Who Really Killed John F. Kennedy (1 Viewer)

RPZ said:
History Channel ran an interesting documentary some years ago; under intense pressure from the Johnson family several episodes were pulled, and were not available on the series DVD set.

I had opportunity to watch these recently. In one Johnson's former mistress stated that Johnson, the day before the assassination, had told her something like "after tomorrow that g-d Kennedy will never embarrass me again". She stated that he repeated this the day after minus the first two words.

There was alot of evidence presented that Johnson had several reasons to not shed any tears about Kennedy's death. For me Johnson's smirking almost smiling face being sworn in right in front of Jacqueline Kennedy says alot.
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The History Channel runs all manner of Bigfoot, ghost, and UFO shows. But they will no longer run this "documentary." That should give an indication of its level of credibility. LBJ was an ambitious fellow. However, the fact that he wanted to be President does not mean he was involved in the assassination. Robert Caro is the foremost historian on LBJ. He has interviewed everyone worth talking with about LBJ. And had access to just about every available source of information on his life. In his last book, he confirms that he has not come across any evidence that links LBJ to the assassination.
 
Combata said:
The History Channel runs all manner of Bigfoot, ghost, and UFO shrows. But they will no longer run this "documentary." That should give an indication of its level of credibility. LBJ was an ambitious fellow. However, the fact that he wanted to be President does not mean he was involved in the assassination. Robert Caro is the foremost historian on LBJ. He has interviewed everyone worth talking with about LBJ. And had access to just about every available source of information on his life. In his last book, he confirms that he has not come across any evidence that links LBJ to the assassination.
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It was actually one of the most objective documentaries I have seen broadcast on the HC. All the info presented can be verified, but what really set it apart wwere the interviews with people like Johnson's mistress, attorney etc.
 
lancer said:
Very interesting and educational post, Tom. This is exactly what my father and his bothers discussed on more than one occasion in regards to the Kennedy's. -- Al
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Al,
I wasn't alive during the "camelot" era, so never had the opportunity to be mesmerized like some of the US. To me, rightly or wrongly, the Kennedy family is just another family whose wealth was ill gotten. At least to Lanksy and Costello's credit, they admitted who they were and were not shy about it.

TD
 
tdubel said:
Al,
I wasn't alive during the "camelot" era, so never had the opportunity to be mesmerized like some of the US. To me, rightly or wrongly, the Kennedy family is just another family whose wealth was ill gotten. At least to Lanksy and Costello's credit, they admitted who they were and were not shy about it.

TD
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Hi Tom. I did grow up during 'Camelot', a double-edged name if ever there was one. Suffice it to say that my family, both sides all the way through, were not fans of the Kennedy family, top to bottom. I didn't understand it as a 10 year old. -- Al
 
tdubel said:
Everyone knows where I stand on this, so I will not bore the thread. That said, my one comment and I truly believe this on the Kennedys. The old man's wealth (going back to Joe) is as dirty as Vito Genovese, Momo Gianacana, Frank Costello, etc., SO when you keep that kind of company and play by those rules in life, Kharma is the proverbial "female dog".

TD
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Joe Kennedy made his money in banking and films. He was no doubt unethical in some respects but never broke any laws. One enduring myth is that he was a bootlegger. That's a myth. To compare him to gangsters who murdered people is without any basis. He was slimy like many people who are obsessed with gaining wealth, but not a criminal.
 
I was in Dallas last week and had a chance to take some pictures of the various sights related to the assassination. Also shook hands with Wesley Buell Frazier who drove Oswald to work on Nov. 22, 1963:

Dealey Plaza as seen from the Reunion Tower:



The home of Ruth Paine in Irving, Texas. Oswald spent the night here on Nov. 21. He stored his rifle in the garage and made the short walk down the street on the morning of Nov. 22 to catch a ride to work with Frazier. It's currently being renovated to open for the 50th anniversary:



Oswald's boarding house in Oak Cliff, Texas. He returned here shortly after the assassination to retrieve his pistol and jacket:



Tenth and Patton (Oak Cliff). Oswald was confronted by Officer J.D. Tippit while walking at this spot. When Tippit stepped out of the car Oswald fired several shots across the hood and then walked around the car and shot Tippit in the head.





Texas Theatre (Oak Cliff). Oswald ducked into this movie theatre while fleeing after shooting Tippit. He aroused the suspicion of a local shoe salesman when he saw Oswald go in without buying a ticket. Oswald was arrested after a struggle and brought out these doors:


 
Combat said:
Joe Kennedy made his money in banking and films. He was no doubt unethical in some respects but never broke any laws. One enduring myth is that he was a bootlegger. That's a myth. To compare him to gangsters who murdered people is without any basis. He was slimy like many people who are obsessed with gaining wealth, but not a criminal.
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There's a cottage industry of Kennedy hater books and plenty of folks that will buy them. Look back a few generations in wealthy clans and you'll find smuggling, piracy, slavery, and such. Look at the various royal families. Just look.
 
Combat said:
I was in Dallas last week and had a chance to take some pictures of the various sights related to the assassination. Also shook hands with Wesley Buell Frazier who drove Oswald to work on Nov. 22, 1963:

Dealey Plaza as seen from the Reunion Tower:



The home of Ruth Paine in Irving, Texas. Oswald spent the night here on Nov. 21. He stored his rifle in the garage and made the short walk down the street on the morning of Nov. 22 to catch a ride to work with Frazier. It's currently being renovated to open for the 50th anniversary:



Oswald's boarding house in Oak Cliff, Texas. He returned here shortly after the assassination to retrieve his pistol and jacket:



Tenth and Patton (Oak Cliff). Oswald was confronted by Officer J.D. Tippit while walking at this spot. When Tippit stepped out of the car Oswald fired several shots across the hood and then walked around the car and shot Tippit in the head.





Texas Theatre (Oak Cliff). Oswald ducked into this movie theatre while fleeing after shooting Tippit. He aroused the suspicion of a local shoe salesman when he saw Oswald go in without buying a ticket. Oswald was arrested after a struggle and brought out these doors:



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Very good pictures. I hope to visit the scene someday but until then these will do very well.
 
Combat said:
Joe Kennedy made his money in banking and films. He was no doubt unethical in some respects but never broke any laws. One enduring myth is that he was a bootlegger. That's a myth. To compare him to gangsters who murdered people is without any basis. He was slimy like many people who are obsessed with gaining wealth, but not a criminal.
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Do you really seriously think this is a myth? I find that hard to truly believe. WOW, Camelot is still alive and well yet faced with facts. FACT - well known testimony from both Meyer Lanski and Frank Costello, they dealt with Joe on liquor, he was a part of that, he doublecrossed Genovese and Costello stepped in and saved his life, the price was, he was out of business. Sorry, but there is way to much out there on this subject. Not everyone who speaks out against the Kennedy is a liar no matter how much the greater Northeastern USA is enamored with that family.

Joe Kennedy may have made money in banking and films, but he certainly made money on liquor too.

I am done with this subject, people can launder the Kennedys from now until the end of time and IMO the family contained a lot of bums too.
TD
 
Scott said:
There's a cottage industry of Kennedy hater books and plenty of folks that will buy them. Look back a few generations in wealthy clans and you'll find smuggling, piracy, slavery, and such. Look at the various royal families. Just look.
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There is also a cottage industy who refuses to acknowledge that a number of the Kennedy's were not "clean" either. I don't disagree with skeletons in other closets, but SORRY Camelot is not without a number of issues. I am still of disbelief that a lot of people refuse to admit it. Heck, I should write a book - "Blinders in Camelot".

One more thing - I guess its a myth too that Sam Giancana helped put JFK in the White House. Must also be a myth that they shared the same girlfriends, probably too a myth that they had mutual powerful friends.....................

Pfuey.
 
Funny all the accusations of John F Kennedy womanizing after his death when he could no longer defend himself. Any shortcomings of his presidency pale in comparison to what we have had since.

He served in wartime, and be actually acted like a leader when he attained Office in the presidency. Of course some of the most significant acts and policies by him were immediately undone by Johnson. People should look more closely at those.
 
RPZ said:
Funny all the accusations of John F Kennedy womanizing after his death when he could no longer defend himself. Any shortcomings of his presidency pale in comparison to what we have had since.

He served in wartime, and be actually acted like a leader when he attained Office in the presidency. Of course some of the most significant acts and policies by him were immediately undone by Johnson. People should look more closely at those.
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Johnson is far from a Saint, I wholeheartedly agree on him, he was very shady. That said, I stand by my opinion of JFK. I don't argue he didn't do a number of great things, but I tend to call a spade or spade, I don't remember or look upon things with rose colored glasses, the world is very black and white to me. Therefore, hence my irritation at the constant romanticizing of Camelot and the Kennedys.

While we are at it, let's talk about how great a guy Ted Kennedy was.............................................

TD
 
LBJ was far from a saint and he would be the first to admit that. Just read some of Robert Caro's books, particularly the one how he stole the 1948 Senatorial election.

However, when every attempt at a civil rights bill had been squashed, he took it upon himself as Majority Leader in the late 1950s to get one passed. It was watered down and all that but it was a start. He was also responsible for getting civil right bills through Congress as President. His legacy is imperfect because of Vietnam but he did a lot of positive things also.

Brad
 
tdubel said:
Do you really seriously think this is a myth? I find that hard to truly believe. WOW, Camelot is still alive and well yet faced with facts. FACT - well known testimony from both Meyer Lanski and Frank Costello, they dealt with Joe on liquor, he was a part of that, he doublecrossed Genovese and Costello stepped in and saved his life, the price was, he was out of business. Sorry, but there is way to much out there on this subject. Not everyone who speaks out against the Kennedy is a liar no matter how much the greater Northeastern USA is enamored with that family.

Joe Kennedy may have made money in banking and films, but he certainly made money on liquor too.

I am done with this subject, people can launder the Kennedys from now until the end of time and IMO the family contained a lot of bums too.
TD
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I'm no fan of the Kennedys but Joe Kennedy was not a bootlegger or gangster. He did make money from the sale of liquor but only after it was legal. There is a recent book about his life that addresses this: The Patriarch: The Remarkable Life and Turbulent Times of Joseph P. Kennedy by David Nasaw.
 
That Lee Harvey Oswald was one hella-va rifleman "way up" in that school book depository window...Much better then Chuck Connors:wink2:....and that magical bullet:rolleyes2:.....Amazing what you can get some people to believe....The Kennedy family had a long history of corruption with the mafia.....Didn't the Kennedy administration employ the mafia to assasinate Castro....CIA bay of pigs????....Corrupt Joe Kennedy Sr had grand plans for Joe Jr., John, Bobby, and Teddy....They would have been holding powerful positions in this country for decades......Other corrupt factions in our own government wanted them out???.... LBJ maybe??......Powerful Right Wing Coalitions in the south???...A battle for power within the government clearly and effectively covered up....ez to accomplish in those days....Lee Harvey Oswald was the fall guy...not innocent...but the fall guy....silenced by Jack Ruby.....Jack Kennedy's head was blown off from the grassy knoll quite clearly....Conspiracy?? You betcha.
 
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