New release: Tiger e afrika an otsn debut (3 Viewers)
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yes I noticed the inaccurate center headlight on this Tiger as well but did not see the monocular gunsight which you pointed out. I like this Tiger and the excellent paint job but will be thinking very hard because of those two "minor" issues.
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Why dont we as collectors refuse to buy anything until they get this size thing right, I bet they will fix it in a hurry. Anything is possible, we the collectors have the power. I do commend TCS for giving us something that works with the mainstream 1/30th soldier.
And on the other end it looks like Figarti is squeezing down to fit with FL.
So why dont we maybe have two factions:
THE SCALE GUYS...... FL size everything in proportion ( And don't deny this concept is growing )
THE TRUE COLLECTORS..... Biger Figures with smaller vehicles like it is mostly is now
They would have a big summit meeting in England get it straight and start producing.
A manufacturer would fit into one or another.
Well I can dream cant I :wink2:
Hey Mitch. First week of november is what I was tolled by Brian. Thant's on both tigers.
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Why dont we as collectors refuse to buy anything until they get this size thing right, I bet they will fix it in a hurry. Anything is possible, we the collectors have the power. I do commend TCS for giving us something that works with the mainstream 1/30th soldier.
And on the other end it looks like Figarti is squeezing down to fit with FL.
So why dont we maybe have two factions:
THE SCALE GUYS...... FL size everything in proportion ( And don't deny this concept is growing )
THE TRUE COLLECTORS..... Biger Figures with smaller vehicles like it is mostly is now
They would have a big summit meeting in England get it straight and start producing.
A manufacturer would fit into one or another.
Well I can dream cant I :wink2:
WOW, it appears that I'm not a 'Scale Guy' as I'm not convinced that FL have got their Figure/AFV mix correct as far as scale is concerned.
And I'm not a 'True Collector' as I'm not keen on mixing small vehicles with larger figures (hate those tiny TMG vehicles), what will I do, I can't take it anymore Captain {eek3} ^&grin
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Yes sir eee Bob, Figarti made the command strategic decision to go from K&C 1/30 AFV scale to FL 1/30 AFV scale :rolleyes2:
I COMMEND THEM FOR THEIR BOLD ACTION AND GUSTO!!{sm4}
THE TOY SOLDIER WORLD IS QUAKING I TELL YOU!!!
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Has Figarti actually changed their size in order to fit with FL?? I am not so sure on that one. They have always had smaller figures than the others its been one of the two issues I have always had with their figures the other being painting style. In that respect I have to say that they have remained quite consistant in size and style.... the figarti way!!!
There seems to me anyway no sudden change to become in line with FL and, one could say in line with what? FL have played around with size and changed size a few times over their period in manufacturing. Its something I have seen in their ranges and, if one reads the threads that some of their heavy buying collectors have mentioned.
If we measure some of the releases across the board most are in terms of AFV's hitting 1/30th scale most of the latest releases are so, why the confusion still is a mystery to me. CS as this is their thread have played semantics with the scale issue and made larger AFV's to match their figures but, instead of saying right we are matching up to the larger size that collectors want in the hobby they played around with the 1/30th true blue issue. we went down this road and many showed they were not, especially, in the last Tiger thread. I would think thats why all we got in terms of size and scale from Brian this time was that the Tiger sized the same as the last releases!!!
I am also not sure these defined catagories for those in the hobby mentioned work either. What is a true collector and what is a model or scale guy?? I would have to say that I would fall into both catagories easily in that I demand accuracy in detail and scale and, think that I am a collector also. Not sure what the ''true'' part means so, I will opt out of that part.
Stopping buying... well, I have heard that many times and, its never ever going to happen. why would you stop buying sets you like? I was once told from a member that a manufacturer had told him that there were only a handful of people that knew what they were talking about in terms of detail, accuracy and scale stuff like that and the rest were just happy with a nice looking set and, did not really care whether the (as where on Tigers) there was a monocular gun sight correct turret cupula or, lights in the correct place for the Ausf offered. I now see that from my time here its very true as people are still buying and by the looks, quite a lot.
Its simple it just has to be what it says on the box if its not its wrong and probably breaching some trade description legislation. Mind, it would be interesting to see an action by someone alledging it clearly states 1/30th on the box but, is in fact 1/28th!!!
I remember the britfarmer saying that some threads became monotonous after a while and, thinking how could that be but, although I still enjoy reading them I see what he meant. It really is black and white 1/30th is not open for interpretation or discussion its an objective measurement that bases itself on the length of a gun which is fact or an AFV which is fact and therefore is easy to attain.
Well, thats my opinion as a model, collector, diorama maker, painter scale guy, or whatever other banner we are placing ourselves under today!!!
Mitch
There seems to me anyway no sudden change to become in line with FL and, one could say in line with what? FL have played around with size and changed size a few times over their period in manufacturing. Its something I have seen in their ranges and, if one reads the threads that some of their heavy buying collectors have mentioned.
If we measure some of the releases across the board most are in terms of AFV's hitting 1/30th scale most of the latest releases are so, why the confusion still is a mystery to me. CS as this is their thread have played semantics with the scale issue and made larger AFV's to match their figures but, instead of saying right we are matching up to the larger size that collectors want in the hobby they played around with the 1/30th true blue issue. we went down this road and many showed they were not, especially, in the last Tiger thread. I would think thats why all we got in terms of size and scale from Brian this time was that the Tiger sized the same as the last releases!!!
I am also not sure these defined catagories for those in the hobby mentioned work either. What is a true collector and what is a model or scale guy?? I would have to say that I would fall into both catagories easily in that I demand accuracy in detail and scale and, think that I am a collector also. Not sure what the ''true'' part means so, I will opt out of that part.
Stopping buying... well, I have heard that many times and, its never ever going to happen. why would you stop buying sets you like? I was once told from a member that a manufacturer had told him that there were only a handful of people that knew what they were talking about in terms of detail, accuracy and scale stuff like that and the rest were just happy with a nice looking set and, did not really care whether the (as where on Tigers) there was a monocular gun sight correct turret cupula or, lights in the correct place for the Ausf offered. I now see that from my time here its very true as people are still buying and by the looks, quite a lot.
Its simple it just has to be what it says on the box if its not its wrong and probably breaching some trade description legislation. Mind, it would be interesting to see an action by someone alledging it clearly states 1/30th on the box but, is in fact 1/28th!!!
I remember the britfarmer saying that some threads became monotonous after a while and, thinking how could that be but, although I still enjoy reading them I see what he meant. It really is black and white 1/30th is not open for interpretation or discussion its an objective measurement that bases itself on the length of a gun which is fact or an AFV which is fact and therefore is easy to attain.
Well, thats my opinion as a model, collector, diorama maker, painter scale guy, or whatever other banner we are placing ourselves under today!!!
Mitch
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Not sure why you ask when you really know the answer. Its absolutely not. A Tiger, sherman, panther Panzerfaust hand grenade are the same size no matter who makes it. The same with a MG42 it will always be 44 inches but, look at the really undersized MG42's that have been released of late!!
Weapons are absolute of that there is no uncertainty. Thus there is no latitude for any error if you make a scale then its really rather simple. The only thing that is surprising is that scale has been debated on this forum and by the same people from almost day one
Mitch
QUOTE=Firebat;530176]Her is what puzzles me is scale really open to interpretation...is not scale an absolute given. Alex[/QUOTE]
Weapons are absolute of that there is no uncertainty. Thus there is no latitude for any error if you make a scale then its really rather simple. The only thing that is surprising is that scale has been debated on this forum and by the same people from almost day one
Mitch
QUOTE=Firebat;530176]Her is what puzzles me is scale really open to interpretation...is not scale an absolute given. Alex[/QUOTE]
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You answered my obvious question, so why do we have size differences within the same scale then. You and I are on the same team as far as demanding exactness and realism in this hobby, yet I detect a hostility in your response. Why do you back down on these important issues. I dont understand. I fight for what I want to see in this hobby you always say it cant be done.
There are way more ridiculous conversations on this forum regarding other topics that are tolerated.
To me and others this is important, because it is irritating when you want to set up a scene with products from various manufacturers, that you paid a lot of money for, and you find you cant.
You have a lot of knowledge regarding this hobby and you have a lot to say, but often I dont understand where you are coming from. Alex
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Yes indeed, 1/30 scale = 1" for every 30" of measure. Anything outside of those parameters would be not to scale
Why dont we as collectors refuse to buy anything until they get this size thing right, I bet they will fix it in a hurry. Anything is possible, we the collectors have the power. I do commend TCS for giving us something that works with the mainstream 1/30th soldier.
And on the other end it looks like Figarti is squeezing down to fit with FL.
So why dont we maybe have two factions:
THE SCALE GUYS...... FL size everything in proportion ( And don't deny this concept is growing )
THE TRUE COLLECTORS..... Biger Figures with smaller vehicles like it is mostly is now
They would have a big summit meeting in England get it straight and start producing.
A manufacturer would fit into one or another.
Well I can dream cant I :wink2:
Excellent Post{sm4}{sm4}....Figarti is definitely moving towards "true 1:30th"....while CS is moving towards 1:28th scale AFV's to match their own and K/C oversized figures figures at 1:28th......Figarti 1:30 matches fairly close to FL 1:30th....
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Because scale does matter....especially when you are trying to mix or match different manufacturers products in a diorama....It would be great if scale was consistent across the hobby or at least within a manufacturers product line.
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Have to agree with Mitch in that I don't think Figarti have changed scale to fit with Fl more like wishful thinking
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All the stupid stuff everyone else talks about.................
Interesting topics like, what is your next purchase, look at what I just bought, what do you collect, I hate this, I like that, ETC...ETC.......ETC.......
At least we have a legtitmate topic, which is a valid concern in growing our hobby. Alex
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I wonder how many really care about scale to the extent that you do. I'm sure there is a small passionate group that do but how many otherwise. As with most things, there's probably a group that cares somewhat, some that don't give a darn and roll their eyes when they see the subject come up for the umpteenth time and those who are passionate about it.
As for the things that you call the stupid things, these are the things that people like to talk about: what others are doing, seeing what's coming out, what people might be reading, movies they're watching and how their are teams are doing. In other words, the little things that keep a forum going. It might not be a bad idea to get involved in the rest of the Forum to see what it has to offer.
As for the things that you call the stupid things, these are the things that people like to talk about: what others are doing, seeing what's coming out, what people might be reading, movies they're watching and how their are teams are doing. In other words, the little things that keep a forum going. It might not be a bad idea to get involved in the rest of the Forum to see what it has to offer.
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Without simple topics for conversation the forum would get slowed down and boring. Informative threads along
with the simple chatting amongst fellow collectors about who is buying or doing what are all part of the mix
Or for those who chose not to participate so be it. ^&cool
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Alex...
No hostility at all within my post was aimed at you. I was just saying that I remember a comment in forum from the britfarmer about scale and detail very early on when I joined and it stuck with me. Brad is right and hits what I mean to a point. Very few I would venture give a monkies if the scale is wrong or, various details are incorrect as they either do not understand enough to notice or, really just don't care and want an image of the AFV or figure in mind. I think this is quite true as if it were not then everyone would be stricter to accuracy and scale than they are.
Are there stupid threads I would think so but, its a personal thing some will think these are stupid and they do some think toy soldiers alive was or, dispatches threads annoys several your always going to get that on such a forum where a lot of people want to talk. Thats the nature of the beast.
I don't back down from anything I just think that we all know the lip service that is paid to detail and scale by some and, this will not change. There are also some points about scale you state that I just don't agree with like CS enlarging their stuff to come in line with mainstream 1/30th you mentioned in the K&C thread to someone or other!! I also don't think there are such distinct divisions within the hobby as collectors scale people and detail people just as I said some know more about the stuff than others and some just don't care.
You often talk as if FL and figarti are the only ones doing 1/30th as if they should get a prize!! well, K&C have also been doing 1/30th in AFV's for a while now and most are nigh enough exact. We run this all the time but, in reality only the figures of K&C are a different scale and, why is that? Because collectors on the whole want them
that way so, why would the manufacturers change now?
This is why there is not a huge drift from the manufacturers that do larger figures to FL and Figarti not many want smaller figures. I know that so, its a waste of time trying to get the manufacturers to change IMO as they are not going to as this would kill their sales.
Mitch
No hostility at all within my post was aimed at you. I was just saying that I remember a comment in forum from the britfarmer about scale and detail very early on when I joined and it stuck with me. Brad is right and hits what I mean to a point. Very few I would venture give a monkies if the scale is wrong or, various details are incorrect as they either do not understand enough to notice or, really just don't care and want an image of the AFV or figure in mind. I think this is quite true as if it were not then everyone would be stricter to accuracy and scale than they are.
Are there stupid threads I would think so but, its a personal thing some will think these are stupid and they do some think toy soldiers alive was or, dispatches threads annoys several your always going to get that on such a forum where a lot of people want to talk. Thats the nature of the beast.
I don't back down from anything I just think that we all know the lip service that is paid to detail and scale by some and, this will not change. There are also some points about scale you state that I just don't agree with like CS enlarging their stuff to come in line with mainstream 1/30th you mentioned in the K&C thread to someone or other!! I also don't think there are such distinct divisions within the hobby as collectors scale people and detail people just as I said some know more about the stuff than others and some just don't care.
You often talk as if FL and figarti are the only ones doing 1/30th as if they should get a prize!! well, K&C have also been doing 1/30th in AFV's for a while now and most are nigh enough exact. We run this all the time but, in reality only the figures of K&C are a different scale and, why is that? Because collectors on the whole want them
that way so, why would the manufacturers change now?
This is why there is not a huge drift from the manufacturers that do larger figures to FL and Figarti not many want smaller figures. I know that so, its a waste of time trying to get the manufacturers to change IMO as they are not going to as this would kill their sales.
Mitch
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I wish I had time to get involved with the rest of the forum just to chat, but I dont have the time. I am too busy working hard to help move our hobby into new and exciting directions through Battle Scenes Productions, which has become a vehicle that carries the word of our hobby and our Veterans into Museums, Schools, Historical Orginizations, Magazines, the 1/35th scale world, and other media.
I come here to get and give meaningful information, then I take that knowledge and do something with it, not just talk about it.
Mitch
K&C is the King of this hobby, why should they change, they probably shouldnt and continue to be the mainstay of the hobby.
But I love that TGM, Figarti, TCS, JJD and FL have shown innovation and have tried new ideas, that is what I like and support, as do many others. It is refreshing and they are the companies who will move the future of this industry, they are the companies who will listen to the collector they give the hope for this hobby to be what many think it should be. Alex
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