Corona virus (2 Viewers)

[marco55]

Sorry, he's all yours...……………..:wink2:

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[tdubel]

If there is Chicago Show, cobber :wink2:

I believe we will have Chicago, things will not shut down forever and this too shall pass. Might be a painful 2 months ahead, will be lots of finger pointing and legal maneuvering, and the press will "dutiful report" every minute as long as it furthers their agenda. I hate the press, I hate everything they currently stand for, they have become the story instead of reporting on it and I just find it thoroughly disgusting. And I hate to say this , but a good part of our Country "buys every line as gospel" and that worries me. We used to be a nation of thinkers, sadly no more and this unfortunate virus is exposing that in a big way IMO.

TD

 

[nysoldiers]

I believe we will have Chicago, things will not shut down forever and this too shall pass. Might be a painful 2 months ahead, will be lots of finger pointing and legal maneuvering, and the press will "dutiful report" every minute as long as it furthers their agenda. I hate the press, I hate everything they currently stand for, they have become the story instead of reporting on it and I just find it thoroughly disgusting. And I hate to say this , but a good part of our Country "buys every line as gospel" and that worries me. We used to be a nation of thinkers, sadly no more and this unfortunate virus is exposing that in a big way IMO.

TD

I hope you don't mean to impugn the entire press in this country. True, much of the press/media relies too much on punditry and sensationalism but there are still many competent and honest journalists who protect our lives and freedom. Who else is going to hold our government and big business too task. I guess attacking the press is not political so I have to be careful but look at the corruption and lies coming from our leadership and politicians. Just recently the press reported that at least four Senators sold stock on inside information about the severity of the virus. These are things we would never know without the free press.
The problem is that most of our citizens don't bother to do their own research and listen to both sides. I am set up to receive editorials from 24 different news outlets from the most conservative (e.g. Wall Street Journal,NY Post, Dallas Morning News) to the liberal (NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe). I know going in who leans which way and I can analyze both sides and make an educated opinion. In many cases we can just listen to our politicians during interviews and get a sense of truth and competency.
If you study the history of the press/journalism you will realize what a vital role they have played in saving lives, uncovering corruption and holding our government responsible. Without a free press our Democracy is in danger.
So criticize the individual outlets when they get it wrong but don't lump them all in one category. And give equal criticism to the politicians and big businesses who disrespect our Democracy and values.

 

[jazzeum]

I believe we will have Chicago, things will not shut down forever and this too shall pass. Might be a painful 2 months ahead, will be lots of finger pointing and legal maneuvering, and the press will "dutiful report" every minute as long as it furthers their agenda. I hate the press, I hate everything they currently stand for, they have become the story instead of reporting on it and I just find it thoroughly disgusting. And I hate to say this , but a good part of our Country "buys every line as gospel" and that worries me. We used to be a nation of thinkers, sadly no more and this unfortunate virus is exposing that in a big way IMO.

TD

I don’t think we will. I love the press and all they stand for. They are bringing the story and it’s up to each person to decide what they want to read and hear. We have always had a strong and vigorous press and compared to the press of 150 years ago, today’s version is rather mild.

The Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to bare the secrets of government and inform the people.
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— Hugo Black​

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I have tried to support the president but his latest utterances that we must relax restrictions and return to business is troubling and foolhardy. To drop these restrictions now would increase the death toll and strain our hospitals and necessitate our going back to restrictions that would have to last longer. I’m sure the governors will not follow his pronouncements but his words will only encourage many people to drop their guard.

 

[BobZ]

I have tried to support the president but his latest utterances that we must relax restrictions and return to business is troubling and foolhardy. To drop these restrictions now would increase the death toll and strain our hospitals and necessitate our going back to restrictions that would have to last longer. I’m sure the governors will not follow his pronouncements but his words will only encourage many people to drop their guard.

I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt too, but his press conferences are just gawd-awful. He just rambles on and gets off topic. Did he get his public speaking lessons from Jerry Jones?

 

[jazzeum]

I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt too, but his press conferences are just gawd-awful. He just rambles on and gets off topic. Did he get his public speaking lessons from Jerry Jones?

My family has threatened to quarantine me if I continue to watch his conferences. I wish he’d let Pence and the medical professionals handle them. They were doing a good job.

 

[Combat]

In the days before the 24-hour cable news coverage, the press would report the news and leave it to the public reach conclusions. Now they have time to fill and are ratings driven. So most of the folks on the news channels are media pundits or political hacks with an agenda instead of reporters. They put their spin on every story and attempt to shape public opinion instead of just reporting what has happened. It has become absurd and resulted in polarization. Social media contributes because the most angry and crazy people are the most vocal and can influence opinions out of sheer, compulsion driven anger. And what happens in a social media discussion of controversial issues is not a meeting of minds but a hardening of positions.

 

[marco55]

If anybody thinks the press is totally honest they are very naive.They have agendas,both sides.Is there honest journalists,yes there are but the news networks are totally biased.As far as freeing up people to return to work I agree with that.They have went way over the top with that and are ruining the economy.36,000,000-to 51,000,000 have had the flu within the last 6 months with 34,000 dead.I think that's pretty bad but we go on.
Mark

 

[Warrior]

I believe we will have Chicago, things will not shut down forever and this too shall pass. Might be a painful 2 months ahead...……………………...

TD

Not so sure. That hotel is a bacteria trap to begin with, sitting in those rooms while that stale air just keeps getting circulated around and around is bad enough to begin with. I've been doing that show for about 22 years, also took my Dad out there a number of times as well as my show helper Larry Allen.

Between the 3 of us, we've gotten sick 7 times, I have gotten a nasty respiratory bug two of the last four trips out there, hit me Saturday one year, Sunday the other time.

Not to mention it services O'Hare and a number of flight personnel, who knows what they drag in and out of that hotel from all around the globe.

And yes, the next two months are going to be very painful, when we come out of the other side of this, I really can't imagine the hotel allowing people to wander around from room to room with open doors for four days, then 800 or so people to stampede into the hotel on Sunday and all those people crammed in on top of each other.

The logistics and planning for Chicago are like no other show and a decision is going to have to be made well in advance of the actual show, the organizers may not have a choice and it might be totally up to the state of Illinois as well as the hotel.

The Indy show was supposed to go off either this month or next month, I heard it's being pushed up to June; sorry, I don't see things being fine and swell by June to the point where large gatherings will be allowed, I think you are going to see restrictions on those into the Summer.

Also, keep in mind everyone keeps pointing to the Summer and how the temperatures will burn this thing out...………...yeah, swell, but people are also saying it will probably come back in the Fall.

I can see a scenario where case counts spike again and we go back to restrictions, call them rolling restrictions if you will.

Much like flying after 911, the way we conduct ourselves socially around the globe is going to change forever...……………………………..

 

[zblang]

World expo was just delayed until 2021. That was supposed to be this summer.

 

[ivanmoe]

36,000,000-to 51,000,000 have had the flu within the last 6 months with 34,000 dead.

Mark, There's not a doubt in my mind that you mean well. However, the mortality rate for influenza is a sliver of what it is for COVID-19. Even at 1%, we'll be looking at hundreds of thousands of virus deaths BEFORE next Fall/Winter. If "the curve" can't be flattened, the results will likely be more along the lines of what's gone down in Italy. IMO, no sober adult should lose sight of the scale and complexity of the danger that confronts us.

-Moe

 

[marco55]

I don't see it.34,000 in 6 months 500 + in 3 months?Bottom line is American people do NOT like being told where and when they can go and workers in the stores tell me people are absolutely miserable and cranky.They are not use to a police state.Let a depression come and see how many deaths there are.I'm one of the lucky ones that I still have my job and working.People can't even get through to file for unemployment.
Mark

 

[nysoldiers]

I don't see it.34,000 in 6 months 500 + in 3 months?Bottom line is American people do NOT like being told where and when they can go and workers in the stores tell me people are absolutely miserable and cranky.They are not use to a police state.Let a depression come and see how many deaths there are.I'm one of the lucky ones that I still have my job and working.People can't even get through to file for unemployment.
Mark

If we had the testing capability like South Korea and could weed out those with the virus to stay home then we could let the others go to work, maybe.
It was suggested that anyone who tested positive and recovered and then has the antibodies to deny the recurrence of the virus could go back to work.
So there are ways to get people back to work without much risk but we need the testing capabilities to increase exponentially.

 

[jazzeum]

The president just said he wants to have the country “open for business” by Easter. If he lifts the restrictions it will be a disaster. He still compares this to the flu. It is not. I, for one, will continue to isolate myself as before and I’m hopeful NJ will continue to do so.

 

[marco55]

90% is testing negative.We have tested more in 8 days than South Korea did in 8 weeks.
Mark

 

[Warrior]

The president just said he wants to have the country “open for business” by Easter. If he lifts the restrictions it will be a disaster. He still compares this to the flu. It is not. I, for one, will continue to isolate myself as before and I’m hopeful NJ will continue to do so.

Maybe he meant Easter 2021.

 

[jazzeum]

90% is testing negative.We have tested more in 8 days than South Korea did in 8 weeks.
Mark

It’s relative because of the differences in the size of the populations of each country. SK has performed one test per 150 people. That is 30 times more capita than we have done in the US.

 

[tdubel]

I hope you don't mean to impugn the entire press in this country. True, much of the press/media relies too much on punditry and sensationalism but there are still many competent and honest journalists who protect our lives and freedom. Who else is going to hold our government and big business too task. I guess attacking the press is not political so I have to be careful but look at the corruption and lies coming from our leadership and politicians. Just recently the press reported that at least four Senators sold stock on inside information about the severity of the virus. These are things we would never know without the free press.
The problem is that most of our citizens don't bother to do their own research and listen to both sides. I am set up to receive editorials from 24 different news outlets from the most conservative (e.g. Wall Street Journal,NY Post, Dallas Morning News) to the liberal (NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe). I know going in who leans which way and I can analyze both sides and make an educated opinion. In many cases we can just listen to our politicians during interviews and get a sense of truth and competency.
If you study the history of the press/journalism you will realize what a vital role they have played in saving lives, uncovering corruption and holding our government responsible. Without a free press our Democracy is in danger.
So criticize the individual outlets when they get it wrong but don't lump them all in one category. And give equal criticism to the politicians and big businesses who disrespect our Democracy and values.

Rich,
over the last 12 years, each and seemingly every Press station has had their own agenda, I have a problem with that on both sides, my point is there should not be a side, there are facts, call it on that. The problem is that even the most impeachable Press outlets have engaged in this and for some reason they will not stop. On Tv, it is ratings, on print, it is for survival. Online, it is for clicks and advertising.

I am not talking about not having a free press in anyway b/c when they do get it right, they do, I believe in that. IMO, there is ZERO reason (yes I am shouting not at you, but in general) for them to lean left or right. I always say, call something for what it is regardless of your personal opinion, I do and expect everyone should do the same. For instance, President Trump should not be answering medical questions, the designated experts should. He wants to keep hope and optimism in the equation, I applaud that in general b/c I certainly am all for hope too. BUT on a question that deals with medical reality or expertise, that is not the place to answer in that way. HOWEVER, the situation I just described is not being reported as a matter of fact statement, it is being weaponized by one side or the other and I am sorry, but that is disgraceful and beneath dignity IMO and I will not support that in any way regardless of how I vote or what I think.

TD

 

[marco55]

It’s relative because of the differences in the size of the populations of each country. SK has performed one test per 150 people. That is 30 times more capita than we have done in the US.

It's still more people anyway you want to swing it.It might be just a partial opening for certain areas.Bottom line is you just can't have millions upon millions sitting around for months.You might have a big fat account but most don't.I and a lot of people are starting to wonder if the news we are getting is that accurate.No one I know knows anyone who even knows anyone who even has it.A woman who i work with knows a nurse in Mainland who says they haven't seen anyone with it.We and Salem county has had 1 each.
Mark

 

[jazzeum]

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