Sauce for the Goose… (1 Viewer)

[Northgate Woods]

I would think it would be wiser to have a plane in hand and then make a judgement. Not that anyone should care what I think.
Wayne.

Wayne mate,
I care cobber.^&grin Photos can be deceptive. Take the EA Aussies for example. Photos showed black boots on some but when I opened the boxes on arrival, Bingo, they had brown boots.:smile2:Where also would I be without your Lighthorse dios to brighten my day.
Cheers Howard

 

[WW2]

It's interesting that the eveyone is going by the colour only seen on the promo pics instead of waiting until the plane is in their hands before commenting, in the past the promo pics have proven to be taken under conditions that shows colour to be slightly darker or lighter. I would think it would be wiser to have a plane in hand and then make a judgement. Not that anyone should care what I think.
Wayne.

very well said indeed

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Gee what a interesting thread. All the deletions and I caused none of them. Come on guy's we all need a big hug now and again. But what I want to no who is the goose. No nasty things here only some fun. Simmo.

 

[uksubs]

It's interesting that the eveyone is going by the colour only seen on the promo pics instead of waiting until the plane is in their hands before commenting, in the past the promo pics have proven to be taken under conditions that shows colour to be slightly darker or lighter. I would think it would be wiser to have a plane in hand and then make a judgement. Not that anyone should care what I think.
Wayne.

Well are tell you a little story kc made a Me 262 with a tail stand and I asked if the Me 262 was a tail sitter as I've never seen a real Me 262 with a stand holding up the tail and Andy said that the Me 262 was not a tail sitter so a lot of people took talk Andy for is word got the £250.00 Me 262 home only to find a lot were tail sitter! As for the Spitfire the grey matches the same on kc typhoon witch was the wrong shade .

 

[WW2]

Well are tell you a little story kc made a Me 262 with a tail stand and I asked if the Me 262 was a tail sitter as I've never seen a real Me 262 with a stand holding up the tail and Andy said that the Me 262 was not a tail sitter so a lot of people took talk Andy for is word got the £250.00 Me 262 home only to find a lot were tail sitter! As for the Spitfire the grey matches the same on kc typhoon witch was the wrong shade .

interesting point

i did read a thread here about that a while ago; so i went to the store and take a look at the plane. indeed the plane stood fine WITHOUT the stand. it seems that not all planes are same?!

like some barrels droop and some dont even if they are the same models by the same company!!

 

[uksubs]

interesting point

i did read a thread here about that a while ago; so i went to the store and take a look at the plane. indeed the plane stood fine WITHOUT the stand. it seems that not all planes are same?!

like some barrels droop and some dont even if they are the same models by the same company!!

these things are not cheap and should not come with any problems for the money ,if Hobbymaster can paint there Jonnie Johnston plastic plane right for £50.00 why can't kc do the same on there £250.00 plane ?

 

[WW2]

these things are not cheap and should not come with any problems for the money ,if Hobbymaster can paint there Jonnie Johnston plastic plane right for £50.00 why can't kc do the same on there £250.00 plane ?

yes, it naturally leads to your question......

my earlier thread also brought up the issues of incorrect insignia on a couple of KC AFVs

 

[joesgis]

I noted that Mitch described most of the above comments as being "very childish and immature". However I view them as a reasoned response to Mitch, who as some of us know makes money from repairing and repainting models made by King & Country, Figarti etc.

Yep, and for a guy who has a "no comment to make", Mitch sure has a lot to say.

Joe

 

[Jamo]

This thread bemuses me. My view is that if you have a strong opinion on a K&C piece, then ( constructively) say your bit. I would also say 'do not bite the hand that feeds you'. This is a K&C section on the forum and I think K&C deserve credit and respect as their product is , I presume, why most come onto this section of the forum. if something is not quite right, then you have the option of not buying it. Say your bit and move on, but some people on this forum just can't let things go and have to get into arguments.......

With so many releases, there may be the odd mistake or inaccuracy. Andy is under no obligation to make your sets how you 'demand them to be'. If he sounds frustrated in some threads it's probably because of the treatment he gets from certain individuals on this forum.

Thanks

 

[Mitch]

Ozdigger...

reasoned responses droning on about post numbers and that I am bothered if people disagree with me.. Please give me a break!! considering the feathers you ruffled in your time on here mate its also what andy calls a bit rich.

Andy also ruffles feathers as has been seen many times and recently with the recent shyster episode and, this looked just the same. One post removed from a section which annoyed and an immediate follow up and, then another follow up which, as its a dig at mitch is seemingly acceptable and allowed to stay. so, people in glass houses!!!

I am unsure where the repainting and fixing models comes into it? I do but, then I have never said that I hate K&C its quite the opposite as many on here know but, that does not equate to me having to either get on and agree with everything andy says and, take it as gospel or, make comments on what they release when its wrong, broken or, just plain made up. I see many others do and, have for many many years. I am sure that you also remember this well.

We are supposed to comment on what is released and, if the barrels droop and, the spit is wrong contrary to any other opinion then it should be said

Another day in toy heaven and, so we can all sleep well, just blame it on me. It seems to work for some and the fact that the third string from the original post is still here as its a little dig at mitch rather sums it up
Mitch

 

[Phantom Warrior]

This thread bemuses me. My view is that if you have a strong opinion on a K&C piece, then ( constructively) say your bit. I would also say 'do not bite the hand that feeds you'. This is a K&C section on the forum and I think K&C deserve credit and respect as their product is , I presume, why most come onto this section of the forum. if something is not quite right, then you have the option of not buying it. Say your bit and move on, but some people on this forum just can't let things go and have to get into arguments.......

With so many releases, there may be the odd mistake or inaccuracy. Andy is under no obligation to make your sets how you 'demand them to be'. If he sounds frustrated in some threads it's probably because of the treatment he gets from certain individuals on this forum.

Thanks

Exactly. Critique of a product is fine as long as it is based on fact. But there are clearly people out to get K&C and people out to defend K&C at all costs. As you say, if you don't like the item, rather than take it as a personal affront, you have the option of not buying it. No need to repeat the same complaint ad naseum.

Terry

 

[uksubs]

Exactly. Critique of a product is fine as long as it is based on fact. But there are clearly people out to get K&C and people out to defend K&C at all costs. As you say, if you don't like the item, rather than take it as a personal affront, you have the option of not buying it. No need to repeat the same complaint ad naseum.

Terry

What a odd forum when you can't talk about the detail of a item with out it all kicking off

 

[The Military Workshop]

This thread bemuses me. My view is that if you have a strong opinion on a K&C piece, then ( constructively) say your bit. I would also say 'do not bite the hand that feeds you'. This is a K&C section on the forum and I think K&C deserve credit and respect as their product is , I presume, why most come onto this section of the forum. if something is not quite right, then you have the option of not buying it. Say your bit and move on, but some people on this forum just can't let things go and have to get into arguments.......

With so many releases, there may be the odd mistake or inaccuracy. Andy is under no obligation to make your sets how you 'demand them to be'. If he sounds frustrated in some threads it's probably because of the treatment he gets from certain individuals on this forum.

Thanks

Well said regarding "if something is not quite right, then you have the option of not buying it. Say your bit and move on, but some people on this forum just can't let things go and have to get into arguments.......".

I have no problem with people making a legitimate comment about an error or ommission but one has to wonder how many posts/threads about the same point is enough. The multiple negative comments of the few (some of whom have not seen the item in the flesh) often drown out the positive comments of the many who actually got one of whatever it is. This does not just apply to K&C as examples can be seen in other areas.

Regards
Brett

 

[The Military Workshop]

What a odd forum when you can't talk about the detail of a item with out it all kicking off

See my previous post.

 

[wayne556517]

What a odd forum when you can't talk about the detail of a item with out it all kicking off

Always start your own toy soldier company..........................^&grin

 

[Phantom Warrior]

What a odd forum when you can't talk about the detail of a item with out it all kicking off

At what point does a discussion of an item become an argument. Should be easy to figure out - it happens here all the time. That's the ad naseum part.

Terry

 

[uksubs]

Always start your own toy soldier company..........................^&grin

Maybe your only way of getting a Stuka you want mate lol

 

[Mitch]

Brett...

Thats fine to a point but, for the money, many collectors cannot see the model in the flesh and, when they see it in the flesh its only because they have forked out their hard earned cash and bought it. If they then see an issue say paint colour etc what recourse have they. Would you take one back and refund a customer because they state the paint colour is not correct and does not do justice to the person or AFV it depicts?

I do agree that sometimes the pictures from manufacturers do not do the justice sets but, have not come across a picture where the colour is so distorted that when one opens the box its another shade.

I would think and, its clearly obvious on the whole forum that collectors are now becoming more discerning and want to evaluate and scrutinise their purchases more and more. This may be more awareness from collectors historically and in terms of accuracy or, just because of the prices. It may even be both but, I would venture its here to stay.

I wonder how much or who decides what is enough comment when a thread is flowing whether positive or negative. I did mention a few times on the barrel issue that if it was a dog it would have been put down but, it still continued and many of the multiple posters put different twists on their droopy barrel issues.

What you suggest in theory sounds fine but, in practice awaiting the sets just seems not to work for many reasons. when they are released you can easily tell whether something physically i.e. markings unit numbers camo style colour are right or wrong and, I would think its wrong to not say so until its released even if you don't actually buy the set makes little difference as not everyone can buy everything.
Mitch

Well said regarding "if something is not quite right, then you have the option of not buying it. Say your bit and move on, but some people on this forum just can't let things go and have to get into arguments.......".

I have no problem with people making a legitimate comment about an error or ommission but one has to wonder how many posts/threads about the same point is enough. The multiple negative comments of the few (some of whom have not seen the item in the flesh) often drown out the positive comments of the many who actually got one of whatever it is. This does not just apply to K&C as examples can be seen in other areas.

Regards
Brett

 

[The Military Workshop]

Mitch,
On your first para question. In my case absolutely no problem to return such an item and I believe most dealers would act the same.

Lets assume a person has no intention to buy an item because of a specific problem which he has commented upon and also started a thread on. Even after seeing these comments a number of people buy the item and are happy with it yet he continues to raise the original point over multiple posts over weeks and possibly months (possibly without even seeing one). There does come a point when enough is enough and it is time to move on. Hard to say when that point is but 10 x might be enough to get the point across or is that not enough ? For those who have bought the item I think you will agree they might find it a little irritating.

Regards
Brett




Brett...

Thats fine to a point but, for the money, many collectors cannot see the model in the flesh and, when they see it in the flesh its only because they have forked out their hard earned cash and bought it. If they then see an issue say paint colour etc what recourse have they. Would you take one back and refund a customer because they state the paint colour is not correct and does not do justice to the person or AFV it depicts?

I do agree that sometimes the pictures from manufacturers do not do the justice sets but, have not come across a picture where the colour is so distorted that when one opens the box its another shade.

I would think and, its clearly obvious on the whole forum that collectors are now becoming more discerning and want to evaluate and scrutinise their purchases more and more. This may be more awareness from collectors historically and in terms of accuracy or, just because of the prices. It may even be both but, I would venture its here to stay.

I wonder how much or who decides what is enough comment when a thread is flowing whether positive or negative. I did mention a few times on the barrel issue that if it was a dog it would have been put down but, it still continued and many of the multiple posters put different twists on their droopy barrel issues.

What you suggest in theory sounds fine but, in practice awaiting the sets just seems not to work for many reasons. when they are released you can easily tell whether something physically i.e. markings unit numbers camo style colour are right or wrong and, I would think its wrong to not say so until its released even if you don't actually buy the set makes little difference as not everyone can buy everything.
Mitch

 

[WW2]

fine points by all....

at the end of the day, we (or at least me) are always looking for better and better quality products; be correct historically, sculpting, scale, etc etc

everyone has his/her standard (or quality control threshold) which maybe based on the price of the set (higher the price, the set maybe under more scrutiny) which again can be interpreted differently by different collectors (while some find it cheap; others may find it expensive)