Battle for Arnhem.... (4 Viewers)

And as a great many older eye witness books state, the Battle of Arnhem is a subject rather open to unique interpretation all of its own, I find the Arnhem example on here is noexception. Tho be it though toy soldier figures or Text and Photos.
 
This is my favorite thread on the forum, because I love Kevin's photography and historical account of this critical battle. Could we please focus on depicting the history on this thread, and discuss the historical accuracy (or lack thereof) of various manufacturer's products on the threads in those manufacturer's forums? I am happy to rivet count on a thread started for that purpose, but this one quite clearly is not. Thank you.
 
This is my favorite thread on the forum, because I love Kevin's photography and historical account of this critical battle. Could we please focus on depicting the history on this thread, and discuss the historical accuracy (or lack thereof) of various manufacturer's products on the threads in those manufacturer's forums? I am happy to rivet count on a thread started for that purpose, but this one quite clearly is not. Thank you.
Well said Louis.
 
It is difficult to express anything on here other than background , because always someone tries to say your nit picking....too bad.
Maxime Chevallier, you were recently banned under your previous forum name 'The Major', if you continue to be a pest I am sure the forum owner will ban you again if you do not comply with the forum rules.
 
I do not really endorse or support K and C figures as a collector . I find the quality of the Sculpting, especially the faces, rather "bland" and un realistic, the figures are larger than 1/32 Scale and rather "chunky"...and a lot of thin black painted "lines" reminiscent of Mid Seventies techniques, are used to try to define better the webbing details etc....

There are a great many Modern type "books" in the Hobby Industry, filled not with text but with colour photos.... described as "Beautiful" but i disagree with this.

Taking a lot of colour photogrpahs of something in my pown personal opinion I find mediocre quality, does not make it a high quality item, or especially an Artistic standard or acolade achievement in terms of Artistic Quality, definition of Detail, facial expressions, posture etc, (all levels of work previously achieved in our Industry but which now appear to be taking a backward hike), especially in view of some of the very high sided prices K and C Items go for on E Bay and at Shows...

Sorry....its just not "up there" with true industry greats like Sid Horton, or D F Grieve to mention only a few....
Proof if anything, that bungng laods of cash into something, doe snot make it a success from an Aesthetic, Artistic and Object value point of view.
Sorry if this viewpoint is not the cup of Tea of some other Modellers, it is not my intention to offend, but I feel it is important to make a difference between the quality of the items in the photos and other rather better and well made products.
Why?
 
It is difficult to express anything on here other than background , because always someone tries to say your nit picking....too bad.
'Too bad' you say..........to date members have engaged with you respectfully, which is in total contrast to your diatribe of dribble and waffle, clearly designed specifically to hijack a topic of interest to many on here.

Unless you wish to participate as a mature human adult and carry on with the theme of the thread.........kindly sod off and go play in your own troll AI sandpit with all your other 'special' friends.......

Cheers.
 
Maxime Chevallier, you were recently banned under your previous forum name 'The Major', if you continue to be a pest I am sure the forum owner will ban you again if you do not comply with the forum rules.
......its probably a bot or some bored snot-nose, spotty limp-dick with nothing better to do on a Monday night other than annoy and pretend they actually know what they are talking about.........members should be aware there is a whole community of bored idiots out there who wet themselves over such things.

Given the massive number of so-called 'guests' & visitors logging in to TF these days I'm not surprised the site attracts the odd clown.
 
......its probably a bot or some bored snot-nose, spotty limp-dick with nothing better to do on a Monday night other than annoy and pretend they actually know what they are talking about.........members should be aware there is a whole community of bored idiots out there who wet themselves over such things.

Given the massive number of so-called 'guests' & visitors logging in to TF these days I'm not surprised the site attracts the odd clown.
More like a failed French entrepreneur with delusions of grandeur, a sad luddite that has difficulty accepting reality.
 
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

Some of the battalions were up to a hundred men short because of aircraft losses and men dropping away, an initial loss of strength of nearly 20 per cent. The number of the brigade's dead in the actual drop and the immediate action on the ground was four officers and approximately twenty-eight other ranks.

IMGP8246rcsrcz.JPG


One of the officers was Lieutenant Yves Hacart, a French officer attached to 156 Battalion.

IMG_5601 = crsr 0.JPG

He had been sent to this unit as a liaison officer for a planned drop in France and need not have taken part in this operation. No one knows how Lieutenant Hacart died; but when his family had his body exhumed in 1949 to take it to their home near Rouen, his parachute harness was still on his body, suggesting that he was killed in the air or immediately after landing, possibly caught up in a tree.

The confused nature of the drop resulted in more accidents than normal. Among the many injured were Padre Raymond Bowers of the 10th Battalion, who broke his ankle, and Major Aeneas Perkins, commander of the 4th Parachute Squadron, who dislocated his shoulder, but both would return to their units later.

Three sergeants in 156 Battalion had pooled their 'comforts'; one took all the whisky, one the cigarettes and one the chocolate.

IMG_5369 = crs 01.JPG

IMG_5420csr.JPG

IMGP1910rczs.JPG


Two were injured, and only the one with the bottles of whisky was present when the battalion moved off.
 
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

Some of the battalions were up to a hundred men short because of aircraft losses and men dropping away, an initial loss of strength of nearly 20 per cent. The number of the brigade's dead in the actual drop and the immediate action on the ground was four officers and approximately twenty-eight other ranks.

View attachment 351238


One of the officers was Lieutenant Yves Hacart, a French officer attached to 156 Battalion.

View attachment 351239

He had been sent to this unit as a liaison officer for a planned drop in France and need not have taken part in this operation. No one knows how Lieutenant Hacart died; but when his family had his body exhumed in 1949 to take it to their home near Rouen, his parachute harness was still on his body, suggesting that he was killed in the air or immediately after landing, possibly caught up in a tree.

The confused nature of the drop resulted in more accidents than normal. Among the many injured were Padre Raymond Bowers of the 10th Battalion, who broke his ankle, and Major Aeneas Perkins, commander of the 4th Parachute Squadron, who dislocated his shoulder, but both would return to their units later.

Three sergeants in 156 Battalion had pooled their 'comforts'; one took all the whisky, one the cigarettes and one the chocolate.

View attachment 351240

View attachment 351241

View attachment 351242


Two were injured, and only the one with the bottles of whisky was present when the battalion moved off.
Love the story of the 3 sergeants pooling their 'comforts'
 
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

The glider landing was a less dramatic and less costly operation. The tug aircraft approached at 3,000 feet, which enabled the combinations to escape German small-arms fire. The gliders then cast off and made their final approach in a steep dive.

Horsa landed = s 0 - Copy.jpg


One glider pilot was Staff Sergeant Bert Harget of E Squadron.

IMG_7699sr.JPG


He was flying on the extreme right-hand side of the stream when he cast off and he took a long, careful approach over Arnhem and then over Deelen airfield. Not one flak shell was fired at him, and he was not aware of any other fire. So much for the supposed flak defences at Deelen, which had dictated the route in the air plan!

IMG_7633csr.jpg


A total of 273 gliders reached the cast-off point. They were to use two landing zones (see map).

the second lift.jpg

Approximately a quarter of them - mostly carrying the balance of the Airlanding Brigade infantry and including many of the glider parties which had landed prematurely in England from the first lift - would land on LZ-S, the one north of the railway line at Wolfheze which had been used the previous day.

The main group would then come in to LZ-X, which was the large area used as a parachute-dropping zone on the first lift. The loads landed here would mostly be the balance of the division's artillery and transport, together with a large quantity of ammunition which was part of the first daily resupply, being brought in more reliably by glider than being dropped by parachute.

Among the gliders were ten Horsas flying from Manston carrying the first element of the Polish brigade - five anti-tank guns and a small Brigade HQ advance party, twenty-six men in total.

075-rscr0.JPG


Also coming in were the two remaining RAF radar-warning-unit gliders and a glider which had fallen out from the Corps HQ lift the previous day. It landed safely, but its occupants were forced to remain with the Arnhem troops; one man, a signals officer's batman, would be killed at Arnhem.

It mostly went very well, thanks to the firmer ground being used than on the previous day, the good work of the 1st Border in defending the landing zones .....

..... and the skill of the glider pilots.
 
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

Sixty nine Horsas got down safely on LZ-S, despite having to land between the previous day's gliders, which looked like 'a crowded car-park'.

There were no serious crashes, although two glider pilots - Staff Sergeant 'Andy' Andrews and Sergeant Paddy Senier – who had landed the previous day and were manning a slit trench on the edge of LZ-S had a narrow escape. Both men sent accounts; this is Paddy Senier's:

"One glider made its final approach straight towards our position. The pilot was trying hard to get it on the ground, but only the nose wheel touched, and he could not get the main wheels down. When it became clear to us that his speed was too great and that he was going to hit our area, we both jumped out of the trench and tried to move back quickly through the trees. The tangle of undergrowth and low branches defeated our efforts, and we had not gone far when there was an almighty bang over our heads and we dropped flat.

A great cloud of dust arose, and when it cleared I saw that I was under the fuselage and behind the nose wheel, and Andy was behind the skid and also under the fuselage. Fortunately for us the undercarriage had not collapsed, and this was forcibly brought home to us when we saw that the port main wheel had crushed the head of a dead German who had been killed shortly before".


'Andy' Andrews looked up and saw the grinning face of the pilot, Captain David Treherne, just above him.

According to another glider pilot who watched the crash:

'One of the pilots, a tall, languid ex-Etonian, emerged unscathed and, adjusting his red beret, drawled, "God, isn't this hell, old boy? Have you got a drink?" We were able to oblige.'

IMGP2273-2crsr.JPG


There were remarkably few glider crashes on either of the landing zones. Even most of the large Hamilcars got down safely. There was one danger area at the southern end of LZ-X. A German force had infiltrated between two of the Border companies and was able to fire on the gliders landing there.

IMGP1172 - rs 0.JPG


The Borders tried to suppress this opposition by mortar fire; Major Cousens, the temporary commanding officer of the Borders, later said:

'As each glider came in, the Germans were mortared, but, in order to avoid hitting gliders in mid-air, the timing of the mortar bomb had to be exact to a fraction of a second, a successful and amusing game."

IMGP5727 = rs 0.JPG


At least three gliders were hit by German fire, however. One, containing artillerymen of the Light Regiment, had two men killed and an officer seriously wounded. A REME glider was hit, with the two glider pilots and an REME jeep driver killed and an officer, Lieutenant Harry Roberts, badly wounded and then pinned down on the landing zone for several hours exchanging fire with the Germans until recovered by British stretcher-bearers that evening.

The third glider casualty from this German fire was one of the Horsas carrying part of the RAF radar warning units. This was hit on its final approach and set on fire. The co-pilot, Sergeant Bill Ferguson, was injured by a bullet which travelled the length of his spine, ripping the skin away, but not seriously damaging the bone.

The occupants of this glider all managed to crawl away to the shelter of nearby woodland.

IMGP5822 = rsc 0.JPG


The glider and its contents burned out completely.
 
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

That left only one of the four gliders with these RAF loads to land safely. It also came down on that part of the landing zone which was under German fire.

IMGP1528 - src 0.JPG


There was no one to help the occupants unload the heavy packing cases, and there were no vehicles to carry the equipment away even if it could be unloaded.

IMG_25671csr.JPG


The senior glider pilot, Staff Sergeant John Kennedy, and the RAF officer in charge, Flight Lieutenant Richards, decided to destroy the load by placing explosive charges among it. So that ill-starred venture produced absolutely nothing.

IMGP8479csrz.JPG


Even if all four gliders carrying radar warning units had landed safely, or just two with sufficient equipment to produce one radar unit, there was no reception party with vehicles waiting for them, and the equipment would have had to be abandoned on a landing zone that was about to be evacuated by friendly troops. The wounded glider pilots and some of the RAF men obtained a lift on a passing jeep; the remainder set off on foot to find Divisional HQ.

There were no serious unloading problems for most of the gliders, and all but one was safely emptied by 5.30 p.m. The resupply operation by glider had mostly been successful. Three Hamilcars heavily loaded with trailers full of ammunition had been dispatched as an experiment; two were unloaded, but the Germans captured the third before it could be emptied. Horsa gliders had brought in fifteen jeeps, each with two trailers full of ammunition for the air landing battalions; and an RASC light transport platoon of eighteen jeeps and trailers had also been sent; so each brigade could have a reserve ammunition column.

007csrX.JPG


The five Polish anti-tank guns landed safely and were driven to Divisional HQ, the Poles hoping that they could join up with their own brigade, due in on the following morning.

The actual glider landing, even under fire at one place, appears to have cost the lives of only eight men: four glider pilots, two artillerymen, one REME jeep driver and a 10th Battalion man travelling with one of his unit's jeeps.

The RAF tug aircraft flew home safely, having lost only one Stirling but with thirty aircraft damaged by flak. One Dakota, flown by Flying Officer Ron McTeare of 575 Squadron, returned to England with a heavy glider tow rope wrapped around its starboard wing. Flying Officer Frank Gee, the second pilot, describes this:

“There was the sound of a very large 'thwack', the same sound as when you hit a car rubber mat against a wall, and the whole aircraft shuddered from stem to stern. On looking out of my window I saw that wrapped around the starboard wing was a tow rope dropped by another aircraft. The double ends that affix to the glider blotted out any aileron control, and the single shackle that affixes to the tug was trailing out some 300 feet behind”.

The two pilots managed to reach England and land at Framlingham, the first airfield they could find with an open approach. The heavy tug shackle tore up thirty yards of concrete 'as if it were cardboard'.

There was one more element of the air operation. The parachute resupply for this day had been sent in thirty-three Stirlings from Harwell. Their loads were 803 panniers or containers loaded with eighty-six tons of supplies, mostly gun and mortar ammunition, with some petrol, but no food. These were to be parachuted on LZ-L, an open space in the woods north-west of Oosterbeek (see map, above).

One Stirling had turned back; one had been shot down earlier in the flight; the remaining thirty-one flew in just after the glider landing and released their supplies. RASC jeeps and trailers went out to collect these supplies. This supply drop was another element of the plans made under the assumption that there would be little opposition; the area chosen was not yet fully under British control and only twelve tons of the supplies were gathered in.

One Stirling, a 570 Squadron aircraft, was hit by flak and later crashed near Nijmegen, the third aircraft from that squadron to be lost that day. That made ten aircraft - six American and four RAF — lost from the Arnhem lift.

128 (2) - rs 0.JPG


Arnhem was starting to become costly for the air units, and the poor collection of supplies on the ground was a portent of difficulties to come. A signal was sent to England urging that the next day's supply drop should be made close to the Hartenstein at Oosterbeek, which was securely in British hands.

So ended the second lift and now that the 1st British Airborne Division was complete, so in theory, it could gather itself in from those exposed landing areas and concentrate all of its effort to getting into Arnhem.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top