World Cup in Brazil (7 Viewers)

Brad, I agree entirely with you! Bad technical quality, poor tactics and a gigantic pressure... Fortunately there`s 6 days to try to work out the obvious problems the Brazilian team displayed today...

Carlos,

Sometimes in a competition like this, you have an opening game like this and once you get it out of your system, you can play the way they played in the Confederations Cup. Maybe Scolari is telling them you faced the worst and it can only get better from here.
 
I am not a soccer expert so I have to ask since the game itself played to a 1-1tie, is Chile as good as Brazil or did Brazil just play poorly?
 
Im suprised the amount of people dying there...............^&confuse^&confuse
 
The best team I ever saw was Brasil 1970. It was like men versus boys. The best team that didn't was the 1982 version. Still hard to figure out how they lost.

If Brasil plays Friday like it did today, they will lose. I feel for the players as they have the pressure of the nation on them and the players, except for Neymar, are not as good quality as before. You could see the pressure when the whole stadium were singing the National Anthem especially the kids in front of the players. Those kids were almost screaming it out. It was more than impressive but at the same time, it has to be a burden on the players.

Brad

I didn't see the 1970 team, I was 4 years old^&grin... But of course I have heard of it, Pelé and others, and seen some famous footage.
I agree on pressure, still they are playing at home and they have won ugly before (like 94?). Also besides Neymar they have quality experienced players all round and that will make a difference. Alves, Marcelo, the extraordinary CB Thiago Silva, Fernandinho, Hulk. These guys are elite players in Europe as you know. I bet one way or another they will beat Colombia (who will definitely feel the weight of playing against the escrete canarinho in Brazil, it will be a mind game really...). From then on anything might happen.

Paulo

PS
IMHO the 82 team didn't win because of defence, it was their weakest link and Paolo Rossi made them pay on that crazy day. Sad sad stuff. But it's as they say, defence wins championships...
 
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Paulo,

Only 4? Still no excuse for not watching ^&grin

Brazil should win but who knows. Their style of play is not what we saw in the past and seems very jagged to me, no rhythm, but maybe it's better to win than play pretty.

Perhaps Colombia was not taking any chances once they had a two goal lead but then in the last 30 minutes Uruguay was taking it to them. Had they had Suarez it could have been a different story. I'm not totally convinced they can win. Chile had a more defiant attitude.

I guess the question is which team can win this cup. Setting aside the fact that European teams don't win in America, north or south, the teams that impress me are Germany and the Netherlands. Maybe the time has finally arrived for the Dutch. The job they did on the Spanish was impressive. They had revenge on their mind for both 2010 and the Champions League semifinal (Robben is on Bayern) and they didn't waste the opportunity. Now, watch them go out and lose today {eek3}

Brad
 
Paulo,

Only 4? Still no excuse for not watching ^&grin

Brazil should win but who knows. Their style of play is not what we saw in the past and seems very jagged to me, no rhythm, but maybe it's better to win than play pretty.

Perhaps Colombia was not taking any chances once they had a two goal lead but then in the last 30 minutes Uruguay was taking it to them. Had they had Suarez it could have been a different story. I'm not totally convinced they can win. Chile had a more defiant attitude.

I guess the question is which team can win this cup. Setting aside the fact that European teams don't win in America, north or south, the teams that impress me are Germany and the Netherlands. Maybe the time has finally arrived for the Dutch. The job they did on the Spanish was impressive. They had revenge on their mind for both 2010 and the Champions League semifinal (Robben is on Bayern) and they didn't waste the opportunity. Now, watch them go out and lose today {eek3}

Brad

Yes, the Dutch have been close a few times, but who knows they might even lose today... France is also a good team and Belgium is a talented outsider. Anything can happen at this stage really.

Cheers,
Paulo
 
Amazing come back by the Dutch. Mexico very much dominated the first half and had several good scoring chances to none for the Dutch. But down by a goal, The Dutch got stronger as the 2nd half went on and had some very close saves by Mexico. It looked like a mater of time until the Dutch scored.

Did Mexico use up too much energy in the first half? Too bad they are out because they are a very good team.

Terry
 
It`s one of those games in which anything can happen... :rolleyes2: The Mexicans did indeed have a much better first half, but the game got more even in the second; I think the tie by the end of the game was fair, and from then on it was whoever had a lucky strike. The ref gave it to the Dutch. Not every ref would have marked that penalty (it was not a clear cut, obvious one...{eek3}) at that stage of a tied game in a World Cup, knowing that there would be a further 30 min ahead... The Dutch will move on to the next phase and from a Brazilian perspective, better so, because if the next games evolve logically, they have a much bigger chance to beat Argentina in the semifinals than the Mexicans would...^&grin{sm4}{sm4}{sm4}
 
It`s one of those games in which anything can happen... :rolleyes2: The Mexicans did indeed have a much better first half, but the game got more even in the second; I think the tie by the end of the game was fair, and from then on it was whoever had a lucky strike. The ref gave it to the Dutch. Not every ref would have marked that penalty (it was not a clear cut, obvious one...{eek3}) at that stage of a tied game in a World Cup, knowing that there would be a further 30 min ahead... The Dutch will move on to the next phase and from a Brazilian perspective, better so, because if the next games evolve logically, they have a much bigger chance to beat Argentina in the semifinals than the Mexicans would...^&grin{sm4}{sm4}{sm4}

Still Argentina v. Brazil would be a classic final, wouldn't it? The 2 Barcelona guys, Messi v. Neymar...So I guess Germany is on your side of the draw, am I right? Also if Holland again are forced to play at 1 pm Brazilian time I think some of them are just going down (to the hospital or to the morgue really, they were clearly in trouble with the conditions today, México much faster on the ball and clearly much more used to such conditions). This 1 pm start (I know, TV stuff) is just stupid and great to create boring slow paced matches, the European teams clearly on the losing side because not just of the heat but also because of the humidity. Now just picture playing in Qatar under a 50ºc temperature in 2022. Somebody's going to die sooner than later:redface2:...

Paulo

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If the ref thinks it's a penalty, he has to award it, period. I think the Mexicans were very lucky not to have seen him award another penalty in the first half, quite clear from replays. Robben always makes the most out of these situations but to me from replays (something the refs inexplicably have no access to despite available technology) both look like penalties. Also Ochoa's luck had to run out sometime (I mean, another point blank shot hits him on the face and then hits the inside of the post and comes out^&grin, come on, he is a great keeper but this was getting beyond belief).

Paulo
 
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I can't say the 1-1 score was fair. Mexico gave up trying to go forward and on the Snijder goal, the defense was poor; he had all the time and space in the world: the back line just stood there and gave him an easy shot. The penalty was fair. Robben is one of the most dangerous players on the planet. Mexico only have themselves to blame.

When I heard the temperature (97F), I thought the Dutch would lose. That's just too hot! but give them credit.

Costa Rica put on a heroic effort, playing with 10 men for 50 minutes. However, Greece was just terrible and should have scored at some point. They may lose to the Dutch but they have taken down three former champions so far.
 
I think the most interesting match tomorrow will be Algeria Germany. The Algerian coach has said they're playing for all the Arabs in the Middle East, and make no mistake about it, they want revenge for the 1982 Germany Austria fiasco. I think it will be a tight but very interesting match. Never underestimate revenge!
 
The Shame of 1982

This is an article from the Times about the infamous Austria Germany match.

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PORTO ALEGRE, Brazil — Soccer and fairness are hardly constant companions. Dominate play, create chance after chance, and your team can still lose on a lucky bounce, on a referee’s judgment call or on the roulette wheel of a shootout.

Soccer fans grow up with such paradoxes and, in most cases, accept them. But it only feels right that Algeria gets its place in the second round of a World Cup, and though it would be more appropriate if it had come at the expense of Germany, it is still a fine fit that Germany will be Algeria’s opponent.

None of the German and Algerian players who will face one another here on Monday in the Round of 16 had any direct role in the wrong at the World Cup in Spain in 1982, when no member of this Algerian team was even born.

“The 1982 team had their period; I think in 2014 it’s about something else,” defender Rafik Halliche said in a news conference Sunday night.

In 1982, West Germany and Algeria were in the same first-round group. The Germans were the reigning European champions and one of the tournament favorites and were none too concerned about playing the Algerians, who had never qualified for a World Cup and whose players were, for the most part, little known outside their country.

The Germans did not bother to watch game film before the match and were in a lighthearted mood, with their manager, Jupp Derwall, reportedly announcing that if the Algerians won, he would “jump on the first train back to Munich.”

The Germans did lose, 2-1, in one of the great World Cup upsets. Derwall did not jump on the train back to Munich, and in West Germany’s final match in the group, against Austria in Gijón, the Algerians, the Germans and the Austrians were all still in contention for the two second-round slots.
A one-goal or two-goal victory for West Germany would allow the Austrians and the Germans to advance. A bigger German margin of victory, a tie or an Austrian victory would send Algeria through.
Ten minutes into the match, Horst Hrubesch of West Germany scored the first goal. There would be no more to come and no discernible threat of more to come as both teams effectively spent 80 minutes trying not to score, all too aware that a 1-0 victory for the Germans would serve both their purposes.

It was unsporting. It was unfair, and there was nothing the Algerians or any other outsiders could do to stop it.

In his book on African soccer, “Feet of the Chameleon,” Ian Hawkey wrote that Algerians in the stands in Gijón waved peseta bills toward the players, implying the match had been fixed. Spaniards disapprovingly waved handkerchiefs. Austrian television commentators recommended that viewers turn off their sets.

The Guardian reported that Eberhard Stanjek, commenting on the match for the German network ARD, said on air: “What is happening here is disgraceful and has nothing to do with football. You can say what you like, but not every end justifies the means.”

The headline in the French newspaper L’Équipe the next day was “22 Red Cards.” In Spain and elsewhere, the headlines were about a new anschluss.

Michel Hidalgo, the French manager, who was in Gijón to scout potential opponents, took no notes and told reporters acidly that the teams should share the Nobel Peace Prize.

But there would be no peace of mind for the Algerians, who watched the match in their team hotel.
“We couldn’t believe it,” Rabah Madjer, a striker now considered one of the best players in Algeria’s history, told L’Équipe. “There are ways to make it not look so obvious, but the players were actually walking on the field. Everything was in slow motion.”

The Algerian federation duly filed a protest with FIFA, soccer’s world governing body, but despite calls for sanctions or a replay of that travesty of a match, FIFA rejected the appeal.

“That two big soccer countries could agree among themselves to eliminate a little country like Algeria, which was in its first World Cup, which had just been born in terms of international football, was a shock,” Madjer said. “It was the match of shame.”

To avoid further shame, FIFA changed its World Cup rules to mandate that final matches in a group be played on the same day, at the same time.

But that was not much of a consolation prize for Madjer and the members of the 1982 team. Neither were the apologies that came much later from some of the German players, including goalkeeper Harald Schumacher.

Still, finally reaching the second round — 32 years later in Brazil — has certainly lifted the mood of Algeria, which beat South Korea and tied Russia to finish second in its group, behind Belgium.
Now comes Germany — not West or East Germany, just Germany, and though Germany Coach Joachim Löw sees talk of 1982 as irrelevant to this game, Algeria’s coach Vahid Halilhodzic feels differently.

“We haven’t forgotten,” said Halilhodzic, a Bosnian who was a reserve for Yugoslavia in that cup. “We talk all the time about this match in 1982. History repeats itself 32 years later.”

A true repeat looks unlikely. The Germans, with players like Mesut Ozil and Thomas Müller, are again favorites, but they will certainly watch plenty of film this time. Löw will surely make no jokes about catching planes back to Munich.

It is, in short, very hard to see the Algerians surprising the Germans at this stage, but it is, in the grand scheme of things, an undeniable pleasure to see the Algerians playing at this stage.
 
Algeria gave Germany all they could handle but couldn't quite pull off the upset. Good game. -- Al
 
Algeria gave Germany all they could handle but couldn't quite pull off the upset. Good game. -- Al

...and France only awakened after 85 minutes... The World Cup champions and giants haven't been having an easy walk through the less traditional teams in this Cup as they used to before…
 
Don't mean to be negative, but the overtime periods are all wrong; it should be sudden death, not two 15 minute periods.

Have one and if no goals are scored, then do a second one and if no goals again, then go to a shoot out; f a goal is scored in either period, it should be first goal wins and it ends there....................
 
Don't mean to be negative, but the overtime periods are all wrong; it should be sudden death, not two 15 minute periods.

Have one and if no goals are scored, then do a second one and if no goals again, then go to a shoot out; f a goal is scored in either period, it should be first goal wins and it ends there....................

Then a lot of really good overtime action and 2 goals would have been missed. Sudden death is no guarantee of a quick result. Look at the length of some hockey playoff games.

Terry
 
Then a lot of really good overtime action and 2 goals would have been missed. Sudden death is no guarantee of a quick result. Look at the length of some hockey playoff games.

Terry
True, sudden death doesn't guarantee a quick end. But what is the point of 2 15 minute OT periods when one team scores in the first OT and has the lead at the end of the first 15 minutes. The game should be over at that point. The second 15 minute OT is unnecessary. -- Al
 
It was a valiant effort by Algeria but unfortunately the Desgracia en Gijon was not avenged. Germany was obviously better in the second half and thereafter but not convincing. They certainly haven't lived up to the potential they showed in their thrashing of Portugal. Nonetheless, there are no ugly wins. They don't award you style points.

Regarding George's post, they did try sudden death a few World Cups ago but reverted back to the traditional two overtime periods.
 

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