Baseball 2014 (4 Viewers)

[Warrior]

So Pineda gets 10 games for his penalty. I have never understood giving a starting pitcher a suspension that doesn't specifically address his starts. 10 games means Pineda misses 2 starts. What's the point? A CF or 3B or even a relief pitcher gets a 10 game suspension and he misses 10 games. A starting pitcher only goes every 5th day so a 10 game suspension is kind of useless in terms of being an object lesson and really only effects a team in the heat of a pennant race. 10 games in May is what might be called a vacation. Dumb player, dumb suspension, dumb rules. -- Al

Boy you took the words right out of my mouth, basically a two game suspension.

Should be ten STARTS, not ten DAYS.

Baseball really is a broken toilet of a sport.

 

[Warrior]

Its going to be funny watching Buckholtz, who illegally has a large quantity of baby oil in his hair every time he pitches, get tossed out of every game he pitches against the Yankees from now on. Every pitcher in the league uses pine tar or some other substance on cold nights, George. The only reason your manager didn't raise it the first time, despite the fact that everyone knew about it from the second inning on, was the Buckhotz was pitching that night, and he needs the crap in his hair every time he pitches. Now the gloves are off, and remember, when you are cursing some other manager getting Buckholtz tossed, that your manager was the first to rat out another pitcher.

Sorry Louis, that's water, not baby oil.

He dumps a full bottle of water on his head before every start in the dugout, been doing it for years.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your point.

So what did you want Farrell to do; let Pineda (is that Venezualan for pinhead?) pitch with a big blob of pine tar on his neck?

Joe Torre called Cashman and told him to tell Pineda to knock it off.

So he did until he got smacked around in the first inning, then out came the pine tar in the second inning.

On his neck.

After the game, Dennis Eckersley said on the post game show "Put it on the brim of your cap like everyone else does you moron."

If the shoe was on the other foot and Lachey had a big blob of it on his neck, I'd expect Giradi to do the same thing; if he didn't he'd be a fool. The Red Sox let him get away with it once, not twice, enough is enough.

Once he serves his ten game/two start suspension, we'll see what kind of a pitcher he is without cheating.

Take off those pinstriped glasses of yours and see this for what it really is.

 

[jazzeum]

If you don't think Buchholz isn't cheating like Pineda, then read this article by Tom Verducci in SI, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ml...all-red-sox-blue-jays-joey-votto-matt-harvey/

That's what pitchers do, try to bend the rules any which they can, and it's not restricted to any one team.

I'm sure the Pineda thing will die down eventually and things will return to normal but you know the Yankees will be looking at what every Red Sox pitcher is doing. I'm sure if the Yankees get their victim, that will be the end of it. But until then....

 

[Rutledge]

Sorry Louis, that's water, not baby oil.

He dumps a full bottle of water on his head before every start in the dugout, been doing it for years.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your point.

So what did you want Farrell to do; let Pineda (is that Venezualan for pinhead?) pitch with a big blob of pine tar on his neck?

Joe Torre called Cashman and told him to tell Pineda to knock it off.

So he did until he got smacked around in the first inning, then out came the pine tar in the second inning.

On his neck.

After the game, Dennis Eckersley said on the post game show "Put it on the brim of your cap like everyone else does you moron."

If the shoe was on the other foot and Lachey had a big blob of it on his neck, I'd expect Giradi to do the same thing; if he didn't he'd be a fool. The Red Sox let him get away with it once, not twice, enough is enough.

Once he serves his ten game/two start suspension, we'll see what kind of a pitcher he is without cheating.

Take off those pinstriped glasses of yours and see this for what it really is.

I don't recall Glavine Smoltz or Maddox ever getting busted for cheating.

The old "everybody else is doing it" excuse....Really? Try that with a speeding ticket, or cheating on your spouse. Won't fly. Ask Lance.

Sorry, but we had an honor code in high school and college. I never liked cheaters in any activity. If you can't pitch at the major league level without cheating then find another career. Otherwise let's reinstate Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong and watch the freakish results.

Excusing cheaters, even if "on your team", is a dishonorable and shameful act, in my opinion.

 

[Warrior]

Well as long as the Yankees get their revenge, that's all that matters.

At least that's what this MFY fan thinks;
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I'm sure Farrell is soiling himself worried about when the other shoe will drop regarding this............:rolleyes2:

 

[Warrior]

If you don't think Buchholz isn't cheating like Pineda, then read this article by Tom Verducci in SI, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ml...all-red-sox-blue-jays-joey-votto-matt-harvey/

That's what pitchers do, try to bend the rules any which they can, and it's not restricted to any one team.

I'm sure the Pineda thing will die down eventually and things will return to normal but you know the Yankees will be looking at what every Red Sox pitcher is doing. I'm sure if the Yankees get their victim, that will be the end of it. But until then....

Have you seen Buchholz pitch lately Brad; if he's cheating, he's not cheating right as he stinks on ice.

 

[jazzeum]

George,

The article is from last year. Maybe he needs to get creative ^&grin

Brad

 

[jazzeum]

Cheating or bending the rules has been part of the lore of the game since the game was started. ***lord Perry used to joke about it so much that batters were spooked about it. In its early days, baseball was a rough sport, no quarter asked, none given, not the game it is today. Ty Cobb used to come in with spikes high on purpose. You looked for every advantage you could get. This hasn't changed, except the game is too civilized right now.

 

[Louis Badolato]

I don't recall Glavine Smoltz or Maddox ever getting busted for cheating.

The old "everybody else is doing it" excuse....Really? Try that with a speeding ticket, or cheating on your spouse. Won't fly. Ask Lance.

Sorry, but we had an honor code in high school and college. I never liked cheaters in any activity. If you can't pitch at the major league level without cheating then find another career. Otherwise let's reinstate Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong and watch the freakish results.

Excusing cheaters, even if "on your team", is a dishonorable and shameful act, in my opinion.

Maybe I'll go watch a game with you sometime . . . in fantasy land:rolleyes2:

 

[Panzer ace]

I just thought it was a little strange the way Pineda got rocked in the first inning, and then, in the second he looked like Cy Young. The Red Sox did not forget how to hit and Pineda did not learn how to pitch in one half inning so it is clear that it was not just for grip it was a competitive advantage. You factor that in with his history of using pine tar against the Sox and Farrell had no choice but to say something.

The best quote from former major leaguer Gabe Kapler about the fact that Pineda got away with it once then tried it again:

"C'mon, Pineda. This is like getting pulled over by a cop, him not giving you a ticket, & you peeling out in front of him as you drive away."

 

[Rutledge]

Maybe I'll go watch a game with you sometime . . . in fantasy land:rolleyes2:

I played Division III college baseball. If only we were better cheaters maybe we could have played Division I!

A permissive attitude where cheating is the norm may pervade some sports, like football and perhaps baseball, it seems. But golf is different, I guess. It goes to great lengths to ensure the integrity of the game. Perhaps sometime to an annoying degree. (Ask Tiger Woods.) But fans know that when somebody wins its fair and square.

Of course cheating and other reprehensible tactics pervade society and ever certain "professions". Doesnt make it right or defensible. After all if NO ONE cheated, nobody else would have to, now would they.

It's why steroids and other PEDs are banished from respectable sports. The integrity of the game is paramount. No one wants to see a bunch of juice monsters slapping out 70 to 80 home runs a year. Or at least nobody I know.

 

[jazzeum]

Respectable sports? Please, spare us the sanctimony. You don't think they do steroids in golf. C'mon, you know better.

If you have no interest in MLB, no one's forcing you to read this thread.

 

[Rutledge]

Respectable sports? Please, spare us the sanctimony. You don't think they do steroids in golf. C'mon, you know better.

If you have no interest in MLB, no one's forcing you to read this thread.

Please.

I have followed and cheered for the Braves since I was a kid. Former season ticket holder, was there when Sid Bream lumbered home to win the division, yada yada. I'm a huge baseball fan. Now I don't care for the Ameriicsn League (DH), which, along with the mid Atlantic/NE area teams, are the most frequent topics here.

Steroids in golf? Seriously? Do you play? Do you see a lot of bulky muscular pro golfers? How about none. It's actually better to be slim and lithe more than muscular. My guess is you must have never swung a club. But yeah, maybe Phil Mickelson, or John Daly, with their incredible physiques, are massive steroid users.

Most pro athletes are freaks of nature, physically. If that's god given, cool. If it's enhanced with drugs, ugh. Did you disagree with the uproar when Lance Armstrong was finally caught- and stripped of his titles? Surely not. Surely.

I don't like when anyone cheats at anything. How bout that poker player who was using fake chips? I mean where do you draw the distinction between acceptable cheating and non acceptable cheating? It becomes a very fuzzy line. I appreciate that life ain't black and white but were talking about games created by humans with rules over which we have sole and complete provenance.

If having high standards of behavior and sense of honor makes me sanctimonious, so be it. Ill wear the moniker proudly.

 

[jazzeum]

Mets, somewhat incredibly, continued to win, taking 3 out of 4 from the Red Birds, despite having one of the worst offenses. However, it's starting to show signs of life. Dice K closed out yesterday's game and looked good doing it and Bobby Abreu -- yes, I kid you not -- went 1 for 3. They are getting superb pitching and that is their strength and it will only get better.

 

[Panzer ace]

Mets, somewhat incredibly, continued to win, taking 3 out of 4 from the Red Birds, despite having one of the worst offenses. However, it's starting to show signs of life. Dice K closed out yesterday's game and looked good doing it and Bobby Abreu -- yes, I kid you not -- went 1 for 3. They are getting superb pitching and that is their strength and it will only get better.

Brad:

It is good to see the Mets doing so well. Maybe the lack of expectations is actually helping them?

-Jason

 

[jazzeum]

I don't know about the lack of expectation because originally this was supposed to be the year and the fans are getting impatient.

However, their starting pitching has been really good. Next year Harvey will be back and they have two of the best pitching prospects in baseball waiting in the wings.

Tonight they hey pulled one out after having a bullpen lapse in the 8th. Granderson had the winning hit and he might finally be starting to emerge from his rough start.

 

[lancer]

Just noticed that after last night's games, every team in the AL East is on the negative side of the runs scored-runs against stat. The negative ranges from 1 run (Baltimore) to 10 runs (Boston and NY). Not that many runs and certainly capable of all swinging to positive in a one game span. It highlights what an evenly matched group the AL East is. The spread from 1st to last is 3 games. I think it is likely to stay this close all season. It will provide hours of entertainment, agony and ecstasy, for those with a team interest in the AL East. JMO.:wink2:^&grin -- Al

 

[lancer]

Sure would like to see the Nats and the O's attain some consistency and start stringing some wins together. Both are just sputtering along with no real spark. I guess you would call it mediocrity to this point. Nats are 14-12 and the O's are 12-12. I hope to see them start to play better as the season goes on. Just a little disappointing so far. -- Al

 

[sammy719]

Sure would like to see the Nats and the O's attain some consistency and start stringing some wins together. Both are just sputtering along with no real spark. I guess you would call it mediocrity to this point. Nats are 14-12 and the O's are 12-12. I hope to see them start to play better as the season goes on. Just a little disappointing so far. -- Al

Hi Al, yea I thought after the last road series we (Orioles) had built some momemtum but after that KC whipping not thinking so but good news as Manny M. looks to be back in a week or so and D. Bundy is on target for a June start!! and hoping that C. Davis is back after the 15 DL as is ready to go, been a tough schedule to start this year, but we're right in the thick of things with all the injuries, but even when we get healthy we need better starting pitching...Sammy

 

[lancer]

Hi Al, yea I thought after the last road series we (Orioles) had built some momemtum but after that KC whipping not thinking so but good news as Manny M. looks to be back in a week or so and D. Bundy is on target for a June start!! and hoping that C. Davis is back after the 15 DL as is ready to go, been a tough schedule to start this year, but we're right in the thick of things with all the injuries, but even when we get healthy we need better starting pitching...Sammy

Sammy, I complain about the 12-12 record but I think the O's are actually doing well considering the starting pitching problems and especially the slow starts by Davis, Jones, and Hardy. Thank heavens Cruz is picking up some of the hitting slack.:wink2: -- Al