Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack (2 Viewers)

[OzDigger]

 

[tdubel]

I doubt very much that any Australians consider Israel is on the same 'Terrorist' level as Muslims and we have seen on our TVs where Muslims shouted 'Gas the Jews' etc at recent national events. However as you may know, Israel has a history of 'aquiring' land from Muslims and untaking military action to retain it. My Grandfather served in the Middle East during WWI, including Military Policing of Aussie Soldiers and the 'Natives', he didn't see any Jews there, all the locals were Muslims/Arabs, or at least they were in the Vast Majority. Subsequently Muslims have tried to take their land back with military action but keep losing. What other choice do they have, Guerrilla actions are not confined to Muslims. I am certainly not condoning their Terrorist actions, but can 'kind of' understand their motivation. And most Religious Books are Hard Core Against other Religions Etc, it's not confined to Muslims.

And you have to view comments from most Aussies based on the fact that most don't believe there is a god, combine that with a very upsetting Terrorist action in a place that most Australians hold 'sacred', for want of a better word. Then don't be surpised why many Australians are now thinking; Why does our Government support these varied Religious groups, they only bring Aggravation and Misery, not the Hope and Good Will that their Dogma Professes. Now our Government wants to crack down on Guns as they are too gutless to adopt a more effective response, and I'm really Pi$$ed Off about that.

Long story short Israel has only "acquired" land when they have been attacked, they kick said attackers rear end then they keep the land as a buffer. Again they are not the aggressor. As I said it is not a gray area, their is only one group who is responsible for these disasters and it is Muslim terrorists. No ifs ands or but about it.

 

[Rutledge]

Well of course you're not going to change your mind despite all the Scientific Evidence, you have experienced a Lifetime of Indoctrination, similar to most Muslims

At least Stop with the 'Multiversing' Dude, very few Scientists think that's 'a thing'.

However, I will agree with you on One thing, as do most Scientists. The Universe is a Very Hostile environment, Solar Sytems where multicellular, especially 'Intelligent' life, is able to develop is likely to be Extremely Rare, we are indeed Special on Earth.

You’re way off base here, hoss. (First thing, do not ever again say I’m similar to a Muslim. Ever. Things will get very ugly, very fast if you do, even “in jest”.)

Until about 10 years ago I was very non-religious, agnostic, mostly, not quite atheist, but nearly. At one point I even attended a local debate featuring Christopher Hitchens and had him sign a copy of his most recent book. So to say that I’ve been under the influence of a “lifetime of indoctrination” is an obvious falsehood made up by you to fit your preferred narrative. The reasons for my turnaround are complex and not up for discussion.

That said, you then missed by a mile why I came to be a believer in God. It’s BECAUSE of the science — not despite it. I repeat. Because OF the science. I’ve already referenced some of the major issues. What caused the Big Bang? The law of cause and effect is immutable. Things don’t cause themselves. The fine tuning of the universe. This delves mostly into the world of quantum mechanics. You know, the double slit experiment/Schrodeinger’s cat, the ironically titled “god particle” discovered at CERN, etc. Or maybe you don’t… And of course the origin of life. No scientist life has ever proven of demonstrated that life can spontaneously spring from non biological matter. Though lord knows they’ve tried — in labs. Nonetheless the primordial ooze hypothesis is still nothing but a lifeless mud puddle.

There are many many other scientific-based arguments that support the idea of a God. I’m not going to duplicate them here. There are plenty of books on the subject should you eject to read up on it. I’m quite sure you won’t.

Steven Hawking was one of the early sponsors of the multiverse. Perhaps you’re familiar? . Anyway. If you don’t believe in god, fine by me. Just don’t demean my belief as non scientific or say it’s based on my having a weak mind and succumbing to propaganda.

 

[OzDigger]

You’re way off base here, hoss. (First thing, do not ever again say I’m similar to a Muslim. Ever. Things will get very ugly, very fast if you do, even “in jest”.)

Until about 10 years ago I was very non-religious, agnostic, mostly, not quite atheist, but nearly. At one point I even attended a local debate featuring Christopher Hitchens and had him sign a copy of his most recent book. So to say that I’ve been under the influence of a “lifetime of indoctrination” is an obvious falsehood made up by you to fit your preferred narrative. The reasons for my turnaround are complex and not up for discussion.

That said, you then missed by a mile why I came to be a believer in God. It’s BECAUSE of the science — not despite it. I repeat. Because OF the science. I’ve already referenced some of the major issues. What caused the Big Bang? The law of cause and effect is immutable. Things don’t cause themselves. The fine tuning of the universe. This delves mostly into the world of quantum mechanics. You know, the double slit experiment/Schrodeinger’s cat, the ironically titled “god particle” discovered at CERN, etc. Or maybe you don’t… And of course the origin of life. No scientist life has ever proven of demonstrated that life can spontaneously spring from non biological matter. Though lord knows they’ve tried — in labs. Nonetheless the primordial ooze hypothesis is still nothing but a lifeless mud puddle.

There are many many other scientific-based arguments that support the idea of a God. I’m not going to duplicate them here. There are plenty of books on the subject should you eject to read up on it. I’m quite sure you won’t.

Steven Hawking was one of the early sponsors of the multiverse. Perhaps you’re familiar? . Anyway. If you don’t believe in god, fine by me. Just don’t demean my belief as non scientific or say it’s based on my having a weak mind and

Jew, Muslim, Christian, or whatever, all the same to most Australians. It doesn't matter how you aquired your delusions, just keep them out of our country.

Long story short Israel has only "acquired" land when they have been attacked, they kick said attackers rear end then they keep the land as a buffer. Again they are not the aggressor. As I said it is not a gray area, their is only one group who is responsible for these disasters and it is Muslim terrorists. No ifs ands or but about it.

Try reading some 'correct' history.

 

[damian]

Regardless of whether God exists, or the rights and wrongs of the middle east conflict, there does seem to be one common factor to all these attacks on innocent people going about their business.
Twin towers, Manchester arena, Bataclan theatre, New Orleans Madi Gras, Christmas market attacks, and now Bondi beach.

 

[OzDigger]

Regardless of whether God exists, or the rights and wrongs of the middle east conflict, there does seem to be one common factor to all these attacks on innocent people going about their business.
Twin towers, Manchester arena, Bataclan theatre, New Orleans Madi Gras, Christmas market attacks, and now Bondi beach.

I have to admit it's easy to blame 'Religion' and obviously we can point the finger at 'The Muslims', but all the above attacks were caused by Fanatics, and they seem to be multiplying.

For example, locally we recently had a Brazilian tourist that drove a car into a group of people, killing One woman, all because some teenagers upset him earlier;

Now Australians are asking 'what's next', Zombies

 

[Napoleon1er]

Nice to know who I can trust on here, and good to see that includes all the folks I have met in the flesh.

 

[Horus]

Regardless of whether God exists, or the rights and wrongs of the middle east conflict, there does seem to be one common factor to all these attacks on innocent people going about their business.
Twin towers, Manchester arena, Bataclan theatre, New Orleans Madi Gras, Christmas market attacks, and now Bondi beach.

Muslims always go on about wanting to be martyrs, but they so often go for targets that are defenceless, with little girls, women, people who can offer the least resistance their preferred ones.
In gangs and groups and that by the way is their strength as they always stand by each other in situations, where they come into contact with non muslims as they do in the ever growing muslim prison population, with so many of them being wrong un's.

 

[OzDigger]

Muslims always go on about wanting to be martyrs, but they so often go for targets that are defenceless, with little girls, women, people who can offer the least resistance their preferred ones.
In gangs and groups and that by the way is their strength as they always stand by each other in situations, where they come into contact with non muslims as they do in the ever growing muslim prison population, with so many of them being wrong un's.

Steve, that does bring a sad reality into this discussion, both my sons know me as being the 'devils advocate' as I always try and see things from all sides, but there's no way to condone someone deliberately aiming numerous bullets into a child and similar 'soft' targets.

As for some comments by other forum members, my Grandfather fought the Turks in Gallipoli, Egypt and the Palistine Line of Communications etc in WWI, and my Father was a Bomb Aimer/Navigator in a Pathfinder Lancaster bomber against the Nazis in WW2.

Despite their obvious personal conflicts with those 'enemies', did they continue or instil in their children a hatred against Muslims and Germans after those wars, clearly the answer is NO, as they were both intelligent humans that understood that even 'good people' can be made to do the 'wrong thing'.

 

[Horus]

Steve, that does bring a sad reality into this discussion, both my sons know me as being the 'devils advocate' as I always try and see things from all sides, but there's no way to condone someone deliberately aiming numerous bullets into a child and similar 'soft' targets.

As for some comments by other forum members, my Grandfather fought the Turks in Gallipoli, Egypt and the Palistine Line of Communications etc in WWI, and my Father was a Bomb Aimer/Navigator in a Pathfinder Lancaster bomber against the Nazis in WW2.

Despite their obvious personal conflicts with those 'enemies', did they continue or instil in their children a hatred against Muslims and Germans after those wars, clearly the answer is NO, as they were both intelligent humans that understood that even 'good people' can be made to do the 'wrong thing'.

Matt, I too will often play the devil's advocate and look to see the thinking of the other side, but when you have fifty three countries in the world who all bring their children up to detest Jews and any misfortune that happens to them to be an event to celebrate and the USA is included right at the top of the pile with the rest of Europe right below them, you do have to wonder about their look on life, which they so proudly proclaim a hatred for, unlike Jews and the rest of us, who much prefer life !

Individual muslims may only want for a better life for themselves, but when you have a gathering of them, their ages old hatred soon surfaces and instead of reaping the benefits of living in the west, they act against it and turn it into copies of the holes they come from.

 

[OzDigger]

Matt, I too will often play the devil's advocate and look to see the thinking of the other side, but when you have fifty three countries in the world who all bring their children up to detest Jews and any misfortune that happens to them to be an event to celebrate and the USA is included right at the top of the pile with the rest of Europe right below them, you do have to wonder about their look on life, which they so proudly proclaim a hatred for, unlike Jews and the rest of us, who much prefer life !

Individual muslims may only want for a better life for themselves, but when you have a gathering of them, their ages old hatred soon surfaces and instead of reaping the benefits of living in the west, they act against it and turn it into copies of the holes they come from.

Steve, like most Australians I haven't had much to do with Muslims, as well as Jews, on a personal basis.

I just see the results of 'their issues' played out on our media. And To Be Frank, like most Aussies, I've had a Gut Full lately, I don't care who's right, who's wrong, they can all PI$$OFF back to their own Sad countries, the sooner the better.

 

[Horus]

Steve, like most Australians I haven't had much to do with Muslims, as well as Jews, on a personal basis.

I just see the results of 'their issues' played out on our media. And To Be Frank, like most Aussies, I've had a Gut Full lately, I don't care who's right, who's wrong, they can all PI$$OFF back to their own Sad countries, the sooner the better.

Yes, I totally agree with you about Muslims, they turn up and everyone has to be on best behaviour and bend over backwards to accommodate their demands for minority rights and any negative response is all ways met with wails your racists, of course when they are no longer a minority, then there are no minority rights.
I think we can all think of dozens of examples where Muslims make demands, not to mention all the other issues they cause with their hate marches and it would be best, for the safety of citizens here, if they were repatriated to their homelands and culture that they love so much.

Unfortunately I have had to have some interaction with them through work and that just confirmed my opinions.
On the other hand I have also had the same with Jewish members of the community and have had Jewish friends and until they brought up the subject, it never even occurred that they were, nor did it ever make any difference, because unlike that other lot, are much the same as everyone else to make no difference, Jews are not forever making demands, and while I have confidence in them as being as patriotic as the next man, not so with Muslims, who have proved themselves everytime to not be trustworthy even amongst themselves, with both Pakistan and Iran having deported over 2 million Afghans in the past few months.
Not a word in the msm about that, and yet western countries continue to admit them, even knowing them to be dangerous to our own cultures.

 

[Rutledge]

Jew, Muslim, Christian, or whatever, all the same to most Australians. It doesn't matter how you aquired your delusions, just keep them out of our country.




Try reading some 'correct' history.

How ironic. You’re so fanatical about your beloved atheism you’ve come to label billions of religions people as some sort of plague. Is it over religion that China is now bullying your little island and the rest of the region? No. Perhaps the US, and all its crackpot god believers, is a less desirable military ally than godless China. Best bone up on your Cantonese, we ain’t coming to your rescue. Good luck with that.

You have no response to my points about science as a reason to believe IN a God. Whatever. Just goes to show you’re closed off to anything that challenges the hard wired beliefs you’ve learned to parrot all your life.

 

[waynepoo]

How ironic. You’re so fanatical about your beloved atheism you’ve come to label billions of religions people as some sort of plague. Is it over religion that China is now bullying your little island and the rest of the region? No. Perhaps the US, and all its crackpot god believers, is a less desirable military ally than godless China. Best bone up on your Cantonese, we ain’t coming to your rescue. Good luck with that.

You have no response to my points about science as a reason to believe IN a God. Whatever. Just goes to show you’re closed off to anything that challenges the hard wired beliefs you’ve learned to parrot all your life.

People have a human right to believe what they wish, be it religion or whatever, but no right to impose those believes on others in any way shape or from. Interesting about China, just how many items made in China have you, how many day to day things taken for granted but made in China do you use? Will China attack the west? doubtful, invade Formosa....unknown. What is for sure should China go either way their economy is down the toilet, and money means every thing to them.....ps you have been parroting a few hard wired beliefs of your own that you’ve learned to parrot all your life as well.

 

[OzDigger]

How ironic. You’re so fanatical about your beloved atheism you’ve come to label billions of religions people as some sort of plague. Is it over religion that China is now bullying your little island and the rest of the region? No. Perhaps the US, and all its crackpot god believers, is a less desirable military ally than godless China. Best bone up on your Cantonese, we ain’t coming to your rescue. Good luck with that.

You have no response to my points about science as a reason to believe IN a God. Whatever. Just goes to show you’re closed off to anything that challenges the hard wired beliefs you’ve learned to parrot all your life.

Ha Ha, you're the FANATIC Dude, now you're insulting ALL Australians, good luck with that, that hasn't worked out well with people FAR better than you.

Let's start with some basic geography shall we; Australia is the Smallest Continent in the World, but we're the Largest Island, maybe that's where your Small Brain got confussed

And No, Australia has NEVER relied on America to help us out in ANY conflict, we have, in the past helped you, e.g. Vietnam etc. Okay, America 'helped' Australia during WW2, but that suited their needs, and let's consider the US 'assistance' to the UK and allies during WWI and WW2, it was 'For a Price', that included the 'independance', but usually the transfer of 'ownership' of numerous UK territories in the Pacific Ocean etc, to the USA.

Australia has a tradition of helping our selves whilst assisting others, especially those less capable. For all our sakes, I say again, read some 'real' history FFS, not the BS History that you espouse. For example; the Aussies were the First to win a battle against the Krauts in WW2 (Tobruk) then the Japs in WW2 (Milne Bay), not to mention the Aussies in WWI, Vietnam Etc, Etc. Australia acted out of ALL proportion to our Population, and together with our New Zealand Allies in all of these conflicts, we punched 'Above Our Weight'.

As for your 'Science Debate', particulary where Religious people like you are invloved, it's like arguing with 'Flat Earthers', it's a waste of my valuable Scientific time DUDE

 

[Rutledge]

Ha Ha, you're the FANATIC Dude, now you're insulting ALL Australians, good luck with that, that hasn't worked out well with people FAR better than you.

Let's start with some basic geography shall we; Australia is the Smallest Continent in the World, but we're the Largest Island, maybe that's where your Small Brain got confussed

And No, Australia has NEVER relied on America to help us out in ANY conflict, we have, in the past helped you, e.g. Vietnam etc. Okay, America 'helped' Australia during WW2, but that suited their needs, and let's consider the US 'assistance' to the UK and allies during WWI and WW2, it was 'For a Price', that included the 'independance', but usually the transfer of 'ownership' of numerous UK territories in the Pacific Ocean etc, to the USA.

Australia has a tradition of helping our selves whilst assisting others, especially those less capable. For all our sakes, I say again, read some 'real' history FFS, not the BS History that you espouse. For example; the Aussies were the First to win a battle against the Krauts in WW2 (Tobruk) then the Japs in WW2 (Milne Bay), not to mention the Aussies in WWI, Vietnam Etc, Etc. Australia acted out of ALL proportion to our Population, and together with our New Zealand Allies in all of these conflicts, we punched 'Above Our Weight'.

As for your 'Science Debate', particulary where Religious people like you are invloved, it's like arguing with 'Flat Earthers', it's a waste of my valuable Scientific time DUDE

Oh look, your panties are all in a wad. Does it hurt? I could care less about Australias “vaunted” military history. Not a whit. But do go on.

Glad to know y’all don’t need our help with China. As I said good luck with that.

Look I mean I do recognize, being founded as a penal colony, naturally bestows some insecurity about your inherent worthiness as a people. I’m sure the Chinese, once they assume management over your little big isle, will be as kind as they usually are to conquered folk.

Don’t you worry, I didn’t anticipate any worthwhile or interesting input from you on my “science debate”. It’s readily apparent whether, or not, someone possesses the intellectual firepower/heft/curiosity for such. Feel free to go back to your barbie.

 

[OzDigger]

Oh look, your panties are all in a wad. Does it hurt? I could care less about Australias “vaunted” military history. Not a whit. But do go on.

Glad to know y’all don’t need our help with China. As I said good luck with that.

Look I mean I do recognize, being founded as a penal colony, naturally bestows some insecurity about your inherent worthiness as a people. I’m sure the Chinese, once they assume management over your little big isle, will be as kind as they usually are to conquered folk.

Don’t you worry, I didn’t anticipate any worthwhile or interesting input from you on my “science debate”. It’s readily apparent whether, or not, someone possesses the intellectual firepower/heft/curiosity for such. Feel free to go back to your barbie.

Ha Ha you can't even spell Australia, it's hard to take your BS seriously, no surpise there, Americans (God Bless em, as my Brit friends say), are usually ignorant of anything that's 'Not American'

I say again, and again, read some 'True' history dude, not the American Propaganda that you have Swallowed over your Sad Existence, the British sent Convicts to America many years before they were sent to Australia.

As for the 'China Invasion', or whatever you allude too, tougher people than they have tried and failed, bring it on Biatches

Yes thank you, good advice about the 'Barbie' I will throw another Prawn, not Shrimp upon it, meanwhile do enjoy your 'not so' temperate climes

 

[Rutledge]

Ha Ha you can't even spell Australia, it's hard to take your BS seriously, no surpise there, Americans (God Bless em, as my Brit friends say), are usually ignorant of anything that's 'Not American'

I say again, and again, read some 'True' history dude, not the American Propaganda that you have Swallowed over your Sad Existence, the British sent Convicts to America many years before they were sent to Australia.

As for the 'China Invasion', or whatever you allude too, tougher people than they have tried and failed, bring it on Biatches

Living in the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world, all my life, has definitely been a sad downer, no doubt.

It’s terrible being inundated with abundance everywhere you go. I mean I can’t go the grocery store without having to research which of 53 different mustards I prefer. Oh the horror.

I’m well travelled, both domestically and internationally. Yet somehow I still believe America is, by far, the best country in the world - despite our recent invasion by non-assimilating peoples who only want to take advantage of our immense resources and (misplaced) generosity. The US is far from perfect. But we remain the single greatest hope of mankind. Take your shots, make your dispersions, without the US the world is a steaming pile of .

 

[Horus]

All this bickering, which plays into their hands in furthering their agenda of terrorism to keep people from coming together to keep them out.
Jew, Atheist or whatever we are all vulnerable to their terrorism attacks.

 

[tdubel]

Correct history, that is really offensive. WTF are you talking about? The history of Israel is not that complex, it can be understood very easily. Simply - "Everyone who is Arab or Muslim, hates you, they invade you, they kill innocent people, Israel fights back, is continually on guard, etc." What is so hard to understand about that? Also, I love the theme I am hearing hear about Australians, I would challenge you that maybe all of your countrymen/women DO NOT think like you do? I have plenty of Australian friends who DO NOT in the least think that Muslim terrorists are innocent children.

Why don't you read up on Hamas and Palestine and tell me how many really true innocents there really are? NOT many. The young ones who were part of the attack on October 7th, the ones who dug the tunnels, holed up in their hospitals, chanted Death to Israel every day in the streets of Palestine for the last 50 years, joined the PLO, elected their leadership. Life has one very simple premise - you dig the hole, you lie in it. I believe Palestine has done just that, they have brought it upon themselves.

Until Muslim terrorism is combated and eradicated, these tragic events will continue and it is not now and never will be the Jews fault. You let me know how you feel when they start chanting Death to Australia because you reject the prophet Muhammad.

TD