US/Israel Launches Op Epic Fury Against Iran (2 Viewers)

[mikemiller1955]

The reports on both CNN and FOX indicate that Iran had a list of 10 requests/concessions and Trump indicated it was a good starting point for negotiations, so he called off the strikes, not sure what you wanted him to do, go ahead with them anyway to prove he was serious?

THEY CAME TO HIM, so he called off the attack, it had nothing to do with the 25th amendment or impeachment or him realizing he doesn't have the support he thought

you’re asking me what I wanted him to do…please no…I have no idea…he got himself into this mess…I don’t have a clue how to get him out… a lot of people on here are suggesting to just drop a bunch of bombs on them and let God sort them out… maybe they could give you better guidance than me … I have none…sorry…

But you could be right…maybe Iran thought the fifth time was for real…so they might be scrambling frantically to work things out…now that they know they only got two more weeks until their annihilation and the end of their civilization might start up again?

The Thanksgiving turkey probably won’t get pardoned again… better jump on this 6th chance if they know what’s good for them…

Or maybe Trump realized that bombing them wasn't such a good idea after all and just called the whole thing off himself giving Iran another two weeks…and buying himself a little more time to get out of this mess and save face…

But I’m sticking with threat of an impeachment or the 25th amendment or his political support declining…or committing political suicide on the November elections…

though Iran is supposedly begging to make a deal according to him…just like China did on the tariffs

Who knows?…………Not me………..

 

[Horus]

Yes, but I’d like to think there is a difference between the US and a repressive regime like Iran.

Using the same type of language appears to have had the effect on the Iranians of getting them to the table, though since they've come with the same demands, it'll be a surprise if they're still talking in two weeks.

Still, getting ships through will help many countries now in dire straits if the flow is allowed, but if still being menaced or having to pay extortion, won't work for long.

 

[Warrior]

You listen to Fox so that’s the slant you will get.

I also listen to CNN; I use the theory of one network has one version, the other has another version, somewhere in the middle is the truth.

Regardless of who did what, both sides appear to be willing to negotiate as in the past, Iran kept telling the US to go pound sand.

To me, it does not matter how a deal gets done as long as it gets done; if Trumps threat to bomb them off the face of the earth is what got China and Pakistan to be the voices of reason, the threat worked now didn't it.

 

[Warrior]

"But I’m sticking with threat of an impeachment or the 25th amendment or his political support declining…or committing political suicide on the November elections…"..............

Whatever helps you sleep at night as the saying goes.

His political support IS declining and he's already committed political suicide on the November elections, gas prices are out of control, if he's lucky, they will stabilize by the Fall, far too late for him, prices on all consumer goods are up, as in way up and aren't coming down anytime soon.

Imagine 6 weeks for gas to go up 1.50 a gallon, 6 months for them to come down; nothing to see here, move along.

We live in a totally different world today, wars are won and lost based on the price of gas, how much groceries cost and how the stock market is doing, again these are the things people care about.

The average US citizen on the street does not care that Iran was "close" to developing 10 atomic bombs and lobbing them at Israel and the US, they care that it now costs them an extra 30.00 a week to get to and from work and their cheeseburger, fries and 9 Coors Lights at Not your Average Joes' now costs an extra 15.00.

Good to know the average US citizen has their priorities straight.

And if the 25th amendment was not used on Biden after his disastrous performance in the presidential debate/showing CLEAR signs of cognitive decline, it will never be used, but the half of the country who opposes Trump and hates him with every ounce of their being can always wish in one hand, hope in the other.

Once Trump is finally out of office, millions of Americans will go into a deep depression having no one to direct their hate towards, maybe they will all take up toy soldier collecting and myself and the remaining dealers who are left standing will rake in the dough.

 

[Panzer ace]

To change the thread a bit, does anyone know what was used to shoot down the F15 and other US aircraft in Iran? There was a news story as well that an A10 Warthog was shot down around the same time and the pilot was rescued. I am not thinking like the beginning of the book [and film] Flight of the Intruder, where some guy just points his rifle up and take a potshot....or maybe they did. Was there something more, i have a feeling there are 10s of thousands of shoulder launched SAMs there.

According to international news reports (not CNN or FoxNews) they were shot down by shoulder fired missiles.

CNN probably thinks the Iranians brought them down by holding hands in a circle and chanting peaceful songs about hope.

FoxNews will say they were not shot down, they crashed on purpose to prove America’s rescue capabilities.

 

[Terp152]

all I can say is...

I pay my debts...

the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), negotiated under President Barack Obama,
included key restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program that were scheduled to last for 10 to 15 years...expiring in 2025 or 2030...

3 years later...in 2018...

Donald Trump sought to renegotiate the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), commonly known as the Iran nuclear deal, before ultimately withdrawing the United States from it in May 2018.

We had a deal...Trump squashed it...

3 months ago on January 16, 2016, the International Atomic Energy Agency verified that Iran has completed the necessary steps under the Iran deal that will ensure Iran's nuclear program is and remains exclusively peaceful.​

JCPOA was dead. Iran announced rejection of the limitations on numbers of advanced centrifuges and enriched Uranium.

 

[mikemiller1955]

I can't make heads or tails on what each side expects in the cease fire negotiations...
but I am delighted there is a temporary cease fire and that the Straight of Hormuz may open up...
seems to be the consensus of investors are happy also...
the economy needed some good news...

 

[Warrior]

I can't make heads or tails on what each side expects in the cease fire negotiations...
but I am delighted there is a temporary cease fire and that the Straight of Hormuz may open up...
seems to be the consensus of investors are happy also...
the economy needed some good news...

Saw this post on another platform;

"I don't get any of this, as I understand it, here is where things sit;

Pre war, 1. Khomeini was the leader 2. No control over strait 3. US has sanctions on Iran. 4. Iran had 60% enriched uranium.

Post war, 1. Same regime 2. Fee for strait passage 3. Removal of US sanctions 4. They get to keep enriched uranium.

All they lost is infrastructure and war machines. With the sanction removals and strait fees they will be a super rich country, more so than other gulf nation, which will allow them to purchase more weapons from china and russia. So this is actually a jackpot for them. On the other hand US didn't get anything and spent a fortune waging a war and also the loss of service personnel lives.

So Iran is the clear winner here??"

Feel free to counter any of this.

 

[Warrior]

Oh and Trump is whacking any country that sells arms to Iran with a 50% tariff................one of the countries reported to be selling weapons to Iran is.............................China.

Here we go again.

 

[Barkmann]

If the peace holds, it is a definate win for the rest of us, safety and economically, both sides will claim a big, so big, win, wonder just who will be the fastest to get their side of things out there. No matter what, it will light years faster than the fuel companies bringing their prices down at the Gas/Petrol stations.

Know there are way differing views in the world about government interference or involvement in peoples lives and/or private businesses, but they should be looking at why [well should be how it is justified] fuel going up like a rocket in a crisis, but when the crisis is over, prices come down as fast as an asthmatic tortoise coming home from the shops carrying a couple of heavy full shopping bags.

 

[mikemiller1955]

If the peace holds, it is a definate win for the rest of us, safety and economically, both sides will claim a big, so big, win, wonder just who will be the fastest to get their side of things out there. No matter what, it will light years faster than the fuel companies bringing their prices down at the Gas/Petrol stations.

Know there are way differing views in the world about government interference or involvement in peoples lives and/or private businesses, but they should be looking at why [well should be how it is justified] fuel going up like a rocket in a crisis, but when the crisis is over, prices come down as fast as an asthmatic tortoise coming home from the shops carrying a couple of heavy full shopping bags.

prices come down as fast as an asthmatic tortoise coming home from the shops carrying a couple of heavy full shopping bags...

 

[Horus]

Saw this post on another platform;

"I don't get any of this, as I understand it, here is where things sit;

Pre war, 1. Khomeini was the leader 2. No control over strait 3. US has sanctions on Iran. 4. Iran had 60% enriched uranium.

Post war, 1. Same regime 2. Fee for strait passage 3. Removal of US sanctions 4. They get to keep enriched uranium.

All they lost is infrastructure and war machines. With the sanction removals and strait fees they will be a super rich country, more so than other gulf nation, which will allow them to purchase more weapons from china and russia. So this is actually a jackpot for them. On the other hand US didn't get anything and spent a fortune waging a war and also the loss of service personnel lives.

So Iran is the clear winner here??"

Feel free to counter any of this.

The ceasefire is pretty fragile and all that's being pushed by the msm is anti Trump, anti Israel Iranian propaganda.

 

[jazzeum]

Saw this post on another platform;

"I don't get any of this, as I understand it, here is where things sit;

Pre war, 1. Khomeini was the leader 2. No control over strait 3. US has sanctions on Iran. 4. Iran had 60% enriched uranium.

Post war, 1. Same regime 2. Fee for strait passage 3. Removal of US sanctions 4. They get to keep enriched uranium.

All they lost is infrastructure and war machines. With the sanction removals and strait fees they will be a super rich country, more so than other gulf nation, which will allow them to purchase more weapons from china and russia. So this is actually a jackpot for them. On the other hand US didn't get anything and spent a fortune waging a war and also the loss of service personnel lives.

So Iran is the clear winner here??"

Feel free to counter any of this.

There are no winners here, as in most wars. The US Israeli relationship is probably damaged some and living/investing in places like Dubai or Qatar is not as safe as it used to be. Image of US, shaky already, is further damaged. I could go on but no need.

 

[Warrior]

Multiple sources are now reporting Israel has lobbed missiles at Lebanon, one of Iran's allies, so Iran has closed the strait of Hormuz.

That didn't last long.

 

[jazzeum]

Technically, Lebanon is not an Iranian ally but Hezbollah, which has an outsized role in Lebanese politics, is.

Be that as it may, Pakistan and Iran insist that Lebanon was included in the ceasefire but the US disagrees. I don’t know if they reduce these agreements to writing but that is a serious misunderstanding, basically rendering the ceasefire agreement null.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Technically, Lebanon is not an Iranian ally but Hezbollah, which has an outsized role in Lebanese politics, is.

Be that as it may, Pakistan and Iran insist that Lebanon was included in the ceasefire but the US disagrees. I don’t know if they reduce these agreements to writing but that is a serious misunderstanding, basically rendering the ceasefire agreement null.

Israel has already said they disagree with that too...but Trump could veto Netanyahu's wishes...

one stickler I see that I would not accept...is the removal of all US bases in the Middle East...no way!

 

[tdubel]

Israel has already said they disagree with that too...but Trump could veto Netanyahu's wishes...

one stickler I see that I would not accept...is the removal of all US bases in the Middle East...no way!

Agree wholeheartedly with base statement. Here is another issue that burns me - Lebanon is controlled by the Iranians, so you can't say you want a cease fire and continue to attack Israel. What do you think Israel is going to do??? And you have an idiot channel on tv saying Israel are the bad guys. I mean do they actually think anyone with a brain believes that crap. I get so sick of the blatant and I am going to call it what it is - ANTI SEMITISM that is constantly espoused overtly, veiled, etc. And you wonder why there are some that want Iran bombed to the stone age, Iran leadership are like roaches, the only way to rid them is to literally rid them. They are never going to want to coexist with anyone. The reason they want those US Bases gone is so they can go back to threatening and bullying their neighbors. Part of me wishes the Saudis would just bomb them too.

Tom

 

[mikemiller1955]

As U.S. and Iran agree to a ceasefire, what's actually in the deal — and will it last?

The temporary truce comes more than a month after the U.S. and Israel started the war on Iran on Feb. 28, triggering a wider conflict in the region.

www.nbcnews.com

sadly...I would be surprised if anything came of the peace talks with Iran...

Iran's 10 point plan has a lot of polar opposites than the US 15 point plan...

the "cease fire" is still firing...not on Iran...but just today as Israel has already struck Lebanon with it's largest wave ever...

and the passage of further tankers “was halted” because of Israel’s fresh strikes on Lebanon...

Iran threatened to suspend traffic through the Strait of Hormuz in response to Israel’s attacks on Lebanon, according to Fars, a semi-official news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps...and they did...

this is not off to a good start...

 

[mikemiller1955]

Agree wholeheartedly with base statement. Here is another issue that burns me - Lebanon is controlled by the Iranians, so you can't say you want a cease fire and continue to attack Israel. What do you think Israel is going to do??? And you have an idiot channel on tv saying Israel are the bad guys. I mean do they actually think anyone with a brain believes that crap. I get so sick of the blatant and I am going to call it what it is - ANTI SEMITISM that is constantly espoused overtly, veiled, etc. And you wonder why there are some that want Iran bombed to the stone age, Iran leadership are like roaches, the only way to rid them is to literally rid them. They are never going to want to coexist with anyone. The reason they want those US Bases gone is so they can go back to threatening and bullying their neighbors. Part of me wishes the Saudis would just bomb them too.

Tom

Tom...yes...I pity Israel...and understand Netanyahu's desire to rid the Middle East of all terroristic enemies...but it might jeopardize the peace talks...

 

[Combat]

Trump does his best to allow others to make a deal. Are the Iranians going to do that? Who knows? But Trump has bent over backwards to give them that opportunity. He is working for a win-win instead of a lose-lose. If it doesn't work, and he has to bring down the hammer, no one can say they were not given multiple opportunities to save themselves.