2013 Ashes (1 Viewer)

[larso]

Walking is for a different - amateur - age. With so much money being spent and the importance of modern sport, these things have to be got right. The Australian's were fools the way they used their 2nd referral (not sure of the 1st) but it points to a key thing - even the players have little idea what actually happened some times. Leaving it to a fast bowler - rarely the brightest of creatures to start with - pumped up, half falling over in his delivery stride, to make an objective decision is foolhardy. The only solution to the problems (and England have experienced bad luck as well this same game) is to let the Third umpire change the howlers. No referrals by captains, just the Third watching the same footage we all do and recalling or despatching according to the evidence clearly on his screen.

 

[wayne556517]

Couldn't agree more mate:salute::

Been out all day and missed Broad furore. Glen McGrath says he was within his rights to wait for umpire, what you reckon guys?

Rob

No comment........................................

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

A gentleman would of walked but cricket is no longer a gentleman's game. Good decisions or bad ones you cope them sweet and get on with the game. Chris.

 

[Rob]

A gentleman would of walked but cricket is no longer a gentleman's game. Good decisions or bad ones you cope them sweet and get on with the game. Chris.

I also think these players these days are very much ' it happens to everyone' sort of attitude, good and bad decisions go for and against all teams at some point. As someone pointed out on radio this morning, if a fielding side behind the wicket appeal for a catch and it clearly wasn't one and the batsmen is dismissed do they call the fielder back, nope not normally. As Simmo says, have a rage, then get on with the game.

Rob

 

[Rob]

A gentleman would of walked but cricket is no longer a gentleman's game. Good decisions or bad ones you cope them sweet and get on with the game. Chris.

I also think these players these days are very much ' it happens to everyone' sort of attitude, good and bad decisions go for and against all teams at some point. As someone pointed out on radio this morning, if a fielding side behind the wicket appeal for a catch and it clearly wasn't one and the batsmen is dismissed do they call the fielder back, nope not normally. As Simmo says, have a rage, then get on with the game.

Rob

 

[Rob]

A gentleman would of walked but cricket is no longer a gentleman's game. Good decisions or bad ones you cope them sweet and get on with the game. Chris.

I also think these players these days are very much ' it happens to everyone' sort of attitude, good and bad decisions go for and against all teams at some point. As someone pointed out on radio this morning, if a fielding side behind the wicket appeal for a catch and it clearly wasn't one and the batsmen is dismissed do they call the fielder back, nope not normally. As Simmo says, have a rage, then get on with the game.

Rob

 

[wayne556517]

I also think these players these days are very much ' it happens to everyone' sort of attitude, good and bad decisions go for and against all teams at some point. As someone pointed out on radio this morning, if a fielding side behind the wicket appeal for a catch and it clearly wasn't one and the batsmen is dismissed do they call the fielder back, nope not normally. As Simmo says, have a rage, then get on with the game.

Rob

No your wrong you're just making excuses for a CHEAT.
Will you be as happy when it goes the other way i don't think so.

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Mate that is how the game is. Some decisions go your way and some don't. You may not be old enough to remember Ian Chappell who once captain Australia and he would not walk at all if he was out until the umpire gave him out. The Australian team will be over it by now and will play cricket hard to win. Chris.

 

[wayne556517]

Mate that is how the game is. Some decisions go your way and some don't. You may not be old enough to remember Ian Chappell who once captain Australia and he would not walk at all if he was out until the umpire gave him out. The Australian team will be over it by now and will play cricket hard to win. Chris.

Mate i remember but when its that obvious that is just "Cheating" nothing controversial there.
Gilchrist walked in a game there was question back then asking why he did.

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Mate i remember but when its that obvious that is just "Cheating" nothing controversial there.
Gilchrist walked in a game there was question back then asking why he did.

Gilchrist was a gentleman all the way through so was Border and Greg Hughes but these things are up to the individual and these days winning is everything even it gets in the way of sportsmanship. I have read Roy Masters book on coaching on rugby league and his quote was winning is not the only thing it's everything. I wonder if that takes away from the game . Just some thoughts. Chris.

 

[wayne556517]

Maybe it is but when your time is up how do you what to be remembered ?
He will be remembered as the bloke who was out and didn't walk not the result or what ever he will be remembered for that.

 

[OzDigger]

Should he have walked or not is side issue imo. The main problem is that Cricket has not moved with the times, similar to Soccer in the last World Cup. The procedures need to be changed to allow video replay as a decision tool in these circumstances not the archaic use of limited appeals or whatever to an umpire who may or may not be corrupt.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Ian Healy this morning said did not think he should have walked. Gilchrist would have walked but he was rare in the game.

 

[Jack]

I also think these players these days are very much ' it happens to everyone' sort of attitude, good and bad decisions go for and against all teams at some point. As someone pointed out on radio this morning, if a fielding side behind the wicket appeal for a catch and it clearly wasn't one and the batsmen is dismissed do they call the fielder back, nope not normally. As Simmo says, have a rage, then get on with the game.

Rob

I am always shocked when the question of walking is raised. The last group to consistently walk were ther English teams of the early seventies but over time they came to believe that this put them at a disadvantage against Australian teams of the era who were, shall we say, more inclined to leave things to the umpire. That said, if you decline to walk - as everyone does - you must accept that the opposition will play it just as hard and do the same. The hypocrisy is the belief that it is OK to wait when it is a fine edge but when it is a howler you should 'man up' and walk. Walking has not been common for forty years so it is just a beat up. My favourite was the NZ opener Glen Turner who built a reputation as a walker but some Aussie teams felt he would charge off for the big edges but would hang around when they were close.

For the record, as Larso would attest, I never walked ... I respected the umpires too much to do their job as well as my own!

 

[larso]

"For the record, as Larso would attest, I never walked ... I respected the umpires too much to do their job as well as my own!"

This is true. We played together for twenty years. Most of the games we had to umpire ourselves. While most of the blokes made it easy on each other by walking, Jack was made of sterner stuff and had no time for such cop-outs. I think one of his centuries was achieved despite a big edge before he reached ten. He carries a lot of guilt from that.....

 

[larso]

Australia's morning but England has the upper hand. A few top deliveries at the openers but also some promise of a decent batting effort. I don't think the top order will be as bad as in the first innings. It is an intriguing situation but I'm off to bed for now.

 

[OzDigger]

Seriously guys, this a test match between countries not some local competition, they need to use video facilities, at least for the high level games.

 

[Jack]

"For the record, as Larso would attest, I never walked ... I respected the umpires too much to do their job as well as my own!"

This is true. We played together for twenty years. Most of the games we had to umpire ourselves. While most of the blokes made it easy on each other by walking, Jack was made of sterner stuff and had no time for such cop-outs. I think one of his centuries was achieved despite a big edge before he reached ten. He carries a lot of guilt from that.....

I do need to add in all honesty there was a very strong culture in the team of playing fair when we umpired. I think John would support me in saying that we would never have accepted a team member who cheated. It is easy to say this as it is self serving, but we were, to our cost, very fair.

I was on 18 when I edged behind and I waited. I was given not out by 'our umpire' who was a very fair and just character and in his defense neither he nor the bowler heard the nick. The keeper did ... and my, what a foul mouthed character he was.

 

[Jack]

Seriously guys, this a test match between countries not some local competition, they need to use video facilities, at least for the high level games.

We were quite useless but no one played as hard as we did. We took it very seriously. Some of our team even played sober if it was an important match.

 

[larso]

"We were quite useless but no one played as hard as we did. We took it very seriously. Some of our team even played sober if it was an important match."

As I said, we played for twenty years and there were some disappointing seasons but we also won 7 - 8 premierships! I wish I could do it all again. Cricket - it is a magic game.