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How sad! While it is their right to make ***** of themselves, it does not reflect well of them. But, then, remember the Jane Fonda saga. Recently she apologized, but many of us vets won't accept it. Gotta admit I ain't Fonda Jane!

Al
 
Sorry but what are we discussing can some-one post of pm me a link.
 
Combat said:
It's one thing to disagree with their viewpoint, and another to say they shouldn't be allowed to express it. That's the trade off in a free society. They recently allowed a KKK rally in Gettysburg. So long as they follow all the applicable laws then you can't prohibit them from speaking because of the content of their message.
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While I would generally agree I do not in this case. It tars Muslims with the shame brush and brings shame upon the United Kingdom.

I am appalled and certainly a little ashamed to be British in the instance. :(
 
It's one thing to exercise your freedom of speach to disagree with military action but these people very often cross the line! Of course they do this to get a reaction. The problem is we need police and a judiciary that aren't scared of being acused of racism and will act against these idiots. Why is it that these people that want sharia law in the U.K. never understand that in any of the countries that have sharia law, they wouldn't have this freedom? I generaly find that first generation immigrants apreciate this country, it's their kids and grandkids, who are obviously born here, who are the problem!
 
this is what some people will never understand about a democracy...

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we will vehemently defend your rights and protect you when you disagree...we will defend your right to speak your views...

I wonder what would have happened if something "anti Muslim" similar to this happened in Iran...

on a side note...

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said: "While these are a handful of people claiming to speak on behalf of Muslims, many more Muslims will join fellow Britons in remembering the sacrifice of our armed forces."

does anybody know how large is the Muslim population in the UK?

I couldn't resist posting this second picture...it made me smile...

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thebritfarmer said:
While I would generally agree I do not in this case. It tars Muslims with the shame brush and brings shame upon the United Kingdom.

I am appalled and certainly a little ashamed to be British in the instance. :(
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Unfortunately, there are lots of people who have obnoxious viewpoints. Some very extreme. But you can't pick and choose who gets to express themselves and who doesn't. That's a fundamental right in free societies. And who decides which ones get to express them? Shooting people or arresting them because of their viewpoint would bring a lot more shame than allowing a few angry nut jobs to shout on the street.
 
You gotta love this child...this photo and caption speaks volumes...

He was 3ft tall in his shiny black shoes and he wore his great-uncle’s medals with pride as he stood to attention in the rain.

Jonny Osborne, seven, symbolised the face of a new generation yesterday as he marched shoulder to shoulder with servicemen and women to honour those killed by war.

As the number of survivors and their widows dwindles with time, new generations have become word-of-mouth messengers for those who gave their lives.

Jonny told me: "All I know really is that people should not forget. I tell everybody about the war – as many people as I can. It’s my favourite thing."

His great-uncle, Sapper Lawrence Burton, was killed in fierce fighting on the beaches of Greece in 1941 while serving with the Royal Engineers.

Jonny wore three of his medals yesterday as a guest of the Association of Veterans of Foreign wars, of which his U.S.-resident grandfather Terry Burton is president.

His other great-uncle, Len Burton, was shot by a German sniper in Italy in 1945.

So yesterday the great-nephew they never met added a few medals of his own to his blazer, among them a Spitfire emblem alongside Union Flag and Stars and Stripes badges.

Jonny, who attends a Church of England primary school near his home in North London, added: "I said a prayer for them. I like praying to God. I think people should. There were lots and lots of people praying for these guys."
 

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mikemiller1955 said:
You gotta love this child...this photo and caption speaks volumes...

He was 3ft tall in his shiny black shoes and he wore his great-uncle’s medals with pride as he stood to attention in the rain.

Jonny Osborne, seven, symbolised the face of a new generation yesterday as he marched shoulder to shoulder with servicemen and women to honour those killed by war.

As the number of survivors and their widows dwindles with time, new generations have become word-of-mouth messengers for those who gave their lives.

Jonny told me: "All I know really is that people should not forget. I tell everybody about the war – as many people as I can. It’s my favourite thing."

His great-uncle, Sapper Lawrence Burton, was killed in fierce fighting on the beaches of Greece in 1941 while serving with the Royal Engineers.

Jonny wore three of his medals yesterday as a guest of the Association of Veterans of Foreign wars, of which his U.S.-resident grandfather Terry Burton is president.

His other great-uncle, Len Burton, was shot by a German sniper in Italy in 1945.

So yesterday the great-nephew they never met added a few medals of his own to his blazer, among them a Spitfire emblem alongside Union Flag and Stars and Stripes badges.

Jonny, who attends a Church of England primary school near his home in North London, added: "I said a prayer for them. I like praying to God. I think people should. There were lots and lots of people praying for these guys."
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It's nice to hear stories like this. God bless him.
 
I have to agree with Doug on this. Although I find their views repugnant and wouldn't mind seeing them tossed out of England, the hallmark of a free society is the right to assert an opinion, no matter how obnoxiious it is. Of course, many people throughout history have used the structures of a free society to get themselves elected with the purpose then of shutting of those freedoms.
 
Saw a picture of one of the protesters, pure hatred. Except for the one lunatic fringe group here, mentioned elsewhere, everyone supports the troops, if not the war.

Feel sorry for anyone who has lost a family member or friend to have to put up with such a disgrace.
 
Whilst I agree about freedom of speech there are limits to that and incitement to racial hatred and a raft of other new and old english legislation should have been used to stop this and other recent events. It also just compounds the ''us'' and ''them'' mentality of extreme factions on both sides when one group is seemingly allowed to do as they choose without reproach.

Now I usually agree with the freedom of speech but, not in cases like this and would be exactly the same if it were stupid people denouncing a ceremony or something of such importance for muslims, jews or anyone to that matter.

There is just some things you just don't do and this happens to be one of them for me where there should be zero tolerance against the perpetrators.
Mitch
 
Mitch said:
Whilst I agree about freedom of speech there are limits to that and incitement to racial hatred and a raft of other new and old english legislation should have been used to stop this and other recent events. It also just compounds the ''us'' and ''them'' mentality of extreme factions on both sides when one group is seemingly allowed to do as they choose without reproach.

Now I usually agree with the freedom of speech but, not in cases like this and would be exactly the same if it were stupid people denouncing a ceremony or something of such importance for muslims, jews or anyone to that matter.

There is just some things you just don't do and this happens to be one of them for me where there should be zero tolerance against the perpetrators.
Mitch
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In full agreement with you Mitch. Few days in the village stocks should sort them out !! :D
 
Dr. D-

Here you go my friend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

The thing I find so ironic about all this is that the military is being used as a vehicle to PROTEST homosexuals- the military has always been criticised for being anti-***- go figure- only in America!! :D

Regarding Freedom of Speech and these tools- I dunno- they say virulent hateful things about ***s, lesbians, the military, blacks, hispanics, latinos, asians,muslims and Jews- who else is left to offend? Just let a SWAT Sniper team conduct some field exercises near their protesting, have an "Accidental" discharge and be done with it- who's really gonna care?? The thing that terrifies me is that they have young children brought in to these events. Just plant two in the chest and one in the head of the chucklehead "adults" and be done with it. Send the kids to child welfare and deprogram them. Truth said, I am actually surprised they are still alive.

Military respect is really a fickle subject. I know there are several of our members here who probably recall anti war and military protests in the 60's. I have seen pictures of Eisenhower wearing civilian suits when he worked in DC in the 1920's because people in uniform were mocked or looked down on. Even today, with all the flag waving and such, there are certain unspoken stereotypes or taboos- a lot to the effect of " As long as it isn't my kid, I'll support the military"- tough position I admit.

Penn State doesn't invite military recruiters to job fairs.

My local school district doesn't give kids Nov. 11th off. Nor is there a requirement to stand up and say the pledge.

If these were the freedoms these guys died to defend, I'd rather have them still with us.
 
The media is not innocent in all this. These sort of groups thrive on publicity. So by reporting on the event and eliciting a response we actually feed into this sort of thing.
Ignore them and they will disappear. Give them headlines and a handful of fanatics are given more attention than they warrant.
 
damian said:
The media is not innocent in all this. These sort of groups thrive on publicity. So by reporting on the event and eliciting a response we actually feed into this sort of thing.
Ignore them and they will disappear. Give them headlines and a handful of fanatics are given more attention than they warrant.
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It just takes one pastor of 50 people in Florida to threaten to burn the Koran to get people killed in Afghanistan.

The media feeds on the fringes...they are so much more interesting!
 
Advocating the murder of people due to their viewpoints - no matter how misplaced - is really disturbing.
 
Combat said:
Advocating the murder of people due to their viewpoints - no matter how misplaced - is really disturbing.
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True, but then again, I was employed and professionaly trained by our federal government to kill people whose viewpoints were not in the interest of said government- murder all the same- and I'd put more faith in my assessment of who should/shouldn't get whacked than the clowns in DC.

That disturbing enough for you? Even more so- I live 30 minutes from you- better sleep with an eye open. :D
 
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