Anyone recieved FJs yet?? (1 Viewer)

[Vezzolf]

Hi Frank,
I'm getting a little confused as just yesterday you told me and I quote "

Hi Gebs, I did purchased and receive all but 2 figures of the First Legion WWII Fallschrimjagers.....They are EXCELLENT as most guys already know....helmets are a non-issue.......sorry no photos to share at this time.......but you and my fellow FL colleages can rest assured there are none better...repeat NONE Better....First Legion Rules....Yet again.....and again "

and now all the sudden they are UNDERSIZED ^&confuse^&confuse why no mention of this until Alex said something ^&confuse^&confuse . IMO your giving more credence to the guys who say you really don't own any First Legion figures. Just for the record, I believe you own all you say you have, but I do think this latest revelation a bit strange.. regards Gebhard

Gebs, I have no reason to LIE.... I just placed some of the FL SS Waffen beside the FL Fallschrimjagers....The kneeling SS Waffen are OK with the Fallschrimjagers in size but when you compare the 2 commander figures there is a definite size difference/ problem....The FL Fallschrimjagers are not undersized IMO it is the SS Waffen that are oversized....If the US para's are the same size as the SS Waffen I will very likely not buy them. I will likely consider selling my SS Waffen and keep the Fallschrimjagers....Hope this clarifies things for you...

 

[vandilay]

Gebs, I just placed some of the FL SS Waffen beside the FL Fallschrimjagers....The kneeling SS Waffen are OK with the Fallschrimjagers in size but when you compare the 2 commander figures there is a definite size difference/ problem....The FL Fallschrimjagers are not undersized IMO it is the SS Waffen that are oversized....If the US para's are the same size as the SS Waffen I will very likely not buy them. I will likely consider selling my SS Waffen and keep the Fallschrimjagers....Hope this clarifies things for you...Everything will be CRYSTAL CLEAR.

Just post a couple of comparison photos and let the punters make up their own minds , not sure where all the talk of spin and drama comes into play .

 

[Vezzolf]

Just post a couple of comparison photos and let the punters make up their own minds , not sure where all the talk of spin and drama comes into play .

NO.....It is best for the inqusitive to seek any answers at Battleground Art....Just the facts for those who need to know and want to know.

 

[Firebat]

Hi Alex,
I'm asking again what is the BGA NO SPIN ZONE ?????
Could I also ask why if the review is in progress and being intelligently addressed there why ..the post here yesterday saying..

"WOW are they small..........I mean small

I am the one always remarking about figures being too big....Now this...................I am shocked...."

I would think, it more prudent to wait until all your " FACTS" were in order. I'm really looking forward to your review, and please keep me in mind for the 15% discount. That's just the facts from old Gebhards no spin zone :wink2:sorry I couldn't resist.. regards Gebhard

No problem you are just a bit emotional, we eliminate emotion on the Battleground Art Website ( I dont want to mention the BGA site too much here out of respect ot Treefrog ). Preliminary findings unfortunately seem to be validating my first impression. But I want to hear from everyone before anything is conclusive.

 

[Firebat]

Just post a couple of comparison photos and let the punters make up their own minds , not sure where all the talk of spin and drama comes into play .

I do know where it comes from and I have eliminated it on my own turf, but give me a minute and I will give you something to chew on.

 

[vandilay]

NO.....It is best for the inqusitive to seek any answers at Battleground Art....Just the facts for those who need to know and want to know.

I am happy to wait until someone posts some shots here.
Leaves me scratching my head as to why you raised the subject here though.

 

[sammy719]

Just post a couple of comparison photos and let the punters make up their own minds , not sure where all the talk of spin and drama comes into play .

Spin and drama seem to thrive on the forums, someone gives a opinion the next guy doesn't agree and awayyyyyy we go!!! As Alex, Frank think the WWII ranges are not added up sort of speak others disagree including me, I have every WWII brand of First Legion and they work fine for me, (not FJs yet)as 1-2 guys maybe a bit larger but last I checked every person I ran into today were not the same in height nor weight, also a forum member awhile back posted side by side of the Paras, SS, very to little differance to me.

and Alex as nice as your dio skills are I'm sure there isn't any conspiracy or spin going on here at Treefrog, and also as nice as battle ground art site is you get the same info here just with more variety and topics

 

[Vezzolf]

Again as near as I can tell, the problem is not with the new FL Fallschrimjagers...I think it's the FL SS Waffen that are oversized....I don't own any US para's yet but I am holding off at this time if they are indeed oversized....I don't mind some size variance amomg different FL ranges and eras....But FL WWII should be completely size compatible IMO... WWII Western front, Eastern Front and in between....In some cases the figure size is OFF...DEFINITELY.....Hope this will be recitified by FL....They are still the BEST and their products are too good for these variances to be overlooked... We shall see what the general consensus is regarding the issue....Stay tuned.

 

[Firebat]

ENJOY !

Sammy... Variety absolutely.......Accuracy I am not so sure....Eyes wide open....I dont speak unless I have a very good idea what I am talking about...That is what BGA is about. ( Only for those who who want to make a profound difference in this hobby )

 

[Gebhard]

No problem you are just a bit emotional, we eliminate emotion on the Battleground Art Website / Forum ( I dont want to mention the BGA site too much here out of respect ot Treefrog ). Preliminary findings unfortunately seem to be validating my first impression. But I want to hear from everyone before anything is conclusive.

Emotional ??? What the hell are you talking about^&confuse^&confuse
I'm starting to think the whole purpose of your post here is to generate money and interest in your site. I had a look into the Art Website and it looks like a promotion for another TS dealer and their forum. Not sure who made you the authority and fact checker, I must have missed that thread. I like everyone else here has an opinion, mine is based on what appeals to me and looks closest to the soldier being reproduced and that's what I buy. Others here have different opinions and that's fine with me I like them are very happy with my choices. I don't need someone who gets freebees or kickbacks from manufactures or makes a single dime off this hobby in anyway telling me anything period. Talk about spin:rolleyes2:...
I don't make a dime from the sale or re-sale of TS's period nor have I ever received a dime or free anything from any manufacture can you say the same??? How's that for emotion, no spin just the facts..

 

[Vezzolf]

ENJOY !

Sammy... Variety absolutely.......Accuracy I am not so sure

Alex, Can you put up a size comparison of the SS Waffen Commander Figure vs. the Fallschrimjager Commader Figure?....Quite a size difference with those 2 figures as well. Thank you in advance for your efforts.

 

[Firebat]

Emotional ??? What the hell are you talking about^&confuse^&confuse
I'm starting to think the whole purpose of your post here is to generate money and interest in your site. I had a look into the Art Website and it looks like a promotion for another TS dealer and their forum. Not sure who made you the authority and fact checker, I must have missed that thread. I like everyone else here has an opinion, mine is based on what appeals to me and looks closest to the soldier being reproduced and that's what I buy. Others here have different opinions and that's fine with me I like them are very happy with my choices. I don't need someone who gets freebees or kickbacks from manufactures or makes a single dime off this hobby in anyway telling me anything period. Talk about spin:rolleyes2:...
I don't make a dime from the sale or re-sale of TS's period nor have I ever received a dime or free anything from any manufacture can you say the same??? How's that for emotion, no spin just the facts..

I do what I do to for the modelers / Collectors and help in any way I and promote the upscale end of the hobby. It usually costs me money

I work for no manufacturer, that is proven by the fact that BGA has done studies on most manufacturers stuff with positive and negative results

Look at the following dios

Tell me who is kicking back to me


Is it TGM




Is it Figarti




Is it Jenkins




Is it K&C




Is it TCS






The proof of my integrity is in the previous Factual Post above. This is the integrity I demand on my BGA site

 

[Mitch]

Alex..

I would appreciate a pic of two similar posed figures directly aligned with each other. The poses chosen are not the best when trying to gauge from pics. Two upright figure would be better
Mitch

 

[Gebhard]

Tell me who is kicking back to me

No you tell me ?? Have you ever received discounts ? Gifts ? ect ect from any??? that includes discounts or money from TS Dealers ... I never said your Dio's were bad but the shameless self promotion of your site and your high opinion of your importance leaves a lot to be desired . The world is full of Great Dio builders , Photographers , Painters and I'm proud to be friends with many of them and none of the ones I know consider themselves the final authority on anything. Just for the record I think the word you should be using is inconsistency not inaccuracy as your talking of the consistency or lack there of in size not any inaccuracy in the way First Legion are portraying their figures...

 

[Sahara]

Not a big proponent of the scale issue but here is another pic.

 

[Vezzolf]

Thank You for posting these photos Sahara.....First Legion makes the best detailed, most historically accurate figures out there today....No Question about that....BUT....There is definitely a size inconsistency occurring within the WWII range..... and Alex thank you for bringing it to our attention. This is something which needs to be acknowledged and addressed and again we should be glad it was brought up....I did not even notice at first....I'm a big First Legion fan as is well known......No Kick-Backs, No Monkey Business, No Discounts and I'm NOT A DEALER.......But there is a size problem here......I would just like to know which direction will be taken from here by FL in regards to size for WWII Figures

 

[Mitch]

Thanks for the picture. Although there is a difference in height there is compatibility in terms of the anatomical features and the equipment and weapons.

That for me, anyway, is very important and, it is something that I have stated for a while when talking about scale of figures and the numerous and confusing ways figures are often measured to indicate scale. I don't think these height issues to be on the face important as I want my figures to be different heights etc as that indicates reality and, for me is more important than trying to ensure every figure is exactly the same height. That is unrealistic in any picture etc where every antagonist is the same height, build etc.

I noticed the difference in size when I got the SS but, again the fact that they still married up in terms of what I mentioned means its not as important as it would be if you could not mix weapons and equipment.
Mitch

Not a big proponent of the scale issue but here is another pic.

 

[Firebat]

No you tell me ?? Have you ever received discounts ? Gifts ? ect ect from any??? that includes discounts or money from TS Dealers ... I never said your Dio's were bad but the shameless self promotion of your site and your high opinion of your importance leaves a lot to be desired . The world is full of Great Dio builders , Photographers , Painters and I'm proud to be friends with many of them and none of the ones I know consider themselves the final authority on anything. Just for the record I think the word you should be using is inconsistency not inaccuracy as your talking of the consistency or lack there of in size not any inaccuracy in the way First Legion are portraying their figures...

I have worked for Manufacturers everyone knows that......I no longer do. ..... What is wrong with telling collectors about my site, which has a lot of info on it....I am associated with many great dio builders on my site that is why I formed the International Society of Battleground Artists and gave us a home at my expense. And they all know that one of my objectives is to help with the hobby in any way they can. (ask them)

I get email after email thanking me and the other members for their assistance with whatever question they may have.

I am far from a final authority, all of the reviews we do are by all of us, and I just help summarize the reviews.


So you have just displayed what I said in the beginning as to why I do my reviews on BGA turf where they have been most successful and not affected by dialogue like this.


The Battleground Site is mine.

I do purchase my stuff at Hobby Bunker. If they need a promotional scene for a magazine or something I give them a hand.....Notice one of my pics is on the Treefrog site also.

I just sent Matt ( FL ) Pics for his use recently also.

I am here to do whatever I can for the hobby as a whole, and if a manufacturer screws up no matter who it is I am on board with letting them know about it. We just got done tearing apart Figarti's Panther as an example. FL is not exempt from this

Best
Alex

 

[Vezzolf]

Well Said.

 

[Firebat]

Let me summarize by saying no matter what the outcome of our study......You of course do what you want...But at least we will know we helped our fellow collectors by giving them sound unbiased info to make purchasing decisions...That is what BGA is all about and I am proud of all who participate.