WW1 1914-2014 Centenary thread (1 Viewer)

[jazzeum]

Sorry didn't respond until now but re-evaluation is not the right term but trying to understand what took place and not merely accept certain interpretations, which may be colored by political events. A question that apparently has been looked at repeatedly is was Germany responsible for the War taking place. From what I have read, interpretations have ranged from yes, back to it was nobody's fault or maybe, back to yes; after WW II the German historian concluded that yes, Germany was to blame.

Brad

 

[Rob]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-British-Tommies-of-1914-were-unlikely-heroes

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world-war-1/452024/Legacy-of-the-Cursed-World-War

 

[Rob]

Rob

I suspect that given the interest generated by the commemorations there may well be a flood of 're-evaluations', some of which will be valuable and thought provoking, while others will be people swimming against the tide just for the sake of it. One interesting point is how difficult it is to discuss the First World War without reference to the Second World War. Was it a sequel or a remake?

We are getting old Rob - no-one actually tapes anything anymore. They record!

Jack

Yes we are mate , I hit fifty not out this year:rolleyes2: (if only our batsmen could have done that down under this year ) Myself and my much better half are engaged in conflict at the moment as we decide who's tv shows will be deleted to make space for the BBC's WW1 season...must not surrender must not surrender!!^&grin

We have the first WW1 series of the promised 2,500 hours of programming tonight. Record button on, phone off, something mellow to drink and off we go:salute::

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

The first Moroccan Crisis in 1905, which was largely caused by the German government (although not necessarily the Kaiser), was one of the important causes that led to World War I in that it caused a great deal of mistrust. Germany felt that it could not stand by and let the French have a free hand in Morocco. Moreover, since the Entente Cordiale between England and France had only been signed been in 1904, the German government used the crisis to drive a wedge between England and France, with the hope that it would fracture the agreement and France would have no choice but to make an alliance with Germany and England would be isolated. Germany also hoped that the US would take their side and that they could get Japan to split from England and join their alliance with Austria-Hungar. In the end, Germany didn't get much at the 1906 Conference.

Below are a couple of cartoons regarding the Crisis.

In the first one, from Harpers Weekly, Germany (possibly the Kaiser), who was not happy with the Entente Cordiale, is shown as trying to drive a wedge between John Bull and Marianne over the issue of Morocco.



In the second one, the powers appear to be sitting peacefully around the "peace pipe," which represents the conference at Algeciras, Spain to settle the Crisis. However, if you look closer, they have guns on hand and bowls of explosives. The rivals France and Germany sit next to each other while England looks disapprovingly at Germany. Spain and Italy are waiting and Uncle Sam looks none too happy.



Brad

 

[Rob]

The first Moroccan Crisis in 1905, which was largely caused by the German government (although not necessarily the Kaiser), was one of the important causes that led to World War I in that it caused a great deal of mistrust. Germany felt that it could not stand by and let the French have a free hand in Morocco. Moreover, since the Entente Cordiale between England and France had only been signed been in 1904, the German government used the crisis to drive a wedge between England and France, with the hope that it would fracture the agreement and France would have no choice but to make an alliance with Germany and England would be isolated. Germany also hoped that the US would take their side and that they could get Japan to split from England and join their alliance with Austria-Hungar. In the end, Germany didn't get much at the 1906 Conference.

Below are a couple of cartoons regarding the Crisis.

In the first one, from Harpers Weekly, Germany (possibly the Kaiser), who was not happy with the Entente Cordiale, is shown as trying to drive a wedge between John Bull and Marianne over the issue of Morocco.

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In the second one, the powers appear to be sitting peacefully around the "peace pipe," which represents the conference at Algeciras, Spain to settle the Crisis. However, if you look closer, they have guns on hand and bowls of explosives. The rivals France and Germany sit next to each other while England looks disapprovingly at Germany. Spain and Italy are waiting and Uncle Sam looks none too happy.

View attachment 144888

Brad

These are excellent Brad, thanks very much for posting.

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

Rob,

It was a pleasure to do it. I'm reading a great book now called The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914, by Margaret MacMillan. The second cartoon came from her book.

This is one of the better books I've read in a long time and it may be because I knew so little about the events and persons/personalities leading up to World War I. It's incredibly fascinating -- but tragic -- to read about the events leading to the looming disaster.

I'm afraid I have the bug {eek3} I've done something that I haven't done before when I sold a piece. I sold my K & C WW I Germans a year or two ago and now I'm purchasing them back, plus a few more that I didn't have. Never done that before.

Brad

 

[Rob]

Rob,

It was a pleasure to do it. I'm reading a great book now called The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914, by Margaret MacMillan. The second cartoon came from her book.

This is one of the better books I've read in a long time and it may be because I knew so little about the events and persons/personalities leading up to World War I. It's incredibly fascinating -- but tragic -- to read about the events leading to the looming disaster.

I'm afraid I have the bug {eek3} I've done something that I haven't done before when I sold a piece. I sold my K & C WW I Germans a year or two ago and now I'm purchasing them back, plus a few more that I didn't have. Never done that before.

Brad

Great to hear that Brad, it gets in your system mate and you are hooked!:salute::

The book sounds good and following you recommendation is now on my list too.^&cool

Wish I'd got all those K&C Jerries now, never mind I decided Britain's and FL will will be my WW1 suppliers along with any new WW1 Andy releases. Hope you get all your lost sets back mate.

Rob

 

[Rob]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...attlefield-memorials-end-First-World-War.html

 

[Rob]

Respecting the enemy's dead;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rowned-sailors-stretches-nearly-100-FEET.html

 

[jazzeum]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...attlefield-memorials-end-First-World-War.html

Incredible photos.

 

[Rob]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zws9xnb

Rob

 

[Rob]

Under aged Soldiers in the British Army....quite a few!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zcvdhyc

 

[PanzerAce1944]

When I was growing up about the age of 9 or so I had a next door neighbor who was a WWI French veteran. He wore hearing aids in both ears as the artillery made him deaf. I believe he was about 80 at the time.
He would still go outside in the winter and shovel snow even at that age !

 

[Rob]

Have been absent without leave of late due to ' off world' events and a good friend of mine wrote and said he missed reading my WW1 articles. So to start my posting again here are a few to get us started;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26479811

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-26442541

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26490482

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26368633

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zwxbjxs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eaving-100-000-vintage-clothing-wardrobe.html

 

[jazzeum]

Thanks for the links Rob.

The second story talks about Brookwood Military Cemetery and the Commonwealth Graves Commission. When I was in Normandy ten years ago, I could see the fine job the Commission does with even the smallest cemeteries.

Brad

 

[Rob]

Thanks for the links Rob.

The second story talks about Brookwood Military Cemetery and the Commonwealth Graves Commission. When I was in Normandy ten years ago, I could see the fine job the Commission does with even the smallest cemeteries.

Brad

My pleasure Brad.

They do a wonderful job don't they. On the Somme or around Ypre even the most remote, rarely visited cemetery is kept in an immaculate condition and meant to recreate an English country garden type atmosphere. The work they carry out is done with care and dedication. Those young heroes lie with their comrades and are looked after decade after decade with respect and pride. They deserve no less.


Rob

 

[lancer]

Really interesting articles, as usual. Found the Welsh uniform story and the women who had all the clothing and memorabilia story of particular interest. Also find the German reluctance to remember WW1 sad, though understandable. -- Al

 

[jazzeum]

The article about German views of the Centennial is quite interesting and I see they mention the Clark book, which is a very good book and which I'm reading now.

Brad

 

[Rob]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...s-dying-wish-carried-out-by-his-German-killer

 

[Rob]

And people are still dying today because of WW1...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26654314