully
there are more than several manufacturers who make quality products.It then comes
down to the individual's own taste for which brands or products they favor for whatever the reason. This gives all of us collectors the right to pick and choose !!!!
Thanks to the growth of the hobby the manufacturing base continues to grow and grow. This only benefits ALL OF US !!!!

 

[Mitch]

I am constantly amazed at some of the comments that derive from this hobby but, that one has tickled me.

I may be wrong but, its like saying you cannot create a barrister figure or policeman figure unless you have been one. what a lot of tosh that comment is IMO.

Are you or they stating Figarti poses are ridiculous as Rick may not have served? what about TG, HB just for an example one of the most frequent things I have seen are supportive comments about the realism of poses. I have stated in terms of Figarti sculpts that the problem is rather large arms and the like so, a disparity of human realism not, poses which, I have said are very good IMO.

Does playing japs and commando's count as a little kid in helping make real good figures?? I will have to respectfully disagree that it makes any difference whatsoever and, many people on here with no military experience or, running around re-enacting could design a realistic military figure I know I could. I certainly don't think its rocket science.
Mitch

Mitch,

Its funny that you should take the position that it doesn't matter whether a manufacturer has military experience when it comes to sculpting, because the three major Toy Soldier Manufacturers I have discussed the issue with would all disagree with you. Andy Neilson, John Jenkins and, just two weekends ago, Ken Osen, three of the most successful toy soldier manufacturers in the industry, have all stated to me that one of the biggest problem for toy soldier manufacturers without military experience, or at least re-enactment experience, is the ridiculous poses they sculpt their figures in, because they just don't understand how the weapons in question are handled. Ken actually put himself in an uncomfortable position to demonstrate how these sculptors, not familiar with firearms, sometimes sculpt soldiers in the standing firing position. Ken's point made sense to me, because, frankly, if you aren't familiar with the weight and heft of certain weapons, you won't necessarily understand how a soldier carrying or using said weapon has to stand or brace himself.

Rick Wang of Figarti pointed this deficiency out to me years ago, using one of his early Japanese troops firing a knee mortar as an example. The sculptor, unfamiliar with a knee mortar, assumed from the name that you braced it against your knee. It was only after the figure had been released that a retired soldier informed him that had the knee mortar been braced against the soldier's knee, his leg would have been broken.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch,

Rick Wang of Figarti pointed this deficiency out to me years ago, using one of his early Japanese troops firing a knee mortar as an example. The sculptor, unfamiliar with a knee mortar, assumed from the name that you braced it against your knee. It was only after the figure had been released that a retired soldier informed him that had the knee mortar been braced against the soldier's knee, his leg would have been broken.

I have just seen this bit but, this is more a case of poor communication and not telling the sculptor or painter exactly what is required. I have heard many tails where where errors are copied verbatem by the makers and painters of designs.

I find it stupid what it boils down to is all the non military background makers doing great sets have winged it or are a fluke.
Mitch

 

[Mitch]

I am also amazed at how nearly every thread always ends up about K&C. Andy may be a former soldier but, this has not stopped many many errors in weapon size accuracy detail in sets which you have heavily contributed on so, with respect where does the ex military help there.

The argument that ex military is the only or is a distinct assistance is a fallacy and it goes for the other manufacturers with military expertise they have all made errors. seems to work only when one wants it to work and not all times. if this is the case then Andy should not do warbirds as he is not a pilot of them in war time!!!!
Mitch

I frankly think the K & C figures always look as good as they do because Andy knew from his military background how a soldier should look. The correct pose is not necessarily influenced by design abilities.

 

[Jackaroo]

This has been a great discussion and thread and conducted in a convivial tone. Many wiser folk than I have shared their opinions on Figarti. I for one, enjoy their AFV’s and figures and look forward to future installments. Alby

 

[Louis Badolato]

I am constantly amazed at some of the comments that derive from this hobby but, that one has tickled me.

I may be wrong but, its like saying you cannot create a barrister figure or policeman figure unless you have been one. what a lot of tosh that comment is IMO.

Are you or they stating Figarti poses are ridiculous as Rick may not have served? what about TG, HB just for an example one of the most frequent things I have seen are supportive comments about the realism of poses. I have stated in terms of Figarti sculpts that the problem is rather large arms and the like so, a disparity of human realism not, poses which, I have said are very good IMO.

Does playing japs and commando's count as a little kid in helping make real good figures?? I will have to respectfully disagree that it makes any difference whatsoever and, many people on here with no military experience or, running around re-enacting could design a realistic military figure I know I could. I certainly don't think its rocket science.
Mitch

Mitch,

I may not always agree with what other people post, but I al least try not to be disrespectful about it. I didn't call your post "tosh", despite the fact that I strongly disagree with it.

The simple fact of the matter is that Andy, Ken and Rick have all made this point, and it makes perfect logical sense if you think about it. Unless you have actually humped a .30 caliber machine gun while under fire, or at least have watched someone else do it, you may not be able to capture the exact poses of the soldiers doing it.

I would not presume to know these exact poses, because I am one of the very lucky people who have never heard a shot fired in anger. On the other hand, I might not presume to call the opinions of several of the most successful toy soldier manufacturers "tosh" either just because these opinions doesn't fit with my preconceived notions.

 

[jazzeum]

The argument that ex military is the only or is a distinct assistance is a fallacy and it goes for the other manufacturers with military expertise they have all made errors.

I am sure you have some proof for this statement that it's a fallacy or is that just your opinion :wink2:

 

[Vezzolf]

After reading these posts I must concur with Mitch...Although a military background might be helpful in being a toy soldier manufacturer it is certainly "Not Necessary" to produce the highest quality toy soldier products....This is an "art form" not a military science. The artistic ability and knowledge required to produce good sculpts and painting of toy soldiers certainly does not require that the artist had at one time in his or her life carried a weapon....Did any toy soldier manufacturers do battle in the Civil War, Revolutionary War or the Crusades...I don't think so:rolleyes2:...To suggest this is a significant factor is a stretch at best and a bit silly... IMO

 

[Firebat]

I still say the proof is in the pictures........ Really digest BSP's scenes, or anyone else's. You know deep down inside what looks good and what does not.

When Nick and I are reviewing a scene we did, we always make a comment on how the particular figures played to the camera, and we always agree.

I will not voice my opinion here, due to the fear of starting WWIII. But after all of the scenes we have done, and after digesting them over and over again. It all came to us, we didn't have to look for it.....You would be surprised whose figures Nick and I think are the overall best, all things considered.

Not that what we think matters, but it is based on working with various figures over and over again, in many different venues. Alex



This is just another scene for that new member to digest. This is of course all Figarti. And does not reflect any BSP preference.

 

[Vezzolf]

The proof is in the pictures, as long as the pictures accurately depict the product in the flesh.:wink2:....Sometimes that's the key issue and unfortunately is not always the case

 

[Firebat]

The proof is in the pictures, as long as the pictures accurately depict the product in the flesh.:wink2:....Sometimes that's the key issue and unfortunately is not always the case

If you are suggesting altering pictures I agree....The pics we presented here were natural and clear. And once again we are not suggesting a preference for Figarti. We were responding to the subject matter of the thread.

Alex

 

[johngambale]

:rolleyes2: Hello Rick! Your Toy Products are GREAT, but the size is TOO SMALL You have to go to your China Factories/Manufacture's, and Re-Vamp ,on the Size of aLL you ARMOR/FIGURE'S/Vehicle's and Artillery! Beef Up the soldier Figure's! They NEED there Cereal/Oats, in the Morning! CIAO!

 

[RWFigarti]

:rolleyes2: Hello Rick! Your Toy Products are GREAT, but the size is TOO SMALL You have to go to your China Factories/Manufacture's, and Re-Vamp ,on the Size of aLL you ARMOR/FIGURE'S/Vehicle's and Artillery! Beef Up the soldier Figure's! They NEED there Cereal/Oats, in the Morning! CIAO!

Hi John,

This is interesting because when we were feeding the figures Cereal/Oats couple of years ago, we were told they wee too fat/big/chunky. Let me look over this with my team and we'll assess the size issue. Thanks for the comments.

Rick
RWFigarti

 

[noli-poli]

I still say the proof is in the pictures........ Really digest BSP's scenes, or anyone else's. You know deep down inside what looks good and what does not.

When Nick and I are reviewing a scene we did, we always make a comment on how the particular figures played to the camera, and we always agree.

I will not voice my opinion here, due to the fear of starting WWIII. But after all of the scenes we have done, and after digesting them over and over again. It all came to us, we didn't have to look for it.....You would be surprised whose figures Nick and I think are the overall best, all things considered.

Not that what we think matters, but it is based on working with various figures over and over again, in many different venues. Alex



This is just another scene for that new member to digest. This is of course all Figarti. And does not reflect any BSP preference.

Another great diodrama Alex!
To your point, beauty is to the eye of the beholder. In my opinion KC, Figarti, Thomas Gunn are all doing great service to to collectors by offering variety.
N-P

 

[Currahee Chris]

BRADLEY!!:tongue:

 

[Mitch]

Louis...

The word tosh was not aimed at your post or you just the statement that was given from what you have said are the main players or similar as if that means what they say is gospel or written in stone., I have in the past allegedly made so called disrespectful comments usually in reply to comments made about me but, I speak my mind and, I have to say that was this disrespectful to you then in the current climate, the mods would have been all over it.

My apologies, should you have thought this was the case but, I don't serepticiously implant comments tosh is what I think of the statement that was made in relation to making military miniatures correctly only with a military background or re-enactor and tosh is still what I think of it.

Jazzeum...

It needs no proof for it to be a fallacy those who have stated this have to prove this to be so from such a bold, and, in my opinion, reckless statement. Many very good toy soldiers which are very accurate are being produced and have been by non military personal. You show me proof of this, as your statement that this is what makes K&C figures different is just as requirng proof, rather than asking for me to disprove. I do see that nobody, now asking me to prove or otherwise, has wanted to comment on the inacuracies militarily from some of the manufacturers mentioned??

Mitch

Mitch,

I may not always agree with what other people post, but I al least try not to be disrespectful about it. I didn't call your post "tosh", despite the fact that I strongly disagree with it.

The simple fact of the matter is that Andy, Ken and Rick have all made this point, and it makes perfect logical sense if you think about it. Unless you have actually humped a .30 caliber machine gun while under fire, or at least have watched someone else do it, you may not be able to capture the exact poses of the soldiers doing it.

I would not presume to know these exact poses, because I am one of the very lucky people who have never heard a shot fired in anger. On the other hand, I might not presume to call the opinions of several of the most successful toy soldier manufacturers "tosh" either just because these opinions doesn't fit with my preconceived notions.

 

[gk5717]

:rolleyes2: Hello Rick! Your Toy Products are GREAT, but the size is TOO SMALL You have to go to your China Factories/Manufacture's, and Re-Vamp ,on the Size of aLL you ARMOR/FIGURE'S/Vehicle's and Artillery! Beef Up the soldier Figure's! They NEED there Cereal/Oats, in the Morning! CIAO!

John has cleared up this controversy, the rest is all posh!
Gary

 

[wayne556517]

John has cleared up this controversy, the rest is all posh!
Gary

Yep this thread is over.........................^&grin

 

[Firebat]

One final suggestion....... Stay tuned to THE GREAT CRUSADE..... I think that the VERY EXTENSIVE combining of figures we will be doing in our presentation, will be of great service to the veteran and rookie collector alike.


If you have any questions or suggestions as we proceed, feel free to ask. Happy Collecting and Diorama Building. Alex


FIGARTI figures Skinny ? ? ?

A shot from a future Episode of THE GREAT CRUSADE