Who Really Killed John F. Kennedy (1 Viewer)

[Scott]

Johnson is far from a Saint, I wholeheartedly agree on him, he was very shady. That said, I stand by my opinion of JFK. I don't argue he didn't do a number of great things, but I tend to call a spade or spade, I don't remember or look upon things with rose colored glasses, the world is very black and white to me. Therefore, hence my irritation at the constant romanticizing of Camelot and the Kennedys.

While we are at it, let's talk about how great a guy Ted Kennedy was.............................................

TD

It's a matter of American "rich people". They have fun, get in trouble or die in interesting ways. Some remember that they are Americans once in a while, and some think that what they are is America. The Kennedy brothers at least died with their boots on in public service.

 

[damian]

There are not many American political dynasties that can claim to have squeaky clean wealth. At least JFk and RFK did try and I prove the world despite where their wealth came from

 

[Scott]

There are not many American political dynasties that can claim to have squeaky clean wealth. At least JFk and RFK did try and I prove the world despite where their wealth came from

Another thing is that the Kennedy s were new money instead of old money from piracy, slavery, smuggling, land speculation, or building an industrial era business only one or two generations earlier. The K's also brought some culture back into the White House after the drab (though admirable) Truman and Eisenhower.

 

[tdubel]

There are not many American political dynasties that can claim to have squeaky clean wealth. At least JFk and RFK did try and I prove the world despite where their wealth came from

Damian,
Agree, don't disagree that they did many admirable things. I just don't swallow the malarkey that all of sudden as soon as Prohibition ended, Joe Kennedy became a Liquor Distributor and never had anything to do with it previously.......................as far as I am concerned, believe that and I can legally sell you a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge! As I stated previously and wont retype, Frank Costello and Meyer Lansky (and not to any gain or leniency) both detailed Joe Kennedy's involvement in separate 1973 items. Heck, Frank Costello considered Joe Kennedy a close friend and that is why he protected him from a really bad guy - Genovese. THat is no myth IMO despite what a new author has written. We will never know the full truth on any of it b/c we were not eye witnesses, but I think common sense has always told me "smoke equals some fire".

In the end, I am not advocating/defending either side, I just say, call it as you see it and the Kennedys have some mud and some of it is quite thick! It is what it is.

And to the post on Truman/Eisenhower, they all had skeletons, but those two were more on the face and less below the surface so to speak.

TD

 

[Scott]

http://youtu.be/d7TbB4uxJEk

 

[Scott]

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In the end, I am not advocating/defending either side, I just say, call it as you see it and the Kennedys have some mud and some of it is quite thick! It is what it is.
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TD

Does this give folks comfort in JFK's murder?


Or take into consideration that assassins killed JFK, RFK, and MLK, while the attempts on Reagan, Ford, (2 attempts) and Wallace botched it. Hmmmmmm...

 

[damian]

Damian,
Agree, don't disagree that they did many admirable things. I just don't swallow the malarkey that all of sudden as soon as Prohibition ended, Joe Kennedy became a Liquor Distributor and never had anything to do with it previously.......................as far as I am concerned, believe that and I can legally sell you a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge! As I stated previously and wont retype, Frank Costello and Meyer Lansky (and not to any gain or leniency) both detailed Joe Kennedy's involvement in separate 1973 items. Heck, Frank Costello considered Joe Kennedy a close friend and that is why he protected him from a really bad guy - Genovese. THat is no myth IMO despite what a new author has written. We will never know the full truth on any of it b/c we were not eye witnesses, but I think common sense has always told me "smoke equals some fire".

In the end, I am not advocating/defending either side, I just say, call it as you see it and the Kennedys have some mud and some of it is quite thick! It is what it is.

And to the post on Truman/Eisenhower, they all had skeletons, but those two were more on the face and less below the surface so to speak.

TD

Fair enough
I was also referring to a few more recent dynasties.
Generally politicians around the world seem less than salubrious.

 

[Vezzolf]

According to some recent documentaries, it seems that there is occasional interest in rendering support to Warren Commission Report:rolleyes2:.....The "magic bullet theory" and the lone gunman with the CRAP bolt action rifle explanation continues to be supported^&grin^&grin^&grin...Not surprising:wink2:....The real truth will never be revealed or admitted and after all these years and it never will be.... The evidence is long destroyed, witnesses dead and all the principal players are long gone ....The History Books will always read that Oswald was the lone assasin....History.....Just the way the government wants it to be told. The illusion must be maintained....Long live the FED:wink2:

 

[tdubel]

Does this give folks comfort in JFK's murder?


Or take into consideration that assassins killed JFK, RFK, and MLK, while the attempts on Reagan, Ford, (2 attempts) and Wallace botched it. Hmmmmmm...

To me, not really my point and I think it is a good thing that Reagan, Ford and Wallace lived. Would not wish death on anyone. Point as I said before is, I am not a big fan of the washing/cleansing of the facts, too much happy horse puckey of the Kennedys gets irritating.

TD

 

[Scott]

To me, not really my point and I think it is a good thing that Reagan, Ford and Wallace lived. Would not wish death on anyone. Point as I said before is, I am not a big fan of the washing/cleansing of the facts, too much happy horse puckey of the Kennedys gets irritating.

TD

Well those "statistics" are as viable as the conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assassination. Funny that there are still "conspiracy" theories about Lincoln but not Garfield or McKinley. The nostalgia for JFK might be more to do with that if you lived during that time, there was anticipation for the future and progress. I remember it and I was a kid.

There wasn't the same emotion for Garfield or McKinley that still exists for Lincoln and JFK, nor is that residual hate that still exists for Lincoln or the entire Kennedy family. There just isn't a political family in the US of A that can be held up as moral examples that could satisfy either the haters or the decent Americans. We have the candidates for office that volunteer to run and have the resources to run. With candidates from wealthy families you're going to get their pro Nazi ancestors and embarrassing siblings. Perhaps because they are already rich they won't steal. :wink2:

 

[lancer]

Saw a news item today that the Reelz network is going to produce a show based on Colin McLaren's book "JFK: The Smoking Gun", which is one of the more interesting 'theory' works on the assassination. It claims that the fatal head shot was accidently fired by Secret Service Agent George Hickey. Since Hickey has passed on, apparently there is no danger of being sued, so Reelz is doing a show on it.:rolleyes2: It is a theory I am not aquainted with but I'm sure it will be made to sound plausible, as all the fringe theories seem to be.:wink2: -- Al

 

[Combat]

Saw a news item today that the Reelz network is going to produce a show based on Colin McLaren's book "JFK: The Smoking Gun", which is one of the more interesting 'theory' works on the assassination. It claims that the fatal head shot was accidently fired by Secret Service Agent George Hickey. Since Hickey has passed on, apparently there is no danger of being sued, so Reelz is doing a show on it.:rolleyes2: It is a theory I am not aquainted with but I'm sure it will be made to sound plausible, as all the fringe theories seem to be.:wink2: -- Al

That is unfortunate for his family. It must be sickening to be subject to these kinds of allegations and having no legal recourse. Hickey was sitting in the secret service car with several people including Dave Powers who was one of JFKs top advisors. No one in that car ever indicated that Hickey fired a shot. The shot would also have to have gone through the front windshield of the secret service car to strike Kennedy who was in front of him. Obviously that didn't happen. And what would be the odds that a random accidential shot struck -of all people in Dealey Plaza - JFK in the head? Maybe a million to one. Some conspiracy theorists believe that the secret service were involved and a few even think the driver turned around and shot JFK. Despite the fact that he was driving and did not have a gun in his hand. It would be humorous if it wasn't such a serious allegation.

HBO is also doing a Kennedy assassination film called "Parkland." There was an aritcle in USA Today today. Tom Hanks is producing and some big names are involved including Billy Bob Thorton and Paul Giamatti. http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/07/28/parkland-zac-efron/2537111/

 

[Combat]

Saw a news item today that the Reelz network is going to produce a show based on Colin McLaren's book "JFK: The Smoking Gun", which is one of the more interesting 'theory' works on the assassination. It claims that the fatal head shot was accidently fired by Secret Service Agent George Hickey. Since Hickey has passed on, apparently there is no danger of being sued, so Reelz is doing a show on it.:rolleyes2: It is a theory I am not aquainted with but I'm sure it will be made to sound plausible, as all the fringe theories seem to be.:wink2: -- Al

This one rang a bell. As it turns out, Hickey sued the author of a similar book in the 1990's while he was still alive. He claimed that he didn't want his grandchildren having to defend his name. Gary Mack, who is the curator of the 6th floor museum, had pointed out to the publisher that there was a film in which it can be seen that Hickey couldn't have fired the fatal shot. The book was published anyway. Unfortunately, the case was dismissed because the statute of limitaions had run. When it was reprinted, however, Hickey sued again. This time the publisher settled for an undisclosed amount.

 

[glossman]

I watched the 2003 ABC documentary "The Kennedy Assassination - Beyond Conspiracy" hosted by Peter Jennings recently. The accounts and interviews in this 90 minute documentary supported the view that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the murder of President John F. Kennedy almost 50 years ago. There were 3 shots fired. The first shot was off the mark. The second shot from the back hit JFK in the cervical spine with the bullet exiting and hitting Governor Connally in the right back. Having viewed the Zapruder film separately, it appears (to the non-forensic eye) the third and fatal shot to JFK's head came from the right front of the presidential limousine.

Raymond

 

[Combat]

Wesley Buell Frazier, the fellow who drove Oswald to work on the day of the assassination, will be on CSPAN3 tonight at about 8:50 EST as part of an interview series done by the 6th Floor Museum in Dallas.

 

[Combat]

An excellent book on the murder of Officer J.D. Tippit is being reissued for the 50th anniversary. This is the definitive book on the topic:

http://www.oakcliffpress.com/

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-jfk-assassinations-forgotten-hero.html

 

[Al Fisher]

OK . . . this thread is approaching 200 posts, so you must be getting a handle on the subject. I think it would be intersted if you would put your heads together and and see what you can come up a theory or theories that satisfy all (or at least, most) of you. I think it could be interesting reading. What say you?

Bosun Al

 

[lancer]

OK . . . this thread is approaching 200 posts, so you must be getting a handle on the subject. I think it would be intersted if you would put your heads together and and see what you can come up a theory or theories that satisfy all (or at least, most) of you. I think it could be interesting reading. What say you?

Bosun Al

Oh, would that it could be done. After 50 years of scrutiny by thousands of people, there remains no consensus, nor is it likely there ever will be. Better heads than ours have tried and tried and still there remain questions that can't be answered with any finality. It is one never-endingly fascinating subject. -- Al

 

[Combat]

OK . . . this thread is approaching 200 posts, so you must be getting a handle on the subject. I think it would be intersted if you would put your heads together and and see what you can come up a theory or theories that satisfy all (or at least, most) of you. I think it could be interesting reading. What say you?

Bosun Al

With the 50th anniversary coming up this November, I'm sure there will enough books, tv shows and movies to satisfy everyone. A few upcoming events and books as announced by the Sixth Floor Museum:

Author Series with Clint Hill and Lisa McCubbinBook Signing
November 23, 2013 – 11:00 AM to 1:00 PM

Meet author and former Secret Service Agent Clint Hill and co-author Lisa McCubbin as they sign their new book, Five Days in November. They will be appearing on the Museum’s seventh floor.

Author Series with Hugh AynesworthProgram and Book Signing
October 5, 2013 – 1:00 PM to 2:30 PM

Journalist Hugh Aynesworth covered the Kennedy assassination as a journalist for The Dallas Morning News. Aynesworth, a four-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize, has also served as a national correspondent for the Washington Times, southwest bureau chief of Newsweek magazine, and investigative team leader for ABC's 20/20. He will share memories of the assassination and sign copies of his book, November 22, 1963: Witness to History.


2013 Living History Series
Bill and ***le Newman (with sons Clayton and Bill)November 9, 2013 – 2:00 PM

The Newmans were the closest civilian eyewitnesses to President Kennedy at the time of the fatal shot and were interviewed on TV immediately after the assassination.

LIFE: The Day Kennedy DiedPanel Discussion and Book Signing with Contributors
October 26, 2013 – 2:00 PM

Dick Stolley, Bob Sullivan, Jim Baker and Alexandra Zapruder will discuss and sign copies of their new book, LIFE The Day Kennedy Died: Fifty Years Later: LIFE Remembers the Man and the Moment. A book signing will follow.


Author Series with Tina Towner PenderDiscussion and Book Signing
October 26, 2013 – 11:00 AM

Assassination eyewitness Tina Towner Pender will discuss and sign copies of her book, Tina Towner: My Story as the Youngest Photographer at the Kennedy Assassination.

Author Series with Bill Minutaglio and Steven L. DavisProgram and Book Signing
October 15, 2013 – 7:00 PM

Writers Bill Minutaglio and Steven L. Davis will discuss and sign copies of their new book, Dallas 1963, an in-depth exploration of the swirling forces that led many people to warn President Kennedy to avoid Dallas on his fateful trip to Texas.

 

[BLReed]

With the 50th anniversary coming up this November, I'm sure there will enough books, tv shows and movies to satisfy everyone. A few upcoming events and books as announced by the Sixth Floor Museum:
[Snip]

"Killing Kennedy," based on the book by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard, premieres Nov. 10 on the National Geographic Channel.