Next Release - Tiger and SU-100 (3 Viewers)

[Firebat]

I appreciate all of the input...I want to know everything, then I will see how far I will take it.

 

[fmethorst]

Some other considerations Alex,

German tank units rarely operated at full strength. In the case of the s.SS.Pz.Abt.101 it did have the authorized 45 Tigers on June 1 but of these, 8 were not operational, leaving 37 operational. By July 1 the unit had 30 Tigers left of which 11 were operational.

The following chart gives you an idea of the units tank availability during this period.



Based on this, the likelihood of a complete platoon numbered xx1-xx4 operating together is relative to the number of operational Tigers. More likely would be a cobbled together unit with a bit of mixed numbers. The first digit (company number) is more likely to remain constant in this scenario.

Another thing to consider is tank formations. For the Zug (platoon) these consisted of:
Reihe (4 tank column) used for marches (25 meter separation) and assembly (10 meter separation)
Linie (4 tanks line abreast) used for assembly
Doppelreihe (2 x 2 tank columns) used for approach marches and attacks (150 meters between sections, 100 meter depth)
Keil (4 tank wedge) used for attacks (100 meter separation to front and sides)

To give you an idea how much area a complete Tiger company (14 tanks) occupied if regulation spacing was maintained for a Keil (wedge) formation: 700 meters wide by 400 meters deep.

This sort of spacing would have been difficult to maintain in confined terrain.

For reference here is the organizational chart for a schwere Panzer Kompanie (Heavy Tank Company). Ignore the blue symbols as these represent additional equipment utilized by Funklenk (radio controlled) demolition units.

http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germany/44_organ/kstn_1176fG_01-06-44.html

 

[Firebat]

All of this technical info is much appreciated.......

I think I will contact Peter and see if I can talk him into doing the regular Tigers numbered differently before I start doing all of this modification.

 

[uksubs]

Got to say this is one great looking tank ^&cool

 

[wayne556517]

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Got to say this is one great looking tank ^&cool

Agree mate and by going on the pic its getting in the HB quality area IMO,going by the picture.

 

[uksubs]

Agree mate and by going on the pic its getting in the HB quality area IMO,going by the picture.

Think your right mate ! Well I know are be getting one :wink2:

 

[TomNT]

Agree mate and by going on the pic its getting in the HB quality area IMO,going by the picture.

You could be right mate and with the price and detail on these Tigers (im still yet to receive mine), Figarti might have hit a winner on these releases.

Tom

 

[Firebat]

Now I can speak more freely on this thread......

There is a thread on the K&C Forum called K&C Style.


Various aspects are being discussed.


Here is my real opinion, we pay good money in this hobby, and I would think that a detailed accurate piece representing the real thing is what everything would want. Come on is that not the pinnacle of what this hobby is about.

So to me there is no discussion to be had....When you can get a piece like this Tiger................... it CANNOT be beat.

Here is why:

As detailed as FL and cheaper with better heft, considerably more detailed than K&C, and better paint than TCS with more refined detail among other things like separate treads. Also there has been no breakage problems that I know of.


So not as an opinion, but in actuality, it would be hard to argue that currently this is the finest product on the market at an incredible price. I hope Figarti keeps this format.

Do yourself a huge favor and pick up this piece.

This is obviously the first one the newest release seems to be even better for a few bucks more.

 

[uksubs]

Now I can speak more freely on this thread......

There is a thread on the K&C Forum called K&C Style.


Various aspects are being discussed.


Here is my real opinion, we pay good money in this hobby, and I would think that a detailed accurate piece representing the real thing is what everything would want.

So to me there is no discussion to be had....When you can get a piece like this Tiger it CANNOT be beat.

Here is why:

As detailed as FL and cheaper with better heft, considerably more detailed than K&C, and better paint than TCS with more refined detail among other things like separate treads


So not as an opinion, but in actuality, it would be hard to argue that currently this is the finest product on the market at an incredible price. I hope Figarti keeps this format.

Totally agree Alex:salute::

 

[Firebat]

Totally agree Alex:salute::

When a piece is so definitive I am not worried about hurting feelings or style or anything else. This thing is the real deal , everything you could want from this hobby wrapped up in an economical package.

I am telling you straight as a friend, fellow collector and modeler. I can't emphasize this enough.


So take my advice or leave it.

 

[jazzeum]

And you can't give your opinion on the K & C thread? Why can't you say if you like or don't like something. I see a variety of opinions on that thread, with little acrimony. Don't try to make an issue where one does not exist.

 

[Rob]

And you can't give your opinion on the K & C thread? Why can't you say if you like or don't like something. I see a variety of opinions on that thread, with little acrimony. Don't try to make an issue where one does not exist.

Spot on Brad, can't believe that was said. Chris's thread has been very interesting and calm, great shame indeed that someone is suggesting there is an issue in that thread when there clearly is not.

Rob

 

[Firebat]

And you can't give your opinion on the K & C thread? Why can't you say if you like or don't like something. I see a variety of opinions on that thread, with little acrimony. Don't try to make an issue where one does not exist.

Didnt say I don't like it, This is just better in every way it is undeniable and collectors need to know. This is the Figarti forum where this reality will be better understood. Dont want to upset them too much over there.

 

[jazzeum]

I don't disagree with you in the slightest about Figarti as I have their first Tiger (with the exposed interior), the Eastern Tiger from a couple of years and a few others. All I was saying is that I think you can candidly express your opinion on that thread without fear of being jumped on.

Brad

 

[Firebat]

I don't disagree with you in the slightest about Figarti as I have their first Tiger (with the exposed interior), the Eastern Tiger from a couple of years and a few others. All I was saying is that I think you can candidly express your opinion on that thread without fear of being jumped on.

Brad

I just feel more comfortable here, and it is about Figarti.

I have never felt so passionate about a product as I have about this Tiger, I think this Tiger represents the current pinnacle of our hobby, as it contains all of the elements including price, of what this hobby represents.

Yes there is style and opinion, but what could be not acceptable about a near perfect representation of a real Tiger, what would be the argument for accepting less.

Please explain to me what STYLE could be better. I am all ears. Teach me a better way.

Why just study and discuss K&C style, why not discuss Figarti STYLE here, they are closer to perfection than any other manufacturer at this time, which I think is a more worthwhile discussion.

Yes FL it there also but there is a price problem which gives Figarti the edge.

Talk talk to me folks, show me what I am not seeing.

( By the way you can see I have done a quite a few K&C dioramas so I am not prejudice, this is a recent development and I am going with it. )

Respectfully
Alex

 

[Mitch]

Brilliant!!
Mitch

I don't disagree with you in the slightest about Figarti as I have their first Tiger (with the exposed interior), the Eastern Tiger from a couple of years and a few others. All I was saying is that I think you can candidly express your opinion on that thread without fear of being jumped on.

Brad

 

[Mitch]

I am not sure there is much to argue by what you have said I still prefer the HB tigers and always will but, the steel wheel versions are very nice and as we discussed in detail its pretty accurate and well detailed for the price.
Mitch

I just feel more comfortable here, and it is about Figarti.

I have never felt so passionate about a product as I have about this Tiger, I think this Tiger represents the current pinnacle of our hobby, as it contains all of the elements including price, of what this hobby represents.

Yes there is style and opinion, but what could be not acceptable about a near perfect representation of a real Tiger, what would be the argument for accepting less.

Please explain to me what STYLE could be better. I am all ears. Teach me a better way.

Why just study and discuss K&C style, why not discuss Figarti STYLE here, they are closer to perfection than any other manufacturer at this time, which I think is a more worthwhile discussion.

Yes FL it there also but there is a price problem which gives Figarti the edge.

Talk talk to me folks, show me what I am not seeing.

( By the way you can see I have done a quite a few K&C dioramas so I am not prejudice, this is a recent development and I am going with it. )

Respectfully
Alex

 

[Hunter Rose]

When a piece is so definitive I am not worried about hurting feelings or style or anything else. This thing is the real deal , everything you could want from this hobby wrapped up in an economical package.

I am telling you straight as a friend, fellow collector and modeler. I can't emphasize this enough.

Alex,

You're spot on here, and I couldn't agree more. This latest string of Figarti Tigers is a game changer, in much the same way the Honour Bound Panthers were game changers. It truly is the total package!!!

If looked at subjectively, honestly, and dispassionately, these new Figarti Tigers blow away the competition.

Regarding King and Country, their latest Grey and Winter Tigers cost $190 (subtracting the price out of the 1/2 body tank commander figure). So for either $1 cheaper, or $20 cheaper in the case of the 007 Wittman, you get a Tiger that is more detailed with wire mesh engine covers, antennas, opening commanders hatch, and better paint and weathering.

As for First Legion, based on the pricing/sizes of the Panzer III and Prime Mover, I'd guess that a FL Tiger with one figure would cost at least $350. Subtracting the $60 for the price of the commander, I'd guess a FL Tiger to cost $290 for the tank alone. In every comparison picture I've seen between FL/Figarti (Grey Panzer III/IV and Afrikakorps Tiger/Panzer III) the paint jobs/weathering look almost identical to my eye. So here you're getting equal quality for $100 cheaper.

Arguably, these Figarti Tigers are the best item in the hobby right now.

 

[Firebat]

Alex,

You're spot on here, and I couldn't agree more. This latest string of Figarti Tigers is a game changer, in much the same way the Honour Bound Panthers were game changers. It truly is the total package!!!

If looked at subjectively, honestly, and dispassionately, these new Figarti Tigers blow away the competition.

Regarding King and Country, their latest Grey and Winter Tigers cost $190 (subtracting the price out of the 1/2 body tank commander figure). So for either $1 cheaper, or $20 cheaper in the case of the 007 Wittman, you get a Tiger that is more detailed with wire mesh engine covers, antennas, opening commanders hatch, and better paint and weathering.

As for First Legion, based on the pricing/sizes of the Panzer III and Prime Mover, I'd guess that a FL Tiger with one figure would cost at least $350. Subtracting the $60 for the price of the commander, I'd guess a FL Tiger to cost $290 for the tank alone. In every comparison picture I've seen between FL/Figarti (Grey Panzer III/IV and Afrikakorps Tiger/Panzer III) the paint jobs/weathering look almost identical to my eye. So here you're getting equal quality for $100 cheaper.

Arguably, these Figarti Tigers are the best item in the hobby right now.

I am going to resume my reviews on the Battleground Art form, The Tiger one worked very well and I received numerous private complements, I will cover the model aspect as I did and you guys can chime in on the prototype technical stuff as you did..( You all did a FAIR great job )

This style stuff is a bunch of bull.........When a product is right it is right...and this Figarti stuff is way right. Collectors have to get the straight story not the STYLE excuse.

There it is straight as I can explain it.....Take the advice or leave it. What you do with your hobby dollars is your business.

 

[IXEC]

Figarti Tiger's need transportation . . . .