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I meant instead of. Why buy from any particular company if there are cheaper and "better" alternatives. A 1/32 Corgi aircraft has more features, is mostly diecast, and is cheaper than K&C, TGM or Figarti aircraft so why buy the more expensive models. In fact, why buy the Corgi when you can buy the even cheaper and well detailed FOV and 21st Century models?

This seems to be an unanswerable question.

Terry

It's about beauty to the eye I guess Terry and appeal to the collector. I could buy an Airfix kit Spitfire and make it pretty well I hope, but it still wouldn't appeal to me in the way K&C's does. I could have walked away from London with TG's FW190 but I decided to go for the (in my opinion) more realistic finish of the K&C version . Sometimes money is not the only driver, it is as you say a difficult question to answer.

Rob
 
The silver lining in the short run is that many collectors are downsizing to raise cash for what they "must have." I have been able to pick up the series that I most prefer for reasonable or discount prices.
Basic economics would dictate downsizing, consolidation or liquidation of certain manufacturers and distributors. I assume that K&C can survive but they may look like a different company.
On the other hand collectors may be resilient enough to sustain the status quo. Second jobs, overtime, cutting back on food and putting the kids to work may help the "habit."
 
Al, $239 for BBG016 reflects the price increase, up from $225.
So far, and correct me if I'm wrong, only one person has said they are buying more items.
I really want the Stuka when it comes out, but the price will probably scare me off.
 
The silver lining in the short run is that many collectors are downsizing to raise cash for what they "must have." I have been able to pick up the series that I most prefer for reasonable or discount prices.
Basic economics would dictate downsizing, consolidation or liquidation of certain manufacturers and distributors. I assume that K&C can survive but they may look like a different company.
On the other hand collectors may be resilient enough to sustain the status quo. Second jobs, overtime, cutting back on food and putting the kids to work may help the "habit."

It does seem to be a buyer's market at the present.
 
Value...for the money,

The point being, value...value......and more value, is key now....

Value is a subjective call for each individual. Some people see good value in a German engineered car, in the latest and greatest phone technology, or in tailored clothing. Others see no value whatsoever in these things.

There is no magic. Manufacturers compete in different ways but are held to the same basic rules. In a competitive environment they choose to serve whatever market segment generates the best profits for their particular business. For some this could mean selling at lower price points but in higher quantities (the "mass market"). Others may go in a different direction, higher price points to a more selective audience. Either/both are legitimate strategies.

K&C sits in the middle. It is not the cheapest, nor the most expensive. That can be a dangerous place to be. They are subject to being squeezed by competition from both sides. Brand image/loyalty, superior customer/supplier relationships, sound financials, having strong distributors, all of these things come into play, beyond "just" product offerings.

They have a target on themselves by being the number one player. Everybody wants a shot at number one. New or revitalized competitors will (and do) attempt to exploit even the most minor weaknesses for their own advantage. "Niche" players enter and steal customers. Free markets arent pretty :)

The small size of the industry and the high demand elasticity of toy soldiers places additional pressures. Demand can fluctuate wildly with global economic conditions. As speculators sense lower profit potential they leave and liquidity dries up. Long time collectors can be forced to abandon non-essential purchases. New collectors are not created. Meanwhile the middle market can see its customers sucked away by cheaper providers on one end and high end producers on the other.

If all this occurs while raw material prices and labor costs increase, even as currency exchange rates move in unfavorable directions, a business can be caught in a wicked downward spiral.

K&C is a very well run company and very likely can adapt to whatever challenges it faces. This may mean radical changes to how it does business in the future. Only Andy and Co know. Im just speculating. The bottom line for me is that the K&C team has proven very adept and to be sound business managers. If higher prices are issued, no doubt its something that couldnt be avoided.

Individuals making threats about how their purchase behavior will change is really pointless. Talk, as they say, is cheap. (no pun intended) Actions are everything. The market will dictate what they must do. If price reductions are required, then something else will have to give. Simple.
 
I meant instead of. Why buy from any particular company if there are cheaper and "better" alternatives. A 1/32 Corgi aircraft has more features, is mostly diecast, and is cheaper than K&C, TGM or Figarti aircraft so why buy the more expensive models. In fact, why buy the Corgi when you can buy the even cheaper and well detailed FOV and 21st Century models?

This seems to be an unanswerable question.

Terry
Same reason people buy a BMW or Cadillac instead of a KIA. Because they can. That's my guess. -- Al
 
One thing I have found out about me cutting back on purchases because of the increasing cost is "I can live with out it"
I have now developed this attitude relative to the monthly dispatches is how many items I will not buy. And guess what, I actually feel good knowing that I,m no longer being sucked into this money hole!
Gary

Good point....similar sentiment shared.
 
I agree with many of the points raised by Rutledge.

That said I cannot envision how this hobby will continue to grow in the short and perhaps long term. The economy in the USA, and by this I mean unemployment figures, not the stock market, is terrible. The cost of figures is increasing and the range of subjects has exploded, which I appreciate, however, are there enough buyers to make these various lines profitable? Some toy soldiers businesses are constantly offering discounts on select items in the 20% range. This is not a compliant or criticism, but rather from my point view, a sign that things are in trouble.


Benjamin



Value is a subjective call for each individual. Some people see good value in a German engineered car, in the latest and greatest phone technology, or in tailored clothing. Others see no value whatsoever in these things.

There is no magic. Manufacturers compete in different ways but are held to the same basic rules. In a competitive environment they choose to serve whatever market segment generates the best profits for their particular business. For some this could mean selling at lower price points but in higher quantities (the "mass market"). Others may go in a different direction, higher price points to a more selective audience. Either/both are legitimate strategies.

K&C sits in the middle. It is not the cheapest, nor the most expensive. That can be a dangerous place to be. They are subject to being squeezed by competition from both sides. Brand image/loyalty, superior customer/supplier relationships, sound financials, having strong distributors, all of these things come into play, beyond "just" product offerings.

They have a target on themselves by being the number one player. Everybody wants a shot at number one. New or revitalized competitors will (and do) attempt to exploit even the most minor weaknesses for their own advantage. "Niche" players enter and steal customers. Free markets arent pretty :)

The small size of the industry and the high demand elasticity of toy soldiers places additional pressures. Demand can fluctuate wildly with global economic conditions. As speculators sense lower profit potential they leave and liquidity dries up. Long time collectors can be forced to abandon non-essential purchases. New collectors are not created. Meanwhile the middle market can see its customers sucked away by cheaper providers on one end and high end producers on the other.

If all this occurs while raw material prices and labor costs increase, even as currency exchange rates move in unfavorable directions, a business can be caught in a wicked downward spiral.

K&C is a very well run company and very likely can adapt to whatever challenges it faces. This may mean radical changes to how it does business in the future. Only Andy and Co know. Im just speculating. The bottom line for me is that the K&C team has proven very adept and to be sound business managers. If higher prices are issued, no doubt its something that couldnt be avoided.

Individuals making threats about how their purchase behavior will change is really pointless. Talk, as they say, is cheap. (no pun intended) Actions are everything. The market will dictate what they must do. If price reductions are required, then something else will have to give. Simple.
 
One thing I have noticed in regards to KC and the price increases-

it now seems as if it takes 6-8 months for retired items from major lines to be completely sold out from the major retailers. It used to take 4-6 months or less. Now, heck, less popular lines like Egypt and AWI can stay in stock for 8-10 months. That is a good thing.

Here's something for everyone to ponder- I collect St. Pete figures. This foot figs cost $100+ per figure. Yet, the demand isn't quite as high. As the prices increase, the amount of demand or perhaps popularity does seem to decrease. If I were to exclusively collect St. Pete, I could conceivably spend $125-150 per month where with KC, I have to spend $200. Perhaps we will see as the prices continue to increase, that may prove to be the case.

KV- I have often speculated that is the case as outlined by your girlfriend- granted though, he wouldn't have a 401k perhaps. You cannot blame the guy for increasing the prices of his figures watching what has happened on ebay. Why shouldn't he put more coin in his pocket rather than watching "midddlemen" speculate and line their pockets.

You gotta think the guy is sitting back at KC Central scratching his head. His figures from the pre-2004 era command hefty premiums on ebay yet the detail isn't anywhere the quality of today. He makes the effort to retool his process and increase his quality measures and now people are balking at the prices.
 
One more thing, some people say the economey is the main cause for people not buying toy soldiers. I agree it is to a point. But if I was layed off from my job and I still spent $35 for a toy soldier there is something terribly wrong with my priorities. My point is most people still buying toy soldiers are pretty financially sound, however the cost is getting so high that even if their income has not changed to the negative they can no longer justify $225 for a tank!
Gary
 
Value is a subjective call for each individual.
K&C sits in the middle. It is not the cheapest, nor the most expensive. That can be a dangerous place to be. They are subject to being squeezed by competition from both sides. Brand image/loyalty, superior customer/supplier relationships, sound financials, having strong distributors, all of these things come into play, beyond "just" product offerings.
I actually thought that K&C was a major player at TS marketplace... but if they in this kind of trouble as you described it almost makes me cry...:D
Individuals making threats about how their purchase behavior will change is really pointless. Talk, as they say, is cheap. (no pun intended) Actions are everything. The market will dictate what they must do. If price reductions are required, then something else will have to give. Simple.

I guess it's not about making threats but about taking business elsewhere...if you think it's a cheap talk see what happened to the Britains business model...besides is not the market just a large group of buying individuals after all ? :)

N0 offense indented: just my 2 cents.
Al
 
Excellent point and, gets to the crux of the matter
Mitch

One more thing, some people say the economey is the main cause for people not buying toy soldiers. I agree it is to a point. But if I was layed off from my job and I still spent $35 for a toy soldier there is something terribly wrong with my priorities. My point is most people still buying toy soldiers are pretty financially sound, however the cost is getting so high that even if their income has not changed to the negative they can no longer justify $225 for a tank!
Gary
 
I actually thought that K&C was a major player at TS marketplace... but if they in this kind of trouble as you described it almost makes me cry...:D


I guess it's not about making threats but about taking business elsewhere...if you think it's a cheap talk see what happened to the Britains business model...besides is not the market just a large group of buying individuals after all ? :)

N0 offense indented: just my 2 cents.
Al

NO offense katen :)

You make my point exactly Al, thanks. If enough "buyers" dont buy then that will make the point far more impactfully than a bunch of threats NOT to buy. After all Ive been threatening to organize that extra closet of mine for years, still hasnt happened.

I assumed what happened with Britains is that they failed to successfully transition to the matte model and also couldnt keep up quality wise. But I have not read a business case study on it. Perhaps Al can enlighten me. ;)

Crying is rarely used by adults as a negotiating strategy, but who knows, perhaps Andy is a softie...(although me thinks not....)
 
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One more thing, some people say the economey is the main cause for people not buying toy soldiers. I agree it is to a point. But if I was layed off from my job and I still spent $35 for a toy soldier there is something terribly wrong with my priorities. My point is most people still buying toy soldiers are pretty financially sound, however the cost is getting so high that even if their income has not changed to the negative they can no longer justify $225 for a tank!
Gary

I think your last point is spot on , as prices have increased you look at what else that money could buy, and toy soldiers start to take a back seat to other interests.
Hopefully the hobby has a big enough collector base to remain vibrant in the coming years.
 
Has anyone noticed we are all more or less agreeing? There are different points being expressed but we are all getting along. Rodney King would be proud.
 
Has anyone noticed we are all more or less agreeing? There are different points being expressed but we are all getting along. Rodney King would be proud.

Yes its lovely isn't it, no baiting, winding up etc, no insulting each other, if we keep this up they are going to start leaving the cell doors unlocked!:eek:;)

Rob
 
I have also found that to be very interesting and refreshing having a discussion about important issues freely, and without censor
Mitch
 
I guess my answer is that whilst the Corgi ME is very nice it will always be a Corgi and not a K&C , if you are a dedicated collector of something then perhaps there is a feeling of something not really fitting in so to speak. For instance the same maybe said if you had a large Britains collection and added a K&C item. It all depends on the collector and his own way of collecting things. I have a 21st Century ME109 I used in a dio, and whilst it looks good crashed and beat up a bit, it wouldn't fit in with my K&C aircraft.

So even with price rises if Ican have a K&C aircraft rather than what for me (in my view) is a cheaper substitute then it will be K&C every time. Price is not everything, but as I say just my view
:)
Rob



I respect your view, Rob...:)

After reading here that so many people, as well as I, are reshaping their buying habits, because of price increases, on anything really, it will cause people to seek better value for the money, or simply spend less.

Many here remember the $89.00 tanks in years past....and other have said they have enuff....and now, it seems fitting to say, it would take something of an extreme value for "todays collector" to spend their hard earned money.

So, I don't see that we are getting any real value along with the price increases...Imo.

Prices increases happen, so be it...but will people pay them? Time will tell...
 
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