New release: Tiger e afrika an otsn debut (4 Viewers)

[OzDigger]

Brad, why wouldn't Detail and Scale be important topics on a forum for collectors of Toys Soldiers/Military Miniatures. I don't know how many are interested, but does that really matter.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Jazz

I wish I had time to get involved with the rest of the forum just to chat, but I dont have the time. I am too busy working hard to help move our hobby into new and exciting directions through Battle Scenes Productions, which has become a vehicle that carries the word of our hobby and our Veterans into Museums, Schools, Historical Orginizations, Magazines, the 1/35th scale world, and other media.

I come here to get and give meaningful information, then I take that knowledge and do something with it, not just talk about it.

Mitch

K&C is the King of this hobby, why should they change, they probably shouldnt and continue to be the mainstay of the hobby.

But I love that TGM, Figarti, TCS, JJD and FL have shown innovation and have tried new ideas, that is what I like and support, as do many others. It is refreshing and they are the companies who will move the future of this industry, they are the companies who will listen to the collector they give the hope for this hobby to be what many think it should be. Alex

Alex,
Firstly on behalf of all manufacturers, dealers and collectors may I express our gratitude for carrying the word of our hobby throughout so many other areas.

I hope you wont mind me expressing an opinion on your comment to Mitch. You note that K&C continue to be the mainstay of the hobby. Then you name five brands, not including K&C and Britains, that have shown innovation, have tried new ideas and are moving the future of the hobby and listen to the collectors. I have no argument with your comments as they relate to those five brands who have indeed all contributed to the hobby.

I am guessing Britains does not get a mention simply because they do not concentrate on WWII which is your area of interest. Just on Britains I am predicting that when their Titanic items come out soon many new potential collectors will discover their range of TS's and perhaps other brands as well. I say this becuase I know what a huge fan base exists for all things Titanic.

I find it hard to understand how K&C could be the mainstay of the hobby without showing innovation, trying new ideas or listening to collectors. Anybody looking at your many dioramas can not help but note K&C figures and vehicles feature quite a lot. I would suggest the success of K&C in some way encouraged the other brands to start up.

I am not making the point that K&C is better than any of the brands you mention but simply noting that they do deserve some credit for what they have also contributed to the hobby and continue to do so.

Just my opinion.

Regards
Brett
PS You might be interested to know that next year TS's will be featuring in a permanent Government funded display in a Queensland Lighthorse Museum through which 165 schools will be going through and also in an exhibition on collecting in the Queensland Museum.

 

[Vezzolf]

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All the stupid stuff everyone else talks about.................

Interesting topics like, what is your next purchase, look at what I just bought, what do you collect, I hate this, I like that, ETC...ETC.......ETC.......


At least we have a legtitmate topic, which is a valid concern in growing our hobby. Alex

The issue of scale is a very important issue in this hobby and has been largely ignored by manufacturers who have tried to conform to the K/C method........Please STOP CALLING 1:28TH SCALE FIGURES 1:30TH..... I am glad that CS is producing larger (1:30th:wink2 1:28th AFV's to go with the 1:28th scale figures both they and K/C and others produce .......It is a step in the right direction and at least it shows a desire to correct long standing ERROR....Now just label it accurately^&cool.......It also seems to me that a manufacturer should at least be consistent within their own product line.....First Legion has always done this from day one and lately I have noticed Figarti figures to be alot closer to "true 1:30th".....Also I see Figarti AFV's are matching quite well in scale and style with First Legion products especially lately...Again good for the hobby....E-nuff said

 

[wwiibuff]

Since this is a subject that I believe to be of interest to many collectors, I thought I would show an example of how I determine figure scale. I first establish that maybe the average height of a soldier is 5' 10" (I know that some might have been 6' 8" or 5' 4" and so on, but to me 5' 10" is reasonable for an average). This 5' 10" would be from the bottom of his feet to the top of his head. If he's wearing a helmet or cap, then I estimate where the top of his head would be under the helmet/cap. So if he's on a base, I don't start at the bottom of the base, I start at the bottom of his feet and likewise I don't stop at the top of his helmet/hat, but where I estimate the top of his head would be. Also, I try and find a figure that is standing up straight. It's real easy to figure. 5' 10" is a total of 70". So you just take 70" divided by the height of the figure to get scale. For example, if the soldier measures 2.00" tall then he is exactly 1/35 scale (70/2.00 = 35 or 1/35). If a soldier is 2.50" tall then he is exactly 1/28 scale (70/2.50 = 28 or 1/28 scale).

Here is a line of 11 figures from varying makers going from left to right in the photo.

1.) Tamiya US Infantry measured at 2.00" = 1/35.00 scale

2.) FOV Russian Tanker measured at 2.13" = 1/32.86 scale

3.) Figarti British Desert Tanker (from 1/32 line) measured at 2.19" = 1/31.96 scale

4.) Corgi US Marine Pilot measured at 2.19" = 1/31.96 scale

5.) First Legion tanker measured at 2.31" = 1/30.30 scale

6.) Figarti Farmer (from 1/30 line) measured at 2.41" = 1/29.05 scale

7.) Honour Bound German Tanker measured at 2.44" = 1/28.69 scale

8.) W. Britains US Paratrooper measured at 2.31" = 1/30.30 scale

9.) K&C Luftwaffe Pilot measured at 2.50" = 1/28.00 scale

10.) K&C Afrika Korp measured at 2.53" = 1/27.67 scale

11.) Collector's Showcase US Infantry measured at 2.50" = 1/28.00 scale

These I measured to the best of my ability and I went ahead and showed each out to the nearest hundreth decimal just for info knowing that this is not an exact science but I wanted my estimate to be reflected, they could of course just be rounded off. Of course this is just a small sample of the many thousands of figures out there, but to me does give an indication of where some of the manufacturers are in relation to scale.

Please all who read this post, I am not trying to condem or validate anything or anyone I'm just showing how I consider the way my collection scales out. This is my opinion and experiment and you may or may not agree with it, but I thought it would be of some interest to many of you.

 

[jazzeum]

Brad, why wouldn't Detail and Scale be important topics on a forum for collectors of Toys Soldiers/Military Miniatures. I don't know how many are interested, but does that really matter.

Matt,

I think you've answered your own question although I never said, or implied (or meant to imply) anything about detail.

Brad

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Duke, great job on the scale comparison chart. Really simplifies things for everyone wishing to compare scales and
Different brands. {bravo}}

 

[Firebat]

Alex,
Firstly on behalf of all manufacturers, dealers and collectors may I express our gratitude for carrying the word of our hobby throughout so many other areas.

I hope you wont mind me expressing an opinion on your comment to Mitch. You note that K&C continue to be the mainstay of the hobby. Then you name five brands, not including K&C and Britains, that have shown innovation, have tried new ideas and are moving the future of the hobby and listen to the collectors. I have no argument with your comments as they relate to those five brands who have indeed all contributed to the hobby.

I am guessing Britains does not get a mention simply because they do not concentrate on WWII which is your area of interest. Just on Britains I am predicting that when their Titanic items come out soon many new potential collectors will discover their range of TS's and perhaps other brands as well. I say this becuase I know what a huge fan base exists for all things Titanic.

I find it hard to understand how K&C could be the mainstay of the hobby without showing innovation, trying new ideas or listening to collectors. Anybody looking at your many dioramas can not help but note K&C figures and vehicles feature quite a lot. I would suggest the success of K&C in some way encouraged the other brands to start up.

I am not making the point that K&C is better than any of the brands you mention but simply noting that they do deserve some credit for what they have also contributed to the hobby and continue to do so.

Just my opinion.

Regards
Brett
PS You might be interested to know that next year TS's will be featuring in a permanent Government funded display in a Queensland Lighthorse Museum through which 165 schools will be going through and also in an exhibition on collecting in the Queensland Museum.

I agree K&C has played a huge part in this this hobby and they deserve their due credit, I said they are the kings, but times are changing and I like where other companies are going. I don't like that they started in a way that makes the figures bigger than the vehicles. In my early days in this hobby I dealt with it. But I am having difficulty with that concept now and the oversized guns on most of their figures bother me also.

But All of the manufacturers have screwed up stuff, I just feel as though some are starting to hear us and are slowly starting to respond.

K&C has a quality product and they are very unlikely to change their winning formula, so I dont press the issue with them, but I do with other manufacturers.

Thanks Andy for what you have done to put this hobby on the map.

OH I like Britains, but they dont do much WWII stuff, I do have a lot of their ACW and Richard Walker is a great guy.

Yes we have done many K&C scenes, but as I said my tolerance has changed regarding certain aspects of this hobby. You will see who we favor by the future work we do.


This is just my humble opinion and it is my right of free speach to take a course that pleases me in this hobby. Alex

 

[Mitch]

The issue is figure size. This hobby tells us its 1/30th but, we know CS, K&C and TG are larger than that. The former is the only one who has tried to address certain voices that there should be compatability. However, they have thought it better to increase armour size and say its still 1/30th than the simpler and easier route and reduce the figure size. Why not just say its all 1/28th from here??

What this has done is add further to the confusion especially when you get comments like I am the manufacturer and I am right when clearly the measurements for a AFV are set in stone so, to speak tell a different story.

Its no good really talking about figures and AFV's together when only one is really the issue. Most K&C I have measured from 2007 with the release of the tunisian tiger is 1/30th so, compatable with other 1/30th makes. The figures are the issue for some and focus should be on them and who makes them bringing armour in (apart from CS's) does not really help much IMO
Mitch

 

[sammy719]

TCS Presents TIGER E: North Afrika, An OTSN Show Debut!​

TCS has just finished production on our brand new 1/30th scale Tiger E. The same scale as our Wittmann Tiger. This North African cat is just a 100 unit run and will be issued with our new October catalog. She’s a real doosy with micro-etched exhaust screens a full complement of open and closing hatches and two figures. In addition we’ve given her a well-worn sun baked paint job that is bound to be a crowd pleaser. We’ve done a late Tiger recently and thought an early E would be a great addition to our product line.

Issue date is end of October, price is unchanged at $179.00, edition size is 100. This is just one of many surprises being debut at the OTSN show next week: so stop by and take a look, see you there!

Cheers!

Brian

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A great looking Tiger Brian, love the detail and the overall battle worn look of the tank, I think the Collectors showcase line has made some very nice vehicles lately and all the while maintaining a good price point, if I were collecting the polystone type of vehicles I have to give CS the nod for overall price/availability/accuracy, keep up the good work Brian and co...Sammy

 

[OzDigger]

Matt,

I think you've answered your own question although I never said, or implied (or meant to imply) anything about detail.

Brad

Brad, how very glib of you. The fact is I don't know how many collectors are interested in Scale, but neither do you. You seem to have assumed that because you are not interested that you are in the majority. If I'm not interested in a forum topic I don't bother to respond to it, seems fair to me, why don't you try it.....again.

 

[Mitch]

I think the points in question I mentioned earlier are answered here. One poster states to Brian and CS that the detail in the AFV tiger is great yet, to another, there are many detail issues with this model including structural detail and unit numbering. Just goes to show how different people see things differently. one mans meat is anothers poison so, they say.

Mitch

 

[jazzeum]

Brad, how very glib of you. The fact is I don't know how many collectors are interested in Scale, but neither do you. You seem to have assumed that because you are not interested that you are in the majority. If I'm not interested in a forum topic I don't bother to respond to it, seems fair to me, why don't you try it.....again.

Asked and answered.

 

[sammy719]

A great looking Tiger Brian, love the detail and the overall battle worn look of the tank, I think the Collectors showcase line has made some very nice vehicles lately and all the while maintaining a good price point, if I were collecting the polystone type of vehicles I have to give CS the nod for overall price/availability/accuracy, keep up the good work Brian and co...Sammy

Also like the tank that it also comes with both figures for the 179.00...Sammy

 

[PanzerAce1944]

A great looking Tiger Brian, love the detail and the overall battle worn look of the tank, I think the Collectors showcase line has made some very nice vehicles lately and all the while maintaining a good price point, if I were collecting the polystone type of vehicles I have to give CS the nod for overall price/availability/accuracy, keep up the good work Brian and co...Sammy

Looks like another nice looking Tiger at a great price.......2012 has turned into TIGERMANIA. :wink2: