What is the maximum amount of money you would spend on a retired King and Country set (2 Viewers)

[glossman]

For me it has always been the hunt, and the story behind the piece that creates the true value of the piece in a collection. Anyone with $$$ can simply go out and buy a collection.....but what would the items really mean to him?

My most prized possestions are items with a really interesting story behind them. Some of them are simply items I have hunted for for years like Nabisco Spoonmen. Others like Andy's Arnhem 44 show diorama are special not only because it was the last diorama he personally made, but the fact that it took me over 2 years to acquite the piece after I first saw it.

I picked it up rather unexpectily while buying another item from a dealer friend, who took special care to insure that it arrived in excellent condition. I then learned its history with the help of Andy (who provided a photo of him with the piece at the show) Louis who provided backround, and Steven who filled in the various collectors that had the piece at one time or another. That history imparts the real value on an item, for it is greater then a simple dollar amount, and cannot be purchased simply with a checkbook.

Sometimes an entire collection can be built around one special piece. It might not be the most valuable, often it has special meaning and is most prized by the collector for that reason.

Hi njja,

I like your reasoned approach. It makes good sense to me.

The value of a set/figure cannot be measured entirely in terms of dollars, euros or whichever currency.

This applies not only to K&C, but other manufacturers as well.

If a particular set/figure is of special historical significance and/or personal meaning, then I would be prepared go the distance for it.

Best Regards, Raymond.

 

[Njja]

Raymond, thanks how nice to be able to speak with collectors from all around

the world!

 

[Vezzolf]

Depends on the item; but I personally would never be foolish enough to get price gouged.....Too many new and better products to choose from these days.

 

[marco55]

.....Too many new and better products to choose from these days.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this as figures that I had 6-7 years ago that I thought were great look so so when compared to the figures today.
Mark

 

[Njja]

Depends on the item; but I personally would never be foolish enough to get price gouged.....Too many new and better products to choose from these days.

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Why not simply say you would not buy a retired item?

Why must you always call others foolish, and use the term gouged when

someone chooses to buy a retired item?

I have spent a fair amount on quite a few long retired items, and have yet

to feel anything other then happy with any deal I made to acquite a rare

piece.

No need to continue to be harsh on other collectors behavior.

We all know by now what your buying habits are.

 

[SteveDavid]

Which are???

Based on the reply I cannot identify his buying habits but look forward to your explanation.

I guess the answer to the question raised is relative - 1000$ is not the same amount of money for everyone.

I was hunting for the K&C Vietnam range and would have paid crazy prices to get these sets...

 

[tdubel]

Which are???

Based on the reply I cannot identify his buying habits but look forward to your explanation.

I guess the answer to the question raised is relative - 1000$ is not the same amount of money for everyone.

I was hunting for the K&C Vietnam range and would have paid crazy prices to get these sets...

Steve,

you must not follow the board. Vezz is and always has been very clear on his views on prices paid for K&C retired pieces on ebay. I believe he takes the ribbing from other board members in a good nature as likewise his ribbing back on the topic is always taken in a good nature (at least by me). You can't fault a guy who sticks to his guns, I truly believe he really feels ebay prices are gouging, I may not always agree with that, but he sticks to that conviction, I respect that.

So, as to the comment on buying habits, I believe this is what Njja is referring to. There lies your explanation.

I could make the same gouging argument (because its my opinion) on the new lightweight stug model just like it is Vezz's opinion on ebay pricing of K&C retired vehicles. You may disagree, but it is all in someone else's perspective and opinion.

Tom

 

[Njja]

Which are???

Based on the reply I cannot identify his buying habits but look forward to your explanation.

I guess the answer to the question raised is relative - 1000$ is not the same amount of money for everyone.

I was hunting for the K&C Vietnam range and would have paid crazy prices to get these sets...

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Normally I just speak for myself, however in answer to your question this

individul has constantly reminded us he chooses only to pay retail or less.

I agree, money would appear to be relative to the individuals ability to make

it, with that being said I have found it also depends on your history. To me

$200 is a lot of money! It always was my weekend money for family activities.

Today while it is no longer a significant amount to me personally, I still look

at it as I did many years ago. I find this interesting as my father has the same

feeling about $5! That is the amount he used to earn with his truck

carrying a load of block from Lynhurst to Princeton back in the 1940's!

As to your last comment, I agree it really depends on the item. Which is the

main reason I keep up with current values to assist me when I am considering

adding another item to the collection.

 

[sammy719]

I spent a little over 400 for the K&C winter tiger, (my favorite piece) and I can't see going that much over on any purchase, I really want to buy the WS037 Krupp truck set, but can't see paying 400-500 for it, it's all about how bad you want it, I remember a Westcoaster show a older gent dropped a couple grand on a WWII dio from Gordan like it was chump change of course wishing I was he...Sammy

 

[Vezzolf]

I'm sorry but this thread itself asks a "foolish" question.....It's like the car saleman who asks the silly question: "so how much do you want to spend on this car?"......or.... so what do you do for a living?..or..How much do you have to spend?...etc etc.......Give me a break......Whether my income is High or Low is not the main issue in my decision making.....If I make a foolish purchase and overpay for a retired item I would consider myself foolish.....irregardless... period......Just because someone says a retired item is worth some ridiculous price does not make it truth......Someone needs to say...."Hey the emperor is not wearing any clothes"....especially...when he's butt naked.....Therefore as I said "it depends"........There are "very very few" retired K/C items for which I would overpay..$200-250 or so......Today we have other and better options from more manufacturers who are producing excellent alternatives to K/C retired items......IMHO

 

[tdubel]

I'm sorry but this thread itself asks a "foolish" question.....It's like the car saleman who asks the silly question: "so how much do you want to spend on this car?"......or.... so what do you do for a living?..or..How much do you have to spend?...etc etc.......Give me a break......Whether my income is High or Low is not the main issue in my decision making.....If I make a foolish purchase and overpay for a retired item I would consider myself foolish.....irregardless... period......Just because someone says a retired item is worth some ridiculous price does not make it truth......Someone needs to say...."Hey the emperor is not wearing any clothes"....especially...when he's butt naked.....Therefore as I said "it depends"........There are "very very few" retired K/C items for which I would overpay..$200-250 or so......Today we have other and better options from more manufacturers who are producing excellent alternatives to K/C retired items......IMHO

Like I complimented you earlier....folks... the man sticks to his guns, hard to argue with that. of course IMHO, there are some that are worth more than 250 and I don't think they are ridiculous But like he says, you are the only one who has to be happy after a purchase!

Agree, this post borders on rhetorically ridiculous.

TD

 

[jazzeum]

Not sure I understand Frank's post although his position is well known.

Nice alliteration by Tom though

 

[tdubel]

Like I complimented you earlier....folks... the man sticks to his guns, hard to argue with that. of course IMHO, there are some that are worth more than 250 and I don't think they are ridiculous But like he says, you are the only one who has to be happy after a purchase!

Agree, this post borders on rhetorically ridiculous.

TD

Post is correct above, yet, should have said:

Agree, this entire thread borders on rhetorically ridiculous.

 

[damian]

Post is correct above, yet, should have said:

Agree, this entire thread borders on rhetorically ridiculous.

How about" really rhetorically ridiculous"

 

[Njja]

I don't know its simply a question. While the answer may appear silly to

some, others may find it interesting. Since I have been collecting for quite

awhile I have seen many different types of collectors. Many have different

styles of collecting and a wide variety of tastes. Most start out quietly and

try to gain knowledge as they build their collection. Some go for quanity,

while others go for a nice selection of difficult to obtain items. Its not always

how much money a person is willing to spend, even though I have seen a

few people attempt the instant collection. Most of the well respected

people have spent time and effort to build their collection and these are

the people other collectors usually respect the most.

With that thought in mind, the initial question is a reasonable starting

point that may offer some information other collectors may find usefull.

 

[SteveDavid]

Steve,

you must not follow the board. Vezz is and always has been very clear on his views on prices paid for K&C retired pieces on ebay. I believe he takes the ribbing from other board members in a good nature as likewise his ribbing back on the topic is always taken in a good nature (at least by me). You can't fault a guy who sticks to his guns, I truly believe he really feels ebay prices are gouging, I may not always agree with that, but he sticks to that conviction, I respect that.

So, as to the comment on buying habits, I believe this is what Njja is referring to. There lies your explanation.

I could make the same gouging argument (because its my opinion) on the new lightweight stug model just like it is Vezz's opinion on ebay pricing of K&C retired vehicles. You may disagree, but it is all in someone else's perspective and opinion.

Tom

You right, I am not often on this part of the board.

Don't understand why you wrote the last paragraph (what has the Stug to do with this I wonder) and why you intervened when I simply asked how Njja could make up Vezz' buying habits just from that post. That was all.

 

[tdubel]

You right, I am not often on this part of the board.

Don't understand why you wrote the last paragraph (what has the Stug to do with this I wonder) and why you intervened when I simply asked how Njja could make up Vezz' buying habits just from that post. That was all.

I used it as an example of opinions that are of a differing nature. It is pretty clear it was a compare and contrast example. Also, Vezz has been a member of the board for a long time, as I said, his stance is his stance, it has not changed much over time.

Tom

 

[Spitfrnd]

....I could make the same gouging argument (because its my opinion) on the new lightweight stug model just like it is Vezz's opinion on ebay pricing of K&C retired vehicles. You may disagree, but it is all in someone else's perspective and opinion.

Tom

It is obviously a truism to say what one will pay or considers something worth is in a person's own perspective. However, the attempted analogy to a current retail item of ground breaking detail which obviously cost quite a bit to develop and produce is frankly just plain inapt and suggests some malevolent intent. There are so many better ways to make your point that do not involve insult to a well respected manufacturer and its collectors that I really wonder why you found it necessary to phrase your comment this way. It was certainly not necessary to express your opinion.

 

[G.I. Joe]

I hope I haven't made anyone mad about the poll. I have been looking at it occasionally but I didn't have any time to post because I have been overloaded with work recentley. I was shocked to see how many responses I had though! I should have been monitoring it because it was my poll, so I take full responsibility for it and want to say that I am sorry.

 

[jazzeum]

I don't think there is any need to apologize. You asked a good question. It's just that many of us have different opinions about it