US/Israel Launches Op Epic Fury Against Iran (1 Viewer)

My vote is option 2; the Trump haters/half the country and a faltering stock market and economy with the mid terms looming will pressure him into ending this prematurely, Iran suffered a mild setback will continue to work on their plan to destroy Israel and the US.
There is literally no winning with those types. Their current narrative is that this conflict is not justified. But if Trump decides to pull the plug, as they apparently want him to do, the tune will change to his having capitulated to Iran. He will be the TACO. And on and on it goes.
 
There is literally no winning with those types. Their current narrative is that this conflict is not justified. But if Trump decides to pull the plug, as they apparently want him to do, the tune will change to his having capitulated to Iran. He will be the TACO. And on and on it goes.
It's exhausting, I've had enough of all of this.
 
Doug...George...

Trump has painted himself into a corner...

as I don't believe Iran has to negotiate...they seem to have the upper hand right now...time is on their side...

if Trump walks away...and Iran keeps the Straight of Hormuz stays closed to International shipping...still allowing Iran to ship/sell their oil to the select groups they choose...while lining their pockets... it will put a stranglehold on the rest of the world...oil prices will continue to rise...their will be a bigger global crisis on oil than there is now...God bless the stock market...and the US will probably end up in a recession...

if Trump puts troops on the ground...it would probably be a disaster...with drones causing nightmarish casualties...gory and ghastly...

you keep saying Trump haters and fake news will influence his decision...
you should look at the polls on how America favors this war...
you can blame it on fake news...
but it's more than a majority of the US that views it negatively...lots of polls confirm this...

it may be too late...and I doubt it could happen now...but there might still be a way to negotiate...
 
Credit Israel for destroying or weakening their allies but I don’t believe this regime is going anywhere unless the Iranian people rise up. I firmly believe that in any dictatorial or autocratic regime, it is the people themselves that must do the work, not outside forces (who can help but can’t be the ones that do it).
I believe this too. At the end of the day, if we stone age them, still has to be new leadership emerge and right now the Republican Guard is killing them everytime they try to rise.
Tom
 
I thought I heard a snippet on the news that they found one of them and were using the transponder to find the other?
Yes, heard they had one safe, you expect them to be using the transponder to locate the other, there are pictures on the BBC of two choppers circling attached to a refueller, assuming they are waiting for the call and keeping the tanks topped up. I remember going on a course while serving, RM, where the talk was from a pilot who been shot down and had to eject, he mentioned the transponder was automated, as the aircrew could be unconscious. What they highlighted was it is an extremely rare event for a fighter aircrew to eject and it is something the training, any training, does not prepare you for. It was more likely than not the ejecting aircrew would suffer an injury while ejecting, which leads me to think how stressful it must be and the physical pressure on your body, dislocations, whiplash, banging yourself on the cockpit as you eject, etc. I only jumped out of an airplane as prepared to do so and in a controlled manner.

A question on the radio news phone in tonight was, If captured what is the legal status of the aircrew? As this not a 'war' in the conventional sense, self-declared by the US President, therefore not a conventional POW.
 
Yes, heard they had one safe, you expect them to be using the transponder to locate the other, there are pictures on the BBC of two choppers circling attached to a refueller, assuming they are waiting for the call and keeping the tanks topped up. I remember going on a course while serving, RM, where the talk was from a pilot who been shot down and had to eject, he mentioned the transponder was automated, as the aircrew could be unconscious. What they highlighted was it is an extremely rare event for a fighter aircrew to eject and it is something the training, any training, does not prepare you for. It was more likely than not the ejecting aircrew would suffer an injury while ejecting, which leads me to think how stressful it must be and the physical pressure on your body, dislocations, whiplash, banging yourself on the cockpit as you eject, etc. I only jumped out of an airplane as prepared to do so and in a controlled manner.

A question on the radio news phone in tonight was, If captured what is the legal status of the aircrew? As this not a 'war' in the conventional sense, self-declared by the US President, therefore not a conventional POW.
I think it would be in our favor if it was declared a war in this circumstance for one of our soldiers if captured…I believe a prisoner of war label would work in his favor… as I think they might be allowed to execute a terrorist… where if they followed the Geneva convention, I believe a POW has to be cared for if captured… not sure about any of this, it’s a total conjecture on my part from watching Hollywood movies… and that’s even if Iran even adheres to the Geneva Convention
 
this irks me to no end...

After a US jet was downed, Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf mocked Trump’s repeated claims of victory in the war.

“After defeating Iran 37 times in a row, this brilliant no-strategy war they started has now been downgraded from ‘regime change’ to ‘Hey! Can anyone find our pilots? Please?'” Ghalibaf wrote in a social media post....

then posting this picture...mocking the Generals that Hegseth fired...

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

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Not many Churchill's here. A government that kills 30-50,000 0f it's own people and sends proxies all over the world to destroy other countries for the last 50 years doesn't deserve to exist. And people that think we can co-exist with them are the same as the ones who kept giving in to Hitler and you saw where that got the world.
Mark
 
Doug...George...

Trump has painted himself into a corner...

as I don't believe Iran has to negotiate...they seem to have the upper hand right now...time is on their side...

if Trump walks away...and Iran keeps the Straight of Hormuz stays closed to International shipping...still allowing Iran to ship/sell their oil to the select groups they choose...while lining their pockets... it will put a stranglehold on the rest of the world...oil prices will continue to rise...their will be a bigger global crisis on oil than there is now...God bless the stock market...and the US will probably end up in a recession...

if Trump puts troops on the ground...it would probably be a disaster...with drones causing nightmarish casualties...gory and ghastly...

you keep saying Trump haters and fake news will influence his decision...
you should look at the polls on how America favors this war...
you can blame it on fake news...
but it's more than a majority of the US that views it negatively...lots of polls confirm this...

it may be too late...and I doubt it could happen now...but there might still be a way to negotiate...
Again, what do you think should be done? Iran was developing a nuclear weapon. They expressed a desire to destroy the US and Israel. US presidents have tried for 50 years to negotiate with Iran. Nothing has deterred them from a policy of terrorism. Instead of just opposing Trump and citing polls, what is the policy that you support to deal with Iran? What exactly are they going to negotiate? These are fanatics. It would never have reached this point if they were reasonable people with whom we could negotiate.
 
They shot missiles at Turkey.
Mark
Yes but there is no proof they aimed at Turkey, the, Turkish government just said in a statement they 'enterered Turkisk Airspace' and they have not said they were aimed at Turkey is vastly in Asia, not Europe, Turkey is 97% in Asia and 3% in Europe [very small in the West, and there is a very large River dividing the parts, iran is over 820 miles away, shot them at the Eastern part of Turkey, withing 20 miles of the Iranian Border, which is in Asia, not Europe. This is basic geography, you can see it all on maps.

I will let you into a little secret, they 'hide' all this information and knowledge in things called books and on the internet, try some 'research' before trying to justify a with a comment that was wrong or were you just spreading/starting fake news.
 
Yes but there is no proof they aimed at Turkey, the, Turkish government just said in a statement they 'enterered Turkisk Airspace' and they have not said they were aimed at Turkey is vastly in Asia, not Europe, Turkey is 97% in Asia and 3% in Europe [very small in the West, and there is a very large River dividing the parts, iran is over 820 miles away, shot them at the Eastern part of Turkey, withing 20 miles of the Iranian Border, which is in Asia, not Europe. This is basic geography, you can see it all on maps.

I will let you into a little secret, they 'hide' all this information and knowledge in things called books and on the internet, try some 'research' before trying to justify a with a comment that was wrong or were you just spreading/starting fake news.
 
this irks me to no end...

After a US jet was downed, Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf mocked Trump’s repeated claims of victory in the war.

“After defeating Iran 37 times in a row, this brilliant no-strategy war they started has now been downgraded from ‘regime change’ to ‘Hey! Can anyone find our pilots? Please?'” Ghalibaf wrote in a social media post....

then posting this picture...mocking the Generals that Hegseth fired...

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Why did this bother you so much? You cannot be such a snowflake that a bit of mocking gets you angry, wait until someone shows you Saturday Night Live.

Why are you not angry at the lies they are mocking sprouted by Trump and Hegseth. Get some real perspective and be angry that they murdered over 160 children in a school, the launching of an attack/war in the Style of Pearl Harbour, one could say a terrorist attack, without the good grace to inform your allies, both in NATO and in the region. The continual lies about why, lies about the damage they have done and how the Iranians have no airforce and/or navy, they have destroyed it, then who is blocking the straits or shooting down $100 million dollar aircraft [now 2 we know of] or striking airbases, one thing for sure, it is not Paw Patrol doing it.

In the attack a few months ago, Trump insisted they had destroy Iranian nuclear capabilities for decades, so was he lying then or is he lying now?

Trump never thinks things through, he is like a man who has painted the floor and has painted himself into a corner, has no plan to get out and unlike in most previous things, he cannot do his normal TACO stance and claim victory. Difference here is it is not paint, but more likely blood and not that of him or his family, but of others and could include a lot of Americans and has certainly included the blood of children.

I miss the great presidents, Bush Snr, OBama, Reagan, Kennedy, Adams and many more. Plus leaders, such as McCain, John Lewis, read a book on Henry Clay from Kentucky, never won the top job but was a great leader.
 
I am in no way trivializing the loss of that jet.

I am thankful for the safe return of 1 of the crew and I hope the other crew member is found safely soon.

However, in this new age of constant commercialized media I can’t help but wonder what WW2 would have been like if we had this same type of instant access to information in the 1940’s?

In conflict/wars combatants die. It is amazing to me that today’s media report this fact as some sort of new phenomenon.
 
Again, what do you think should be done? Iran was developing a nuclear weapon. They expressed a desire to destroy the US and Israel. US presidents have tried for 50 years to negotiate with Iran. Nothing has deterred them from a policy of terrorism. Instead of just opposing Trump and citing polls, what is the policy that you support to deal with Iran? What exactly are they going to negotiate? These are fanatics. It would never have reached this point if they were reasonable people with whom we could negotiate.
They were negociating with the Iranian regime, in 2018 under the previous Trump government a report said the Iranians were holding up their end of the agreement they had, so they were reasonable, the reason they might be be now is they are being attacked and trump is lying about negociating. Plus not great diplomacy to be bombing a country and then complaining why they will not negocate. Might be good to stop the bombing and then talk, why does someone not ask the israeli's to tell the Americans to stop the bombing, the Israel's are incharge, in this situation America is Israel's B*t*h.
 
I suppose Turkey somehow does not count, nor does the jointly held US/UK base they fired a rocket at as well, doesn't fit the "The US started this war without checking with NATO first that it was ok to do so" narrative.
Agree, but think it was the israeli's [and their leader, who when out of power has a few court cases to go too, for corruption] that fooled Trump into the war, together with it being a distraction from the Epstein/Trump files, ICE interventions, the tariffs, the taking way of millions of Americans Healthcare, a stagnant economy, destruction of the White House [the symbol of America], prices rising, oh and nearly forgot, possibly the largest levels of corruption ever in US Government history and the shear amount of national debt, which is growing, the US has to the rest of the world.
 

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