Who Really Killed John F. Kennedy (2 Viewers)

[PanzerAce1944]

This recently released book "DEAD WRONG" gives some well documented and backed up facts pertaining to the crime of the 20th century. Lists a total of at least 9 shots fired on that day.
Clint Hill is a great American but, once a secret service agent.....always a government agent responsible to act in the official name of the government. This book gives clear, common sense
fact checking and gives the back up information to prove the information makes real sense. The Zapruder film is one piece of evidence that has escaped tampering of the final last head shot
and clearly shows the head of JFK being hit from the right front, pushing his head backwards and pushing brain matter out the back side of the skull. Simple law of physics.

 

[Combat]

This recently released book "DEAD WRONG" gives some well documented and backed up facts pertaining to the crime of the 20th century. Lists a total of at least 9 shots fired on that day.
Clint Hill is a great American but, once a secret service agent.....always a government agent responsible to act in the official name of the government. This book gives clear, common sense
fact checking and gives the back up information to prove the information makes real sense. The Zapruder film is one piece of evidence that has escaped tampering of the final last head shot
and clearly shows the head of JFK being hit from the right front, pushing his head backwards and pushing brain matter out the back side of the skull. Simple law of physics.

9 shots! That's like the OK corral. Amazing that 90% of the witnesses heard three shots or less.

 

[RPZ]

9 shots! That's like the OK corral. Amazing that 90% of the witnesses heard three shots or less.

It should be considered though that the report from a small to medium bore centerfire rifle will get bounced around in an area with high buildings and alot of pavement. What anyone heard even if they can accurately recall will vary depending on their individual location, even which way they were facing at each shot.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Bullet hole passed through the Limo's windshield. Which shot was this one ?

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Bullet hole passed through the Limo's windshield. Which shot was this one ?

James Tague struck by another Bullet fragment near the triple underpass. His "initial" response was the shot came from the Grassy Knoll. After the "Official" report came out he changed his story.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhsgRQNre1M

 

[Combat]

It should be considered though that the report from a small to medium bore centerfire rifle will get bounced around in an area with high buildings and alot of pavement. What anyone heard even if they can accurately recall will vary depending on their individual location, even which way they were facing at each shot.

Yes, but under those conditions it is much more likely for a witness to overstate the number of shots fired because an echo might be confused for more than one shot than to understate the number fired. For example, if 2 shots were fired witnesses might say there were 4, but if 9 shots were fired there is no explanation for reporting only 3. So if 90% reported hearing 3 or fewer shots that means 3 shots is the maximum number fired. Nine shots is an outlier that even most die hard conspiracy theorists would blush at today.

Regarding the windshield, it was struck from the inside most likely from a fragment of the bullet that struck JFK in the head. There was also a dent to the interior chrome near the rear view mirror. Fragments of that bullet were found in the car. No assassin would fire through the front windshield and the people sitting in the front of the car if they were targeting JFK. It would be an impossible shot. Tague may have been struck by a fragment from the shot that missed. It likely deflected off the tree or the pavement.

 

[TomB]

Ding Ding Ding...Gentlemen Let's get ready to Rumble...........

Let's just say that I am not a believer at all that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed President John F. Kennedy. Here are the bits of information in which I have come to acquire over the last 25 plus years of research into this crime of the 20th Century.
1) Lee Harvey Oswalds Background: He enlisted in the Marines in his late teens.His marksmanship qualification rating was "marksman" the lowest rating possible other than unqualified. This is below the mid tier rating of sharpshooter and well below the top qualification rating of expert. His duties in the marines placed him in Japan performing the duties of monitoring the U-2 spy planes being flown over Russia.Here is his initial entry into the world of intelligence operations for the United States.During this time he recieved formal training to speak Russian through the equivalent of a defense language school. Once his proficiency of the language was
acquired he wound up in Russia.This is after he was out of the marines and wanted to defect to the Soviet Union.How is this financially possible by a lower enlisted marine ? He wound up returning to the U.S.after supposedly being rejected asylum from the Russians.So we allow a former marine who had knowledge of tracking U-2 spy planes and tried to renounce his U.S. citizenship back into the country without
detaining him or imprisonment ????
2) Next we have his actions at dealey plaza on the morning and afternoon of Nov 22
1963. If he fired the shots from the 6th floor of the Texas school book depository he then went down 3 flights of stairs unoticed by witnesses on the stairwell at the time and grabbed a soda from a coke machine ??? Was he told to be at the depository building as his handlers told him to be there ? Then the story goes Oswald went to his room ,grabbed a revolver and left on foot soon after shooting Dallas Police officer Tippett.One small problem here though.There were shell casings found at the scene of the shooting on the ground near Tippett.How does a revolver eject shells ? On top of that the shell casings were much shorter than those that would have been used by the revolver found on Oswald after his arrest.Likely from a
semi- automatic pistol !!!
3) The alleged weapon that was used to kill Kennedy. The Mannlicher Carcano rifle found in the alleged snipers nest had a horrible bolt action assembly which made it impossible to "Legitimately" fire as claimed.The scope was not even securely mounted to the weapon and was described as wobbly by some police at the scene
who viewed the rifle.
4) Shots Fired in Dealey Plaza: Assasination experts outside of the Warren Commission calculate between 7 to 10 shots were actually fired at JFK,likely from 3
firing positions forming a triangulated crossfire of the target. The first shot from the rear missed the limosine completely.Kennedy was then struck in the throat from the front,hit in the back twice while Govenor Connely was shot through the back,through
his wrist and into his thigh.This was from the Magic Bullet remember ? Going in and out of JFK and into connely causing all of those wounds while to 2 men yet found on a stretcher in Parkland hospital in near Pristine condition. Amazing isn't it ??? There is no refuting that JFK was shot from behind,but from 2 different gunmen !!!!
Then comes the logical question. If you are Oswald and did the shooting Why not shoot JFK from the front driving towards the depository versus shooting at a target moving away from you ? Plus add the fact that the Elm tree directly to the right front of the 6th floor window blocked a good portion of the angle from the 6th floor
and the limosine,making for an even tougher shot. All this being done by a Marksman
shooter with a trashy weapon ?????
5)Lastly The Fatal Head Shot: I have never known of an object to be shot and where the point of impact is the object craters out and explodes back toward the
point of origin.Anyone who takes the time to watch the fatal head shot as shown in the infamous zapruder film can very easily see that JFK was shot from a frontal direction.The right front temple area with the bullet mushrooming out and blasting out the back of his head. Law of physics.Quite simple.
6)Lee Harvey Oswalds Final Fate: If Oswald fired the shots and killed JFK because he wanted to draw attention to himself as doing a infamous act in the name of Marxism, then why would he emphatically maintain his innocense to the very end.He is clearly heard and seen on recorded coverage denying the shooting and stating that he was a "Patsy". Are those the actions of a professed killer of a president ????
7)Witnesses who wound up dead after the JFK assasination: There are nearly 100 people who saw something, knew someone,heard more than 3 shots fired or saw gunmen on the grassy knoll that "Mysteriously"turned up dead.Truly amazing coincidence is it not ????
8) Add the icing on the cake and Lee Harvey Oswald gets shot dead before he can be transported away from the Dallas Jail. Pick a fall guy, Blame him as the culprit and kill him before he can open his mouth. Add to that "his" killer Jack Ruby dies in Jail of cancer.Fits like a puzzle doesn't it ??????
9) The Final Question...Who Had the Most to Gain from JFK being Killed ???? Within days of Kennedy's death the presidential order to begin the withdrawal of U.S. troops
from Vietnam was reversed and a new Presidential order issued by the new President
Lyndon Baines Johnson esculated Americas involvement in Vietnam.

Now we were discussing Lee Harvey Oswald and the 6th floor window.......

There is more information above than I have read on JFK's death than anywhere else.....to me it appears he was done in by his own mob.....for what reason I do not know.....An another mystery regarding local dirty woiks........Did the American Naval Intelligence know in advance of the attack of Pearl Harbor ? .......from what I have read the USN had had broken the Jap navy's code before PH and were always a step ahead of the japs naval plans after PH and the sudden order to get the CvN's out of PH before the attack ,has always seemed suspicious...... But...can you always believe what you read ? .....Where politician's are concerned you cannot trust them....JFK said something like this "Dont ask what the country can do for you..but..what you can do for your country"....would be nice if the politicians ( Everywhere) follow that.....the only people I know that "What you can for your country" are the servicemen and women...IMO...TomB

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Yes, but under those conditions it is much more likely for a witness to overstate the number of shots fired because an echo might be confused for more than one shot than to understate the number fired. For example, if 2 shots were fired witnesses might say there were 4, but if 9 shots were fired there is no explanation for reporting only 3. So if 90% reported hearing 3 or fewer shots that means 3 shots is the maximum number fired. Nine shots is an outlier that even most die hard conspiracy theorists would blush at today.

Regarding the windshield, it was struck from the inside most likely from a fragment of the bullet that struck JFK in the head. There was also a dent to the interior chrome near the rear view mirror. Fragments of that bullet were found in the car. No assassin would fire through the front windshield and the people sitting in the front of the car if they were targeting JFK. It would be an impossible shot. Tague may have been struck by a fragment from the shot that missed. It likely deflected off the tree or the pavement.

I would suggest buying the book at Barnes &Noble "Dead Wrong". It makes for some very interesting reading :salute:: Cheers :wink2:

 

[damian]

Sorry but from my understanding it is almost physically impossible for the bullet fired by Lee Harvey Oswald to have done all that it is supposed to have done. The evidence from my reading leans towards multiple GSW's by a number of assassins.
I think the Warren Commission got it wrong and was not really established with the objective of finding the truth.

 

[Combat]

Sorry but from my understanding it is almost physically impossible for the bullet fired by Lee Harvey Oswald to have done all that it is supposed to have done. The evidence from my reading leans towards multiple GSW's by a number of assassins.
I think the Warren Commission got it wrong and was not really established with the objective of finding the truth.

There's no need to speculate. It's been duplicated. Nothing magic about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRUNYZY71g

 

[RPZ]

Yes, but under those conditions it is much more likely for a witness to overstate the number of shots fired because an echo might be confused for more than one shot than to understate the number fired. For example, if 2 shots were fired witnesses might say there were 4, but if 9 shots were fired there is no explanation for reporting only 3. So if 90% reported hearing 3 or fewer shots that means 3 shots is the maximum number fired. Nine shots is an outlier that even most die hard conspiracy theorists would blush at today.

Actually, more than one shooter firing more than one shot each might cause overlaps in such an environment.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Yes, but under those conditions it is much more likely for a witness to overstate the number of shots fired because an echo might be confused for more than one shot than to understate the number fired. For example, if 2 shots were fired witnesses might say there were 4, but if 9 shots were fired there is no explanation for reporting only 3. So if 90% reported hearing 3 or fewer shots that means 3 shots is the maximum number fired. Nine shots is an outlier that even most die hard conspiracy theorists would blush at today.

Regarding the windshield, it was struck from the inside most likely from a fragment of the bullet that struck JFK in the head. There was also a dent to the interior chrome near the rear view mirror. Fragments of that bullet were found in the car. No assassin would fire through the front windshield and the people sitting in the front of the car if they were targeting JFK. It would be an impossible shot. Tague may have been struck by a fragment from the shot that missed. It likely deflected off the tree or the pavement.

The windshield bullet hole came from behind, a whole intact bullet passing straight through the glass. Debating how many shots were fired can go on endlessly. All of the information about this topic is available on the internet, books.
If you google grassy knoll shooter you see images of a man with a rifle. If you google Grassy knoll shooter witnesses you will get a whole list of names. Google Mysterious deaths related to the assassination and a long list of names comes
up again.The official version we all know, it is just a matter of how many of us can believe it and how many of us know better.

 

[Combat]

The "mysterious deaths" claim is a conspiracy myth. Long debunked. In addition, why kill witnesses after they have already told their story? While at the same time many prominent conspiracy theorists like Oliver Stone, Mark Lane, and others are leading very long and uneventful lives:

"[Regarding the "mysterious" deaths of "witnesses" to the assassination], even the most cursory examination of the stories shows how essentially foolish they are. A good many of the deaths hardly seem mysterious in that they were caused by auto accidents, heart attacks, and other phenomena that afflict our entire population. Moreover, before we could tell whether the number of these deaths is in any way unusual, we would have to know the number of equally "mysterious" deaths that occurred to people completely unconnected with the WR. But even apart from any statistical refutation, the theory that a set of conspirators is now devoted to wiping out a host of unimportant witnesses is almost too silly to be put forth. There is not the slightest indication that any of the "victims" have had anything to tell that they had not already told, and indeed the deaths seem concentrated among those who bore only the most peripheral relation to the assassination. When one stops to consider that almost each one of the "mysterious" deaths requires the recruitment of at least one and often several new conspirators, it would seem that, like the pyramid club, the conspiracy would be getting bigger and bigger rather than smaller. One would think that in light of what had happened to those who knew too much it would get very difficult to recruit new members into the conspiracy. Most important, however, it is hard to say why the supposed killers are taking whatever chances these murders entail when it is so obvious that, whoever the conspirators are, they have already gotten off scot-free."

 

[RPZ]

History Channel ran an interesting documentary some years ago; under intense pressure from the Johnson family several episodes were pulled, and were not available on the series DVD set.

I had opportunity to watch these recently. In one Johnson's former mistress stated that Johnson, the day before the assassination, had told her something like "after tomorrow that g-d Kennedy will never embarrass me again". She stated that he repeated this the day after minus the first two words.

There was alot of evidence presented that Johnson had several reasons to not shed any tears about Kennedy's death. For me Johnson's smirking almost smiling face being sworn in right in front of Jacqueline Kennedy says alot.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

History Channel ran an interesting documentary some years ago; under intense pressure from the Johnson family several episodes were pulled, and were not available on the series DVD set.

I had opportunity to watch these recently. In one Johnson's former mistress stated that Johnson, the day before the assassination, had told her something like "after tomorrow that g-d Kennedy will never embarrass me again". She stated that he repeated this the day after minus the first two words.

There was alot of evidence presented that Johnson had several reasons to not shed any tears about Kennedy's death. For me Johnson's smirking almost smiling face being sworn in right in front of Jacqueline Kennedy says alot.

That was my gut feel at the time of the assassination - that LBJ was in on it. It was the look on his face and I can still remember it from years ago.

Terry

 

[lancer]

Only Fidel knows, and he's not talking.:wink2: -- Al

 

[tdubel]

Everyone knows where I stand on this, so I will not bore the thread. That said, my one comment and I truly believe this on the Kennedys. The old man's wealth (going back to Joe) is as dirty as Vito Genovese, Momo Gianacana, Frank Costello, etc., SO when you keep that kind of company and play by those rules in life, Kharma is the proverbial "female dog".

TD

 

[lancer]

Everyone knows where I stand on this, so I will not bore the thread. That said, my one comment and I truly believe this on the Kennedys. The old man's wealth (going back to Joe) is as dirty as Vito Genovese, Momo Gianacana, Frank Costello, etc., SO when you keep that kind of company and play by those rules in life, Kharma is the proverbial "female dog".

TD

Very interesting and educational post, Tom. This is exactly what my father and his bothers discussed on more than one occasion in regards to the Kennedy's. -- Al

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Why would this man lie ????




www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQdnAcCbXI

 

[Scott]

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/badgeman.htm