Who Really Killed John F. Kennedy (1 Viewer)

Glad we are back to the beginning and the same place the rest of the Country is. "People are going to believe what they want to believe". We are still in the same place and that is probably the correct one on this subject.

Take a poll, probably reflective of the USA - even split on what happened.

TD
 
tdubel said:
Glad we are back to the beginning and the same place the rest of the Country is. "People are going to believe what they want to believe". We are still in the same place and that is probably the correct one on this subject.

Take a poll, probably reflective of the USA - even split on what happened.

TD
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If you took a poll in the 15th century asking if the earth is flat, 99% would say that it was. However, that doesn't make it so or create any doubt about the facts. You don't arrive at reasoned conclusions based upon popular opinion but rather scientific evidence. Simply saying we don't really know what happened without formulating some explanation for the mountain of evidence implicating Oswald is nothing more than an unsupported opinion. It is not a reasoned conclusion based in reality. Although you may not care for Bugliosi, he is not the only one to conclude that Oswald is responsible. Every official investigation has done so. The Warren Commission, Dallas Police, FBI, Secret Service, Gerald Posner, ABC (take a few minutes and watch their documentary). No one else has been implicated in 50 years. The evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Oswald and Oswald alone was responsible. Others may have a subjective reason for rejecting that conclusion but it's not based on the evidence in this case. It's based on speculation and conjecture often at odds with the facts. We can go round and round forever without convincing one another but the bottom line is this case is closed and no one other than Oswald has ever been implicated. If 99% of the public believe otherwise, they are simply wrong and it doesn't change what actually happened one bit.
 
Combat said:
If you took a poll in the 15th century asking if the earth is flat, 99% would say that it was. However, that doesn't make it so or create any doubt about the facts. You don't arrive at reasoned conclusions based upon popular opinion but rather scientific evidence. Simply saying we don't really know what happened without formulating some explanation for the mountain of evidence implicating Oswald is nothing more than an unsupported opinion. It is not a reasoned conclusion based in reality. Although you may not care for Bugliosi, he is not the only one to conclude that Oswald is responsible. Every official investigation has done so. The Warren Commission, Dallas Police, FBI, Secret Service, Gerald Posner, ABC (take a few minutes and watch their documentary). No one else has been implicated in 50 years. The evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Oswald and Oswald alone was responsible. Others may have a subjective reason for rejecting that conclusion but it's not based on the evidence in this case. It's based on speculation and conjecture often at odds with the facts. We can go round and round forever without convincing one another but the bottom line is this case is closed and no one other than Oswald has ever been implicated. If 99% of the public believe otherwise, they are simply wrong and it doesn't change what actually happened one bit.
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Doug,
Since you seem to want to constantly target me on this thread, here is my last response b/c honestly, this (point of my last post) is a waste of typing to debate this issue. I am not even sure what I really believe happened that day other than Kennedy was killed. Point is, there are many facts and interpretations out there, it is a divided issue and probably always will be. You think you are 100% right, good, your opinion/conclusions and facts, so be it. I don't have an argument with that. My opinion is not 100% strong as yours.

So we are at the age old crossroads I described earlier, basically, who cares? One side will continue to think the other side is wrong. I think you just have to live with that fact, which by you last post seems to bother you greatly. There are experts on both sides, you have picked the facts you believe in, so enjoy them, it is like anything else, not everyone agrees and you should respect that dialogue, that is America ain't it?

Again, I don't have a full opinion one way or the other on what happened in Dallas other than he was killed. I don't fully buy into the Warren Commission nor do I fully buy into the Conspiracy theory. I do know that both sides have their kooks and both sides have integrity and facts. I don't discount either.

TD
 
I find it absurd that now they are going with an 11. Second timeframe for the shots to be fired.how you go from 6 seconds to 11 is interesting indeed. !!!
 
There is a two-hour show starting at 7 tonight and then the new show referenced above at 9PM. The 48th anniversary of the assassination is this week.
 
Combat said:
National Geographic is airing a new show on Sunday at 9PM on the JFK assassination: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...hows-oswald-acted-alone-in-jfk-assassination/
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Watched The Lost Bullet. Found it very well done and convincing, especially the laser re-enactment of the 'magic bullet' (bullet #2) that hit both Kennedy and Connoly. The argument that bullet #1 was fired earlier than anyone really thought was also very convincing although the richochet factor wasn't really all that convincing to me. That first bullet could have gone anywhere. Still, I liked the show and thought it a nail in the coffin of the two shooter theory. -- Al
 
lancer said:
Watched The Lost Bullet. Found it very well done and convincing, especially the laser re-enactment of the 'magic bullet' (bullet #2) that hit both Kennedy and Connoly. The argument that bullet #1 was fired earlier than anyone really thought was also very convincing although the richochet factor wasn't really all that convincing to me. That first bullet could have gone anywhere. Still, I liked the show and thought it a nail in the coffin of the two shooter theory. -- Al
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The History Channel just ran the 2003 ABC documentary on the assassination. That is a scathing indictment of the conspiracy theories. It's also worth watching if you have any interest in the case. Among the many images of that day, the one that sticks with me is of a ten year old girl in a red dress and white sweater who is running down the Elm St. sidewalk following the JFK car. You can see her on the Zapruder film. That brief run starts on a sunny day in one era of American history and ends in another when she stops in response to the shots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1PbgeBoQ4
 
Secret Service agent Clint Hill has a new book coming out in April. He was the SS agent that climbed onto the trunk of the JFK car just after the fatal shot. He is also doing a book tour and will be NYC on April 5 (Barnes & Noble); Dallas on April 19. Likely the last opportunity to meet a participant in this event.
 
Combat said:
Secret Service agent Clint Hill has a new book coming out in April. He was the SS agent that climbed onto the trunk of the JFK car just after the fatal shot. He is also doing a book tour and will be NYC on April 5 (Barnes & Noble); Dallas on April 19. Likely the last opportunity to meet a participant in this event.
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What does he say about the various conspiracy theories or do we have to wait to get hold of the book?
 
damian said:
What does he say about the various conspiracy theories or do we have to wait to get hold of the book?
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He was on CNN last night. He was asked about the conspiracy theories and said
1) no conspiracy 2) three shots from the Texas School Book Depository; and 3) Lee Harvey Oswald was the shooter.

Only a small part of the book is devoted to the assassination. Most of it is about his time protecting Jackie Kennedy.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...ill-on-the-day-jfk-was-killed/?iref=allsearch
 
I see another poor soul connected to the JFK assasination has been mysteriously "rubbed out" in the prime of life. Earl Rose, Dallas County Cororner, has died at the age of 85, from complications of Parkinson's .....yeah sure. :rolleyes2: ..... looks like we'll never know the real truth of the events of Nov. 22, 1963? :rolleyes2::wink2:

B.
 
Interesting article in USA Today:

WASHINGTON — An off-white jacket. A casual long-sleeve shirt. A turquoise- and-orange wool blanket. A wallet that contains a Social Security card and family snapshots.

While these relics from the early '60s sound like everyday items, they are priceless pieces of history tied to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Beginning April 12, visitors to the Newseum in the nation's capital will have the rare chance to view these never-before-displayed artifacts belonging to Lee Harvey Oswald, the presumed gunman, as part of an exhibit marking the 50th anniversary of JFK's death. Oswald, who wore the shirt and carried the wallet when he was arrested on Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas, was himself shot and killed two days later by Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby, a crime that was caught live on TV.

The jacket was found at a gas station near the Texas Theater, where Oswald was captured. Oswald's rifle, which was kept wrapped in the blanket in a friend's garage, was found at the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas shortly after JFK was shot.

"This is a pretty incredible opportunity to work with the National Archives and be able to display these pieces," says Carrie Christoffersen, Newseum curator and director of collections.

Christoffersen says the purpose of "Three Shots Were Fired," an exhibit of more than 100 artifacts, including the first UPI report about the attack on the presidential motorcade, "is to tell the story of how news media responded and how it fulfilled its responsibility to the public. It was a unique time in American and journalism history. The shooting led to unprecedented TV coverage over four days on the networks commercial-free. This was at a time when nightly newscasts had only just expanded from 15 minutes to a half-hour."
 
A picture of my daughter with Clint Hill the last surviving person from the JFK limo in Dallas. He ran from the follow up car to the Presidential limo just moments after the fatal shot. Quite a contrast from that day.

 
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