boerboy
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Me too!but as a strong free market advocate I really loathe unions.
Al
Me too!but as a strong free market advocate I really loathe unions.
Me too!I guess sometimes threatening to take business elsewhere is the only way for some collectors to express their frustration, sitting in the comfort of their home without taking it on the streets with a bat and/or a poster
Al
I respect your view, Rob...
After reading here that so many people, as well as I, are reshaping their buying habits, because of price increases, on anything really, it will cause people to seek better value for the money, or simply spend less.
Many here remember the $89.00 tanks in years past....and other have said they have enuff....and now, it seems fitting to say, it would take something of an extreme value for "todays collector" to spend their hard earned money.
So, I don't see that we are getting any real value along with the price increases...Imo.
Prices increases happen, so be it...but will people pay them? Time will tell...
I respect your view, Rob...
After reading here that so many people, as well as I, are reshaping their buying habits, because of price increases, on anything really, it will cause people to seek better value for the money, or simply spend less.
Many here remember the $89.00 tanks in years past....and other have said they have enuff....and now, it seems fitting to say, it would take something of an extreme value for "todays collector" to spend their hard earned money.
So, I don't see that we are getting any real value along with the price increases...Imo.
Prices increases happen, so be it...but will people pay them? Time will tell...
did I miss a post where someone threatened to take business away?? I don't remember it. Collectors will take there wallets where they will get the best deal between price and quality.
Mitch
So my point here is, Rick was gotten me to part with alot of my money on the Train series with his adjusting the cost of the product to give the collector a chance at obtaining a "value" by giving the dealer less on the profit point.
I hope this case becomes a trend that will be adopted by more manufactures, as one solution to "price increases".
My point is most people still buying toy soldiers are pretty financially sound, however the cost is getting so high that even if their income has not changed to the negative they can no longer justify $225 for a tank!
Gary
Value is a subjective call for each individual. Some people see good value in a German engineered car, in the latest and greatest phone technology, or in tailored clothing. Others see no value whatsoever in these things.
There is no magic. Manufacturers compete in different ways but are held to the same basic rules. In a competitive environment they choose to serve whatever market segment generates the best profits for their particular business. For some this could mean selling at lower price points but in higher quantities (the "mass market"). Others may go in a different direction, higher price points to a more selective audience. Either/both are legitimate strategies.
K&C sits in the middle. It is not the cheapest, nor the most expensive. That can be a dangerous place to be. They are subject to being squeezed by competition from both sides. Brand image/loyalty, superior customer/supplier relationships, sound financials, having strong distributors, all of these things come into play, beyond "just" product offerings.
They have a target on themselves by being the number one player. Everybody wants a shot at number one. New or revitalized competitors will (and do) attempt to exploit even the most minor weaknesses for their own advantage. "Niche" players enter and steal customers. Free markets arent pretty
The small size of the industry and the high demand elasticity of toy soldiers places additional pressures. Demand can fluctuate wildly with global economic conditions. As speculators sense lower profit potential they leave and liquidity dries up. Long time collectors can be forced to abandon non-essential purchases. New collectors are not created. Meanwhile the middle market can see its customers sucked away by cheaper providers on one end and high end producers on the other.
If all this occurs while raw material prices and labor costs increase, even as currency exchange rates move in unfavorable directions, a business can be caught in a wicked downward spiral.
K&C is a very well run company and very likely can adapt to whatever challenges it faces. This may mean radical changes to how it does business in the future. Only Andy and Co know. Im just speculating. The bottom line for me is that the K&C team has proven very adept and to be sound business managers. If higher prices are issued, no doubt its something that couldnt be avoided.
Individuals making threats about how their purchase behavior will change is really pointless. Talk, as they say, is cheap. (no pun intended) Actions are everything. The market will dictate what they must do. If price reductions are required, then something else will have to give. Simple.
This thread has shown we can mention other manufactures here without offending....this is really all about collecting and how we make adjustment to continue to do that....
That being said....for myself I have narrowed my collecting of TS and have sold off less interesting subjects....
Which brings me back to the value of things as I see them ( in the eye of the beholder ).....a case in point is the Figarti Locamotive, it's not cheap, but I went gaga over it and had to have it...Looking at it, one can see it should have cost alot more, but who would pay more? This is where Rick's price strategy put value in place with price. The profit to dealers on the BM-52 is smaller than their acustom to. Because of this some dealer are sending a message to Rich and not carrying it at all or marking it up another $100. Now some dealers will tell you that it's the shipping cost to them that makes selling the BM-52 untenable when in fact their selling it "out the back door" to some of their "better" customers who ask them to get it for them.
So my point here is, Rick was gotten me to part with alot of my money on the Train series with his adjusting the cost of the product to give the collector a chance at obtaining a "value" by giving the dealer less on the profit point.
I hope this case becomes a trend that will be adopted by more manufactures, as one solution to "price increases".
I don't, because then you will see no dealers. The manufacturers will all have to go to a direct sales model, and dealers will be toast.
Dave
I also do not see any need to bring into this discussion Iran a silly move towards politics which will unecessarily raise reaction and, guess what, the thread will be closed down. Mitch
Very well said Gentlemen
Hi Guys,
All very interesting but for another perspective read the thread on Next K&C purchase.
Regards
Brett
Well said RobThing is in this day and age you have to try and keep an eye on the positive. I find whenever I turn on the news I am bombarded with the world economy crisis,unemployment woes, gruesome murders and the threat of terrorism. For me this hobby is an escape from all that, its something I can enthuse about, share with friends and take great enjoyment from. So whilst of course I don't want to see prices rise I can't let it stop me enjoying my hobby, yes I will perhaps alter the course of my collecting and perhaps buy fewer items if need be, but I won't stop collecting, because despite price rises its still great funJust my opinion of course.
Rob