Track Mud (1 Viewer)

[OzDigger]

Here's my five cents:

* The extra track mud etc is a cheap way to provide extra strength to tank models. I personally don't like to see its overuse and prefer models with much less gunk in the tracks. Other companies can produce tanks without the extra gunk at a lower cost, e.g. Collectors Showcase, so I can't see why K & C continues to use it. Same goes for K & C using vegetation etc to prop up the raised leg(s) on their horses, most other companies dropped that idea years ago. Brett says I'm the only person to complain about the vegetation under the hooves so maybe I'm hard to please, but at a minimum price of $79 per mounted set I think K & C can do better.

* As for "Winter Mud", I would expect to see more Mud in Spring than in Winter because of the melting snow etc.

 

[Mitch]

No your not the only one I really dislike the grass under the horse hooves raised about a foot high in perspective. Totally unecessary and, I think a few recently have not had it on. I would have thought it was harder to air mount almost like this than have them flat to the base
Mitch

Here's my five cents:

* The extra track mud etc is a cheap way to provide extra strength to tank models. I personally don't like to see its overuse and prefer models with much less gunk in the tracks. Other companies can produce tanks without the extra gunk at a lower cost, e.g. Collectors Showcase, so I can't see why K & C continues to use it. Same goes for K & C using vegetation etc to prop up the raised leg(s) on their horses, most other companies dropped that idea years ago. Brett says I'm the only person to complain about the vegetation under the hooves so maybe I'm hard to please, but at a minimum price of $79 per mounted set I think K & C can do better.

* As for "Winter Mud", I would expect to see more Mud in Spring than in Winter because of the melting snow etc.

 

[maddadicus]

I love the quirky nature of how K/C presents its armor. They easily add the most stowage to any of their tanks vs any competitor, and I have no problem with the extra track gunk, regardless of K/C's reasons for doing it. When I buy a K/C tank, I get with it that lived in, fought in look. As much as I enjoy C/S and Figarti armor, they are not dumpy enough for me and I am forever reweathering and adding stuff to the baggage.. Michael

 

[wayne556517]

The one thing that bothers me about K&C tracked vehicles.......There is dmud and debries between the road wheels. Granted the part touching the ground is always going 0 MPH/KPH, the mud would cause the tracks to pop off. I find this unrealistic, and other manufacturors have found ways to alleviate this issue. Yes there are static display replicas, but even real static vehicles don't have this. I don't think it conveys movement either, nor does it help a lot to meld the vehicle into the diorama. A TC would give his crew a beating for leaving the tracks in such a condition.

Any tread-heads want to chimne in?

If it bothers you so much to start a thread why buy them ?
And if you don't buy them why comment !!

 

[Poppo]

If it bothers you so much to start a thread why buy them ?
And if you don't buy them why comment !!

Every subject about toysoldiers can be commented, even if you won' t buy it....That' s why it is a forum of discussions and I guess many people are interested to read about this thread...

 

[wayne556517]

Every subject about toysoldiers can be commented, even if you won' t buy it....That' s why it is a forum of discussions....

Yeah i know mate that's why i commented.......................^&confuse^&confuse

 

[OzDigger]

I can't speak for other collectors but I complain when I want something to change. Such as when I think there's to much gunk in tank tracks and when horses raised hooves are 'supported' by grass etc for no apparent reason. Yes, I could stop buying things I don't like, but how would that help King and Country etc?

There are forum members that don't like to see any negative comments on the forum {sm2} Maybe they perceive such comments as being somehow disingenuous to Andy or 'their' favorite owner(s). Perhaps they feel their sales or collection will be negatively affected if they are a dealer, reseller, repainter or whatever. Or maybe they think this forum is their personal escape from the real world and they feel threatened when other members introduce some aspects of the real world into their utopia. The fact is it's a public forum full of people with their own opinions and I think it's better that way, diversity rules ^&cool

 

[DM101]

I find the mud on tracks OK - theses are afterall ploystones models, if I had wanted total realism would had got TAMIYA models insread.... {sm4}

 

[cnq]

I find the mud on tracks OK - theses are afterall ploystones models, if I had wanted total realism would had got TAMIYA models insread.... {sm4}

but with the current price K&C is charging for these tank models, I don't find the mud on tracks OK at all. If I want total realism and could afford it I would have bought the real tank.

 

[Thompyt]

If it bothers you so much to start a thread why buy them ?
And if you don't buy them why comment !!

I started it as a point of discussion. Where did I say I do or do not buy them? Purchase is not the point, but the realism of the mold. Sounds like you have never been in or around the 1:1 scale type. Comments like yours create unwanted negativity in thread. Even Mitch & PA44 are civil.

 

[Blowtorch]

Other companies can produce tanks without the extra gunk at a lower cost, e.g. Collectors Showcase, so I can't see why K & C continues to use it.

I know what you are saying, but that's comparing apples & oranges. CS is great if a person is in to late war German heavies. Other than that, he is wandering in the woods. K&C has a different R&D system which delivers variety in a timely manner with certain cost saving measures to keep a positive balance sheet. Different R&D, different business model, different overhead. Technically, sure, K&C could make the tracks as people here desire, but something's going to give. It wont' be free. Either the price would be higher, variety would decrease, a line or two, or three, might disappear, turn around would be slower, etc.

 

[wayne556517]

I started it as a point of discussion. Where did I say I do or do not buy them? Purchase is not the point, but the realism of the mold. Sounds like you have never been in or around the 1:1 scale type. Comments like yours create unwanted negativity in thread. Even Mitch & PA44 are civil.

Ive done my time in the military MATE spent along time around the 1/1 scale as you say,its a public forum MATE im entitled to a opinion.
Im sorry MATE im not CIVIL enough for you,but you have to remember cobber there not real King and Country is a toy soldier company......................................^&grin
Why don't you ask Andy to make a TC giving his crew a beating so you will be happy............^&grin^&grin.
Unwanted negativity {eek3} stop being so sensitive its a conversation on toy soldiers mate a hobby,not a inspection in the barracks unbelievable,if you can't take a wee bit of criticism don't start a thread.

 

[OzDigger]

I know what you are saying, but that's comparing apples & oranges. CS is great if a person is in to late war German heavies. Other than that, he is wandering in the woods. K&C has a different R&D system which delivers variety in a timely manner with certain cost saving measures to keep a positive balance sheet. Different R&D, different business model, different overhead. Technically, sure, K&C could make the tracks as people here desire, but something's going to give. It wont' be free. Either the price would be higher, variety would decrease, a line or two, or three, might disappear, turn around would be slower, etc.

K & C have already made tanks with less track gunk at a lower cost than they sell for now so it is comparing apples to apples. CS have a smaller range of products but with more depth, that approach appeals to me and far from "wandering in the woods" imo. But let's not get carried away comparing TS companies as it soon ends up in a cat fight.

 

[Blowtorch]

K & C have already made tanks with less track gunk at a lower cost than they sell for now so it is comparing apples to apples.

what are they? you may be right, but I forgot about them

 

[Blowtorch]

and considering how prominent the collectors were who were asking for this, I doubt that K&C will now produce clean tracks.

Terry

what exactly is a prominent collector?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

what exactly is a prominent collector?

Someone with a very big, expensive collection who has been collecting a long time and is well known to other collectors and the manufacturers.

Terry

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Someone with a very big, expensive collection who has been collecting a long time and is well known to other collectors and the manufacturers.

Terry

I love a good polystone mystery....{sm3}

 

[Mitch]

Terry...

So what was the jist of it from this collector/s comments. I am stamping my feet and won't buy unless you remove the track strengthener??? obviously, as its still there they are not as prominant as they may think they are
Mitch

QUOTE=Phantom Warrior;525572]Someone with a very big, expensive collection who has been collecting a long time and is well known to other collectors and the manufacturers.

Terry[/QUOTE]

 

[Harper (aka Spitfrnd)]

Yeah i know mate that's why i commented.......................^&confuse^&confuse

Actually your comment was a suggestion that the original poster should not comment unless he bought the product. I believe that was the point of Poppo's observation and I haven't a clue why whether you buy something should be a condition to providing your opinion on an easily observable characteristic.

 

[maddadicus]

Actually your comment was a suggestion that the original poster should not comment unless he bought the product. I believe that was the point of Poppo's observation and I haven't a clue why whether you buy something should be a condition to providing your opinion on an easily observable characteristic.

It is hard to give any validity to an opinion that says one mfg. item is better than another mfg. same item unless thay have both products to actually look at and fairly note the differences. Since according to this poster video-something or other says every mfg. is better than K/C anything, it is appropriate to note that the poster is merely being contrary and provocative, especially absent actually being a collector of K/C. Michael