COVID the 3rd (1 Viewer)

[jazzeum]

Many studies and real life cases dispute this. I've seen doctors on tv whose parents have been saved by this. It may not work 100 % but nothing does. The French have used it with great success.

Mark

It doesn’t work. That’s a scientific conclusion, not an opinion. France, despite some early studies in Marseilles, banned it.

Next thing, people will be saying injecting bleach into your veins works.

 

[Warrior]

For me I have a lot of confusion on COVID. I don't care about the inconvenient rules, wearing a mask is easy, hand santizer is easy, keeping distant is very easy!.........................................................I can't help but continuing to say this is blind leading blind in this response. As I said many times, I would recommend that individuals make their own decisions within the rules and do what your risk/reward balance makes comfortable because you probably know as much as the experts.

TD

I picked out a couple of points from Tom's post which I think are totally spot on.

There is a lot of confusion; first we were told not to wear a mask and treat it like the flu, ie, it's a surface spread virus, then they found out it's mostly airborne, so wear a mask.

And yes, it is the blind leading the blind.

And no, to me the "rules" are easy; wearing a mask FOR ME ie easy, 10 minutes here, 15 minutes there, the longest I wore one was at my Uncle's funeral, about an hour.

And yes, in the end we are all free to conduct ourselves in whichever way we choose within the rules and decide as individuals what risks we are and are not willing to take.

Some will not go to or have Thanksgiving gatherings, others will.

We all are free to make our own choices.

I've made mine since day one and am 1000% comfortable with the path I've chosen.

To each his own.

 

[mikemiller1955]

One thing is for certain in my mind, if I would get it and have symptoms, I want what they gave President Trump - man is 74 years old and rebounded with the energy of a 25 year old so whatever that treatment is , it seemed to work.

TD

Tom...I don't think my medical plan covers helicopter rides to and from the hospital...

 

[Warrior]

Tom...I don't think my medical plan covers helicopter rides to and from the hospital...

Look into that would you; if it does, I'm in.....................

 

[tdubel]

Look into that would you; if it does, I'm in.....................

No kidding, that would be a rapid response. Like I said, complying with the individual rules is very easy and a no brainer. Wearing a mask is simple, washing your hands is simple and social distance, honestly, I don't mind that part at all, I value my personal space and there have always been some who don't understand that.

And yes the President's treatment may be in a trial but his result seemingly would be a success.

The economic torpedo is yet to come. Right now, you still have consumption holding up and people are betting on the future with investments. All well and good until consumption stops and it eventually will have to slow way down with the loss of a lot of service industry. For example, look at dry cleaners - mine - family business highly successful for the last 75 years........................................closed, both locations. Now the one owner stops by my house and picks up, the problem is with the worldwide slowdown, I will not have dry cleaning again for at least 2-3 months. How does he survive on a client who is 2-3 months or 3-6 times a year? You don't. Another prediction - 1 year from now, how many struggling restaurants are around (i.e. sit down ones and bar ones)? Probably 50% is a generous thought. Long story short, the rough ride is still ahead.

TD

 

[Go for Broke]

For me I have a lot of confusion on COVID. I don't care about the inconvenient rules, wearing a mask is easy, hand santizer is easy, keeping distant is very easy! I do have a problem with the inconsistent information and inconsistent rules. One thing is for sure - and numbers don't lie - the examples of Texas and California are quite telling - different rules, same result.

I do question the number of positives we have in Maryland at the moment and now I just saw locally, there is question about whether the tests are now picking up a common cold strain and mistaking it for COVID. Yet, we just restricted our rules again.................I can't help but continuing to say this is blind leading blind in this response. As I said many times, I would recommend that individuals make their own decisions within the rules and do what your risk/reward balance makes comfortable because you probably know as much as the experts.

One thing is for certain in my mind, if I would get it and have symptoms, I want what they gave President Trump - man is 74 years old and rebounded with the energy of a 25 year old so whatever that treatment is , it seemed to work.

TD

Regarding confusion, If you don't try you're going to fail 100% of the time.
With all the campaigning 1.5-weeks after getting Covid, that guy was definitely on something.
To George: With all due respect, the experts says gaiters aren't effective.
The New Jersey governor said, if you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable....dying is uncomfortable.
On Maui, we get about two cases a day, but our family also canceled Thanksgiving. Maybe for the first time in my life, I may not have turkey. I bought some ribeyes though.

 

[marco55]

It doesn’t work. That’s a scientific conclusion, not an opinion. France, despite some early studies in Marseilles, banned it.

Next thing, people will be saying injecting bleach into your veins works.

Of course they say that. Big Pharma wants there money.

 

[marco55]

I've been reading pros and cons on different treatments and each one is very effective in stating their POV.I think everybody started out trying to do the right thing but now everyone has their own agenda. It's a mess
Mark

 

[Warrior]

To George: With all due respect, the experts says gaiters aren't effective.

When I go once every six weeks to get a haircut, or go to the doctor or the dentist for routine check ups, I wear a N95 mask.

When I go to the grocery store, the post office, am getting gas or walking to and from my vehicle to my condo, I wear the neck gator.......................ie, everyone around me has a mask on, or there is no one around me/within 6 feet of me and it's easy on, easy off.

We are required to wear a mask here in MA, I have yet to go to any store or any indoor environment and not see someone wearing a mask, so it's not like there are people all around me not wearing masks and droplets are flying everywhere.

I keep a mask in my Jeep, I'm not wearing a mask to and from my condo, it stays in the jeep, the neck gator is very handy, I throw out my mask once a week, I usually wear my mask one hour total per week.

I suppose now someone is golng to tell me I need to throw my mask after each time I wear it; sorry, I don't have access to 4,000 masks.

And yeah, I've heard all the reports about how ineffective neck gators are.

Again, I wear different things in different environments.

 

[Warrior]

Another prediction - 1 year from now, how many struggling restaurants are around (i.e. sit down ones and bar ones)? Probably 50% is a generous thought. Long story short, the rough ride is still ahead.

TD

Restaurants, bars, night clubs, movie theaters and gyms are screwed.

Especially restaurants; we've had four close in our area alone since March.

Not sure how many of them will be left whenever we come out of the other side of this.

A real shame.

 

[jazzeum]

Of course they say that. Big Pharma wants there money.

It’s not worth trying to have a conversation with you as you prefer to ignore any evidence to the contrary so I will choose to ignore your utterances.

By the way, it’s spelled “their,” not there.

 

[joesgis]

It doesn’t work. That’s a scientific conclusion, not an opinion. France, despite some early studies in Marseilles, banned it.

Next thing, people will be saying injecting bleach into your veins works.

C'mon man!

Joe

 

[tdubel]

In general the people on this board or their opinions are not the issue or the spread of COVID. I am not sure what is really causing the surge right now and it appears I am not alone in that opinion b/c as has been factually stated, it is happening in many different areas with many different rules with many different size populations.

One thing I do know, I have not gone in anywhere in MD and not seen people with masks, I have only seen 100% compliance. SO, what is causing the spread? It doesn't seem like normal daily activities are the culprit? I also don't think a family dinner is the culprit either when those families have been together since the start of COVID? It is an interesting question to ponder and I still don't believe there is an exact answer, kind of like what causes the flu every year? Why do some get it, some don't? Why do people die from the flu? So while they are very different diseases, there are a lot of similar unknowns.

TD

 

[Warrior]

In general the people on this board or their opinions are not the issue or the spread of COVID. I am not sure what is really causing the surge right now and it appears I am not alone in that opinion b/c as has been factually stated, it is happening in many different areas with many different rules with many different size populations.

One thing I do know, I have not gone in anywhere in MD and not seen people with masks, I have only seen 100% compliance. SO, what is causing the spread? It doesn't seem like normal daily activities are the culprit? I also don't think a family dinner is the culprit either when those families have been together since the start of COVID? It is an interesting question to ponder and I still don't believe there is an exact answer, kind of like what causes the flu every year? Why do some get it, some don't? Why do people die from the flu? So while they are very different diseases, there are a lot of similar unknowns.

TD

Here in MA, the numbers are going through the roof..........2914 yesterday, two weeks strait of plus 2,000 infections.

The largest growing age group; 19-29.......................college kids, young kids are getting together, partying, hanging out, they are the largest number here. The 59-89 demographic is the lowest growing number.

the death rate is way down, as are hospitalizations, which makes sense considering the age group that is growing the fastest.

So here, shutting down dry cleaners, hair salons, locking things down is going to do nothing to stop the spread as that is not where it's coming from.

Our governor has pretty much said so, he's not shutting anything down, just being more strict on mask wearing and setting curfews..................if other states are shutting things down, they should look at the numbers before doing so.

We as a country cannot survive another lock down.

We'll be doomed if that happens.

 

[marco55]

It’s not worth trying to have a conversation with you as you prefer to ignore any evidence to the contrary so I will choose to ignore your utterances.

By the way, it’s spelled “their,” not there.

I know it spelled there. I hit the wrong button. Why is it that only what you hear is right and everybody else is wrong. There are a lot of doctors out there I think know a little more than you that have different opinions than you. Your right I won't respond to your posts any more as I can't stand a know it all.
Mark

 

[Combat]

It doesn’t work. That’s a scientific conclusion, not an opinion. France, despite some early studies in Marseilles, banned it.

Next thing, people will be saying injecting bleach into your veins works.

The masks don't appear to be working as the "scientists" are telling us. How do we know this without any need for reports? In those states like PA, NY and Cal where mask wearing is mandatory (and has been for many months), the numbers are sky rocketing to record levels. Higher than when no one was wearing a mask. It doesn't take much science to conclude that if most people are wearing masks, and the numbers are sky rocketing even beyond the levels when no one was wearing a mask, then mask wearing is not that effective.

The effectiveness of masks was highly politicized. Everyone should wear them but it is a baseless claim that they are effective as a vaccine as the head of the CDC recklessly claimed. The medical community has a group of quasi-governmental "doctors" who are paid millions mostly to pontificate and attend conferences. They do little work. They dropped the ball on this virus. They were unprepared for it, did not send out the warning signals soon enough, and are covering their backsides. They do not want to be held responsible and potentially lose their cushy jobs. So they pushed this mask panacea as a means to persuade the public to side with the political party that will continue to butter their bread and not hold them accountable by cutting their funding. I've said before that everyone should wear a mask. Even if it provides only a little protection that is better than nothing. But these "scientists" are highly politicized in their opinions. Just because they say something doesn't make it true.

 

[bradleyl30]

Regarding confusion, If you don't try you're going to fail 100% of the time.
With all the campaigning 1.5-weeks after getting Covid, that guy was definitely on something.
To George: With all due respect, the experts says gaiters aren't effective.
The New Jersey governor said, if you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable....dying is uncomfortable.
On Maui, we get about two cases a day, but our family also canceled Thanksgiving. Maybe for the first time in my life, I may not have turkey. I bought some ribeyes though.

I believe I know what you are speaking about and there was one study that thought this was the case, but I believe that information was shown to be misleading and erroneous. While not as good as other masks, based on the way George uses it, it can be effective.

 

[Warrior]

I believe I know what you are speaking about and there was one study that thought this was the case, but I believe that information was shown to be misleading and erroneous. While not as good as other masks, based on the way George uses it, it can be effective.

Right; I'm not a front line worker in the ER at the hospital, I'm going to the supermarket and post office for ten minutes around people who are all wearing masks.

Again; when I go somewhere a bit more dicey like the dentist/doctors or sit in a hair salon for half an hour, I wear an N95 mask.

The neck gator is mostly for when I go back and forth from my condo, I've run into several moron neighbors who are not wearing masks in public like they are supposed to........................

 

[tdubel]

Question for the legal scholars on the board:

A. Is it legal for a Governor to restrict a gathering at a private residence if it is within the guidelines of the current mandate (ie under 25 people or under 10 people)? In other words, if there is a 25 person event minimum in your State, can you tell a family of 5 they can't have dinner together if they reside in 2 different households without a quarantine of 14 days ,etc.

Reason I ask is that I was reading certain Governor proclamations regarding Thanksgiving Family Dinner. Some of the wording in Michigan and Washington caught my eye and it didn't seem legal. I am not posting this to argue the sensibility or morality, simply the legality, I am not into telling people what they need to think or do, I simply had this question b/c the news report caught my eye.

TD

 

[bradleyl30]

The masks don't appear to be working as the "scientists" are telling us. How do we know this without any need for reports? In those states like PA, NY and Cal where mask wearing is mandatory (and has been for many months), the numbers are sky rocketing to record levels. Higher than when no one was wearing a mask. It doesn't take much science to conclude that if most people are wearing masks, and the numbers are sky rocketing even beyond the levels when no one was wearing a mask, then mask wearing is not that effective.

The effectiveness of masks was highly politicized. Everyone should wear them but it is a baseless claim that they are effective as a vaccine as the head of the CDC recklessly claimed. The medical community has a group of quasi-governmental "doctors" who are paid millions mostly to pontificate and attend conferences. They do little work. They dropped the ball on this virus. They were unprepared for it, did not send out the warning signals soon enough, and are covering their backsides. They do not want to be held responsible and potentially lose their cushy jobs. So they pushed this mask panacea as a means to persuade the public to side with the political party that will continue to butter their bread and not hold them accountable by cutting their funding. I've said before that everyone should wear a mask. Even if it provides only a little protection that is better than nothing. But these "scientists" are highly politicized in their opinions. Just because they say something doesn't make it true.

This post is really incorrect. My understanding of the data is that in SF and Silicon Valley they continue to keep COVID under control. Where it is spiking in California is in SoCal, and contact tracing is showing it leads back to celebrations "Officials have expressed concerns that COVID-19 is spreading from social gatherings tied to championship victories by the Lakers and Dodgers. There are also concerns about more potential infections with Halloween and Thanksgiving celebrations."

https://www.latimes.com/california/...navirus-spike-in-l-a-county-brings-new-alarms

So, the spikes in CA are from people not following the guidelines.

Also, here is a recent nature article illustrating how we know masks work:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

It is not conclusive, but very strong evidence exists.