COVID the 3rd (1 Viewer)

[Panzer ace]

I’ll preface this by saying I respect everyone’s opinion on the vaccine.

While insulin is not a vaccine per say, it is a widely distributed medicine that assists in the treatment of a wide spread disease.

When I first became a diabetic I was young, I really didn’t have a choice in taking insulin or not.

I got a little older and looked into the medications I was taking. Some of the long term and short term side effects were simply frightening.

I do not want to sound trite but I was left with a choice, continue taking insulin despite the side effects or die.

 

[Horus]

Wow, what a captivating fella..................one thing though; I have a hard time believing anything a guy says who dyes the hair on his dome but not his facial hair.......................just sayin.................

Ok not facial hair George, but over the years I've known some women who's collar and cuffs don't match either !:wink2::tongue:^&grin

 

[Warrior]

Ok not facial hair George, but over the years I've known some women who's collar and cuffs don't match either !:wink2::tongue:^&grin

Or the carpet does not match the drapes as they used to say.....................:wink2:

 

[Warrior]

I’ll preface this by saying I respect everyone’s opinion on the vaccine.

While insulin is not a vaccine per say, it is a widely distributed medicine that assists in the treatment of a wide spread disease.

When I first became a diabetic I was young, I really didn’t have a choice in taking insulin or not.

I got a little older and looked into the medications I was taking. Some of the long term and short term side effects were simply frightening.

I do not want to sound trite but I was left with a choice, continue taking insulin despite the side effects or die.

Well that certainly puts things in perspective.

I'll also preface my comments with I too respect everyones opinion on the vaccine.

At the end of the day, it comes down to choices and ones comfort level.

As a toy soldier dealer who used to actively participate at a number of toy soldier shows, I would not feel comfortable going back to shows unless I got the vaccine, being in a large hotel function room elbow to elbow with other dealers and collectors browsing where it's virtually impossible to social distance, I would not feel comfortable in that environment without getting a vaccine.

Same if I attended a wedding, funeral, sporting event, concert or any other large indoor gathering, or dined in a restaurant.

So unless the plan is to barricade myself into my home or wear a mask for the rest of my life, the only other option for me is to get the vaccine.

Do I have concerns over a vaccine that has been developed and approved 10 months into a pandemic; sure I do, any sane individual would. What are the possible long term side effects; no one can say with certainty what, if any there will be.

So you risk possible long term side effects with getting COVID and either fully recovering, having long term side effects or dying.

Hmmm...................tough choice.

As I've also pointed out, my Mom is 88 and my girlfriend has asthma, so I need to consider the health of
those around me and get the vaccine for them as well as for me.

For those who don't it, if you get the virus, there is a 5% chance you'll give it to me, then I'll give it to my Mom and my girlfriend.

I wonder if down the road, getting the vaccine will be a condition of employment or allow you to fly or even travel around the country.

Time will tell.

 

[Warrior]

lmao!

Speaking of which; for a windbag who's spouting off all the bad ingredients in a vaccine, has he ever read the warnings on a box of hair dye; all those chemicals seeping into his brain through his melon are probably what's causing him to stroke out over what he thinks is in a vaccine.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[jazzeum]

Well that certainly puts things in perspective.

I'll also preface my comments with I too respect everyones opinion on the vaccine.

At the end of the day, it comes down to choices and ones comfort level.

As a toy soldier dealer who used to actively participate at a number of toy soldier shows, I would not feel comfortable going back to shows unless I got the vaccine, being in a large hotel function room elbow to elbow with other dealers and collectors browsing where it's virtually impossible to social distance, I would not feel comfortable in that environment without getting a vaccine.

Same if I attended a wedding, funeral, sporting event, concert or any other large indoor gathering, or dined in a restaurant.

So unless the plan is to barricade myself into my home or wear a mask for the rest of my life, the only other option for me is to get the vaccine.

Do I have concerns over a vaccine that has been developed and approved 10 months into a pandemic; sure I do, any sane individual would. What are the possible long term side effects; no one can say with certainty what, if any there will be.

So you risk possible long term side effects with getting COVID and either fully recovering, having long term side effects or dying.

Hmmm...................tough choice.

As I've also pointed out, my Mom is 88 and my girlfriend has asthma, so I need to consider the health of
those around me and get the vaccine for them as well as for me.

For those who don't it, if you get the virus, there is a 5% chance you'll give it to me, then I'll give it to my Mom and my girlfriend.

I wonder if down the road, getting the vaccine will be a condition of employment or allow you to fly or even travel around the country.

Time will tell.

I posted a story last week that employers are looking closely at making employees take the vaccine as a condition of employment, subject, of course, to applicable law.

 

[marco55]

Speaking of which; for a windbag who's spouting off all the bad ingredients in a vaccine, has he ever read the warnings on a box of hair dye; all those chemicals seeping into his brain through his melon are probably what's causing him to stroke out over what he thinks is in a vaccine.

Pot, meet kettle.

^&grin^&grin^&grin^&grin
Mark

 

[OzDigger]

As I said, I don't understand why some of the forum members are anti vaccine, especially when you consider that so many people are actually dying and others will need to wait longer for the vaccine(s) to be distributed.

However I don't think we need to denigrate people for what they think, or others they may follow such as Ret Lt Col Ricardo Bosi. I know some of you guys are saying these things in jest, and humour doesn't hurt....usually. However some of what the man says rings true with me, Australia (Government etc) and most Western countries do seem to be selling out to foreign powers and minority groups.

 

[OzDigger]

I would post some of his other videos if the forum was more tolerant of politics, but that's not the case as we know. Speaking of politics, has anyone heard from John from Texas lately?

 

[Warrior]

I know some of you guys are saying these things in jest, and humour doesn't hurt...

What I'm saying is totally in jest and for humor purposes.............at this stage of the game with Massachusetts hovering at more than 5,000 positives a day for over two weeks strait, humor is literally all I have left...............................SEVENTY thousand positives since Thanksgiving.

 

[OzDigger]

What I'm saying is totally in jest and for humor purposes.............at this stage of the game with Massachusetts hovering at more than 5,000 positives a day for over two weeks strait, humor is literally all I have left...............................SEVENTY thousand positives since Thanksgiving.

Yes I know you were kidding, thanks George, these are difficult times, more difficult for some than others.

And now for something completely different.

 

[damian]

I cannot shake the feeling that we are all being scared by panic mongers with vested interests.

People die every day form all sorts of diseases

But somehow COVID is public enemy number one

We have destroyed the economy of the world to save a few people with major co-morbidities from dying

I just hope at the end of the day it will be worth the cost

The fist person in the UK to get the vaccine is a 90 year old

By what calculation do we get value for money for that

All sounds a bit poorly thought through to me

 

[marco55]

From what I heard (if it's true) that only 1 in 7 infected has been found.So they think that around 118 million actually have it {eek3}.If that's the case the death rate is actually lower than the flu which really doesn't help as almost 300,00 have died in the US alone.
Mark

 

[damian]

From what I heard (if it's true) that only 1 in 7 infected has been found.So they think that around 118 million actually have it {eek3}.If that's the case the death rate is actually lower than the flu which really doesn't help as almost 300,00 have died in the US alone.
Mark

That is exactly the dilemma.

The question remains have we over reacted based on the media frenzy around this disease.

The price we are paying is a heavy one

Is it worth it

Time will tell

 

[OzDigger]

The concern is warranted. This virus (Sars-Cov-2) is related to the earlier Sars virus (Sars-Cov-1) that is more lethal. The earlier virus killed appropriately 10% of those infected, however as I posted earlier the older you are the higher the chance either virus will kill you. For example If you contracted the earlier Sars virus and you were over 60, which many forum members are, you had around 50% chance of dying from it. So basically a coin toss if you died or not if 60 or older, like me.

Granted the newer virus is less lethal, however it is far more infectious, more so than Influenza. Meaning it has the capacity to infect more people and therefore kill more people than the Flu, especially those over say 65 to 70 years old. The other thing is that viruses mutate very quickly, so this year may be bad, but next year could be worse, depends how things develop. So there's that!

 

[damian]

Well destroying the world economy to save some octogenarians from dying is quite a price to pay.

We will have to see if it was warranted or worth it over the next decade or so of economic depression

 

[OzDigger]

Exaggerations and falsehoods aren't necessary. The world economy isn't destroyed. Octogenarians are 80 year olds, thousands of people younger than 80 have died from this virus.

 

[damian]

People die every day from lots of things

What makes COVId such a biggie ?

We divert resources away form other illnesses to treat COVID

The world has made its choice.

Mostly driven by a panic mongering media.

You take your own choice

Either exaggerate the disease or exaggerate the economic fall out

 

[jazzeum]

I’m surprised at your attitude, especially you being a doctor. Then again, people who belong to this Forum don’t really know the people who post here, with a few exceptions. Good to know you feel about other people.

 

[damian]

I’m surprised at your attitude, especially you being a doctor. Then again, people who belong to this Forum don’t really know the people who post here, with a few exceptions. Good to know you feel about other people.

My attitude is a pragmatic one

Yes we have a pandemic

Yes it is a problem

Yes there are high risk groups

We treat all diseases the same way

We identify and protect high risk groups.

We then direct our efforts st those groups

In this case the elderly and those with comorbidities

We do not close down the whole world

Millions of surgeries have been cancelled or delayed because of COVID.

This also causes morbidity and even mortality

Other chronic diseases have ben ignored to focus on COVID

Lots of resources have been diverted from other important diseases to treat a disease with a relatively low mortality rate

Health care resources are not infinite

If we divert some to this problem we take away resources from other worthwhile causes.

In addition destroying livelihoods directly impacts on health outcomes all around the globe

We have an example here of health policy being driven by media both social media and main stream media.

That is not good.

These resource allocation decisions are part and parcel of health policy

You cannot simply be driven by the media