The Little Bighorn (6 Viewers)

Well, I for one have been following this thread with a lot of interest, for various reasons.
Keep it up boys. I find this entire discussion very interesting indeed, although I'm not tempted to add my contributions.

Harry
 
Somehow I just knew this would happen, we went from a historical discussion about Custer to the big bad Americans interferring in everyone's business and what a wonderful country France has become. Good grief, why must everything get political?
 
Does Ales mean the France that I Know,The second biggest colonial power in the 19th cen.?
Mark
 
Somehow I just knew this would happen, we went from a historical discussion about Custer to the big bad Americans interferring in everyone's business and what a wonderful country France has become. Good grief, why must everything get political?

Well Ed,

I don't want people to start claiming that I hate France, cos I don't, not really, but I've been to a few of France's ex-colonies. Anyone who believes they were "better", or more "altruistic", or acted in any way differently towards their "subjects" than other European colonial powers, for example; Great Britain, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Germany - to name a few, simply has no grasp of what went on in these countries.

And what does France have to do with the LBH or Custer anyway?
:confused:

Regards
Harry
 
I do not wannt to write anymore at this topic because i write a long letter,i really put a lot of efort in this letter because my english is no good so i must think long time to think the words and than someone delete my letter.So i will not even read this topic no more,there is better topic to read and participate than this one.
I just do not understand why you all like this Custer so much?
First of all are all the people here from north?
Because if you are from South you propably do not like Custer because he kill your grand grand father in the Civil war.And you like English so much,but they also kill your gran grand grand parents.And you hate France which help you in your war of Independence and it also help General lee and the South in the Civil war.
About the France colony.They give a lot of citizenship to people who come from their African colonies.The English will give their citizenship only to a wealthy Russian-so you can see the diference?
Good luck with the topic and LONG LIVE CUSTER:D:D:D:D(not:p)
 
I do not wannt to write anymore at this topic because i write a long letter,i really put a lot of efort in this letter because my english is no good so i must think long time to think the words and than someone delete my letter.So i will not even read this topic no more,there is better topic to read and participate than this one.
I just do not understand why you all like this Custer so much?
First of all are all the people here from north?
Because if you are from South you propably do not like Custer because he kill your grand grand father in the Civil war.And you like English so much,but they also kill your gran grand grand parents.And you hate France which help you in your war of Independence and it also help General lee and the South in the Civil war.
About the France colony.They give a lot of citizenship to people who come from their African colonies.The English will give their citizenship only to a wealthy Russian-so you can see the diference?
Good luck with the topic and LONG LIVE CUSTER:D:D:D:D(not:p)

Amen to that!
 
WOW, this thread got feisty. Its been very interesting though reading the different takes on the battle.
 
Aleš;204606 said:
I do not wannt to write anymore at this topic because i write a long letter,i really put a lot of efort in this letter because my english is no good so i must think long time to think the words and than someone delete my letter.So i will not even read this topic no more,there is better topic to read and participate than this one.
I just do not understand why you all like this Custer so much?
First of all are all the people here from north?
Because if you are from South you propably do not like Custer because he kill your grand grand father in the Civil war.And you like English so much,but they also kill your gran grand grand parents.And you hate France which help you in your war of Independence and it also help General lee and the South in the Civil war.
About the France colony.They give a lot of citizenship to people who come from their African colonies.The English will give their citizenship only to a wealthy Russian-so you can see the diference?
Good luck with the topic and LONG LIVE CUSTER:D:D:D:D(not:p)

Ales, you have to understand that you are arguing about an American historical icon on an American forum. To be frank I feel you have been allowed a good deal of latitude on the subject considering your apparent? prejudice against Americans and Custer in particular.

Personally I don't like Custer, nor do I hate him. To me he's a Patton from an earlier era, an imperfect hero for his people when they apparently needed one. War and Politics will never be separated - as much as we would like too - in both we always need a Hero or a Scapegoat.
 
Ales,

Your post was deleted because it was political. I have sent you a pm about this.

I've had to delete a couple of posts so far and hand out a couple of infractions. I hope we don't have to continue to do that.
 
Can I get a translation of "Missouri boat ride" as it's not a phrase we use in Australia.
Hey all. The boat ride I was refering to was my belief that Ales was having us on, ie., yanking our chain by baiting us or taking us for a ride.
-- lancer
 
I thought "Missouri boat ride" was a reference to one of my all time favorite movies, the Clint Eastwood classic "The Outlaw Josie Wells". In the movie, the Union "Missouri Red Leg" soldiers are crossing the Missouri river on a ferry (in this case a barge pulled across the river via a rope attached at both banks), while Clint adjusts his long rifle while a carpet bagger looks on. The Carpet bagger says "there's no way you are going to shoot all those men. In this country we have a thing called justice." Clint answers "Well, Mr. Carpet Bagger, in these parts we have a little something called a Missouri boat ride" and then shoots out the rope, causing the ferry to drift off down the river out of control. It is a great scene.:cool::cool::D:p
 
I was also referring to previous threads on here such as the recent new Custer film and the deleted Indian wars where there were indeed Custer comments such as my quotes.

Yes he was without doubt sometimes a vain glorious man and the great Custer historian Brian Dippie placed him perfectly when he wrote ..."that between the last of the cavaliers and the glory hunter a man waits to be discovered but unfortunately the disputatious nature of almost all writing on Custer continues to cast an obscuring shadow" That shadow is the fact that Custer was the commander at the LBH who caused the deaths of over 250 of his men and very few authors today would describe his actions at the LBH as charging like Murat and dying like Leonidas.

Any student of the battle who is worth his salt and after analysing all the facts available to him today cannot blame Reno or Benteen it lies solely with Custer. I do not profess to know what has baffled historians for over a 120 years on why an experienced cavalry commander killed himself and his command on the Greasy Grass. There will never be a definitive conclusion to that mystery.

Yet "Custer's Last Stand" still remains today an enigmatic myth unlike any other. He and his troopers will be forever glued to that ridge like our toy soldiers in one of our dios.

Anyway enough of my meanderings-the LBH battlefield is in a very remote location, one can walk or rather trek the area of the Custer fight and then drive 4 miles south to the Reno-Benteen defense site. I found it entirely different to other battlefields I have visited such as Waterloo; Gettysburg; Antietam; Omaha; Verdun; The Somme; Vimy Ridge etc. where you are only too aware that you are walking hallowed ground. As I stated on another post you are overwhelmed with the vastness of the area and I had this uncanny feeling here as the wind rustled the grass over the undulating ridges that I was walking with ghosts.

The attached area I personally felt was the eeriest this is the Deep Ravine where 28 men from E Troop were cut off by the Indians from reaching Custer fighting on the ridge. They tried to escape but were shot/hacked to pieces in the bottom of that gully. The bodies were hastily buried by Terry's men where they laid and then many months later reburied on Custer's ridge. However, due to adverse weather conditions half of the temporary markers were lost and they only found half of the bodies, somewhere in the bottom of that ridge lie sleeping a dozen unknown brave 7th Cavalry troopers.
It got to me!

Reb

DeepRavine-ETroop.jpg
Very thought provoking and compelling post mate; one can only be moved by the many brave souls from all nations buried there or nearby.
 
Hey all. The boat ride I was refering to was my belief that Ales was having us on, ie., yanking our chain by baiting us or taking us for a ride. :D -- lancer

Maybe Ales was yanking our chain to some degree but I suspect he was just expressing what he believed to be true rather than opinions he had gained over time.

LOL - they say we all speak English but I think it's time we split that language into British-English, Australian-English and American-English, or even 'Traditional English', 'Australian' and 'American' :eek:
 
This thread subject has been great,i have enjoyed the information contained therein,military history in particular generates great debate and this thread is testimony to this,people have expressed their views with genuine knowledge and passion which at times made great reading and i for one thank all the contributors for a great read.i hope all views can be respected and that all contributors remain friendly and hopefully will continue to make this forum a welcome place to visit .
 
This thread subject has been great,i have enjoyed the information contained therein,military history in particular generates great debate and this thread is testimony to this,people have expressed their views with genuine knowledge and passion which at times made great reading and i for one thank all the contributors for a great read.i hope all views can be respected and that all contributors remain friendly and hopefully will continue to make this forum a welcome place to visit .
Great thoughts and your screen name is a fitting addition to this discussion since it signifies the likely sacrificial units used in assaults on difficult positions.
 
Well Ed,

I don't want people to start claiming that I hate France, cos I don't, not really, but I've been to a few of France's ex-colonies. Anyone who believes they were "better", or more "altruistic", or acted in any way differently towards their "subjects" than other European colonial powers, for example; Great Britain, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Germany - to name a few, simply has no grasp of what went on in these countries.

And what does France have to do with the LBH or Custer anyway?
:confused:

Regards
Harry
Good questions Harry, I have no idea what motivates these rants and how France got into the mix. However, I'm quite sure I'm better off not knowing. As the Ramones would say at a time like this, LOBOTOMY.
 
I wonder if there is evidence of a racial element in Custer's decisionmaking. A belief that the Indians were inferior in general no matter their numbers. In analyzing these events 100+ years later, it is easy to lose sight of or try to PC how differently most people thought at the time.
 

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