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lancer said:
Don't know how serious the O's pursuit of Cespedes actually was. Reports are Cespedes wanted a multi-year (naturally) deal for more money than the O's have now signed Davis for. I believe that the Cespedes pursuit was a deliberate attempt on the part of the O's to get Davis to commit. I don't see any way that the O's would have ever paid Cespedes the kind of money he was apparently asking for. That said, the O's still need an outfielder and local speculation is that a 1-year offer to Cespedes isn't impossible, although Cespedes probably isn't interested in a 1-year deal. This is a great chance for the Mets to step in and resign Cespedes, if he doesn't keep insisting that he is worth $150 mil. -- Al
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Cespedes has said that he wants $150 mil from an East Coast team, AL or NL. That limited the list of teams from the start and now that list is even shorter.
 
I think the only teams that may be interested in Cespedes are Angels (iffy), Tigers (a possibility), White Sox and Mets (doubtful unless he wants to sign a one or two year contract). Cespedes is not Alderson's kind of player: low on base percentage.
 
lancer said:
Don't know how serious the O's pursuit of Cespedes actually was. Reports are Cespedes wanted a multi-year (naturally) deal for more money than the O's have now signed Davis for. I believe that the Cespedes pursuit was a deliberate attempt on the part of the O's to get Davis to commit. I don't see any way that the O's would have ever paid Cespedes the kind of money he was apparently asking for. That said, the O's still need an outfielder and local speculation is that a 1-year offer to Cespedes isn't impossible, although Cespedes probably isn't interested in a 1-year deal. This is a great chance for the Mets to step in and resign Cespedes, if he doesn't keep insisting that he is worth $150 mil. -- Al
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I'm glad we signed C. Davis but there is some hard feelings there still on my end, he and his agent dragged this signing out way to long and when they saw the O's moving on possibly to Cespedes all of a sudden they couldn't sign the contract fast enough??? I liked B. Showalters words to Davis stating 'how is 150 million dollars not enough money to live on for the rest of your life''??? all I know is he needs to earn that contract and not leading the league in strikeouts would be a good start, again I'm glad he is still a Oriole and hopefully help the team get back into the playoffs this season...Sammy
 
sammy719 said:
I'm glad we signed C. Davis but there is some hard feelings there still on my end, he and his agent dragged this signing out way to long and when they saw the O's moving on possibly to Cespedes all of a sudden they couldn't sign the contract fast enough??? I liked B. Showalters words to Davis stating 'how is 150 million dollars not enough money to live on for the rest of your life''??? all I know is he needs to earn that contract and not leading the league in strikeouts would be a good start, again I'm glad he is still a Oriole and hopefully help the team get back into the playoffs this season...Sammy
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Sammy, I am thrilled to see Davis stay with the O's, but as you indicated, he now has to produce and lead the O's to the promised land. Lots of pressure for Davis, but he is now getting the money he sought so he better be ready for it. -- Al
 
Although he may not be well liked, Boras only did what a good representative should do: try to get as much for your client as he can. He thought there may have been a better market for Davis and when he realized there wasn't, got his client his contract and by getting a little more, saved a little face.
 
lancer said:
Sammy, I am thrilled to see Davis stay with the O's, but as you indicated, he now has to produce and lead the O's to the promised land. Lots of pressure for Davis, but he is now getting the money he sought so he better be ready for it. -- Al
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Agreed Al, time to earn those 161 million snappers, sad part is I think back to 2015 during most any part of the season with the O's having runners in scoring position and Davis coming up to bat and thinking "oh no, here comes a strikeout!! and it would happen more times like that then I care for, so for 161 million??? if Davis thought there was pressure last year,?? as the ol saying goes "you ain't seen nothing yet!!"...Sammy
 
That contract probably helps Cespedes but probably not the Mets' chances of signing him to a short term contact.
 
jazzeum said:
That contract probably helps Cespedes but probably not the Mets' chances of signing him to a short term contact.
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I think the Mets still have a chance. As I see it, the usual big spenders are not really in the picture right now. The Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Tigers are the teams that he would have to be looking to for a big multi-year deal. By signing Upton, I think Detroit has taken itself out of the running. The Yankees would have to trade Gardner to open up space in an already crowded outfield, so I don't think they are in the picture. The Red Sox and Dodgers already have good outfields, so where is a big, multi-year deal coming from?

Who else would spend the money? The Blue Jays already have a terrific outfield, the Orioles just made their big signing, the Royals, Rays and A's don't have that kind of payroll. I don't see the Cardinals signing a contract like that. Maybe the Cubs? They have been spending money like it grows on trees lately, but I don't think they have shown any interest. The rumors I have heard relate to the Astros, but when was the last time they gave out a contract that big?

If no one else throws money at him, the Mets could grab him for 4 years, 80 million. The question is, are the Mets willing to make that big an investment?
 
lancer said:
Sammy, I am thrilled to see Davis stay with the O's.................
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So am I.

Sorry, that's a bad deal for the O's that's going to get worse on the back end of it.

Resources that could have been used better elsewhere.
 
Warrior said:
So am I.

Sorry, that's a bad deal for the O's that's going to get worse on the back end of it.

Resources that could have been used better elsewhere.
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Almost every long term deal is bad on the back end and every club goes in knowing that. The clubs are hoping to get 4-5 good years. I don't think any club can expect a 7-10 year deal to be good for that length of time. They hope to get the good years and then deal with the dead weight as they have to. We'll see how this one works out. -- Al
 
and the next to last team in spending...

YOUR MILWAUKEE BREWERS!!!!

Insert cheers here.
 
Mets have moved up on that list; they signed Bastardo tonight for two years for $12 million.
 
The new rumor is that the Nats are interested in Cespedes if his asking price is right. The Marlins are out as they say their outfield is already set.
 
I have heard that but their outfield is crowded already so I don't see them as a likely destination.
 
The Cespedes to DC rumor has been kicking around for awhile and this one appears accurate. There is an offer on the table but it's less than the Upton deal. The Nats do indeed have a glut in the outfield but Cespedes would be a hedge against Werth, who has been injury prone and who's output is diminishing. You can never have too many good ballplayers, especially considering the injury rates. -- Al
 
Yes, but where do you play him. He obviously is not playing RF. As we unfortunately saw, he's not the greatest CF, not to mention Revere fits in nicely there (and why no respect for Taylor) and you have Werth in LF. Having Cespedes as a hedge against Werth is very expensive. Perhaps it's the other way around and Werth will backup Cespedes. However, Werth is making $18 million a year so that too is an expensive proposition, unless the Nats are going to try to move him. If so, they're going to have pay most of that. It's a deal that (if it comes to fruition) doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
 
jazzeum said:
Yes, but where do you play him. He obviously is not playing RF. As we unfortunately saw, he's not the greatest CF, not to mention Revere fits in nicely there (and why no respect for Taylor) and you have Werth in LF. Having Cespedes as a hedge against Werth is very expensive. Perhaps it's the other way around and Werth will backup Cespedes. However, Werth is making $18 million a year so that too is an expensive proposition, unless the Nats are going to try to move him. If so, they're going to have pay most of that. It's a deal that (if it comes to fruition) doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
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I agree with you, Brad. Cespedes and Werth combined is too much money for one outfield position. As you point out, CF is covered, be it Revere or Taylor, and RF is locked up. If the Nats get Cespedes, I think Werth will be odd man out. I really don't know what the Nats are thinking. -- Al
 
lancer said:
I agree with you, Brad. Cespedes and Werth combined is too much money for one outfield position. As you point out, CF is covered, be it Revere or Taylor, and RF is locked up. If the Nats get Cespedes, I think Werth will be odd man out. I really don't know what the Nats are thinking. -- Al
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I saw a report on the MLB network about his potential signing and what it might do to the Nat's roster. If they signed Cespedes the plan would be to demote or trade Taylor, have Revere platoon with Werth, and utilize Bryce Harper and/or Cespedes in center when Revere isn’t in the lineup.

I think most if not all of this still hinges on Cespedes' asking price.
 
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