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OzDigger said:
I dont know this Fauci guy but I wouldn't want his job or those in similar positions in other countries. Imagine having to make difficult decisions that would cost lives. Who would want to have to authorise the release of vaccines that haven't yet been proven, or maybe initially saying that masks weren't so good to ensure there were enough supplies for medical staff. Perhaps I'm reading too much into these decisions and being over generous but we still dont know what these people know.

And they don't actually know, they're just guessing in many cases, even their expert advisors still don't know much about this virus. It's hard to believe now but we've been lucky with this virus in that although it's highly infectious it's not as lethal as the earlier SARS virus that killed about 60% of those infected.

Imagine the impact of a highly contagious virus that killed more than half of those infected. It's the airborne infection route that makes the big difference in both instances in that viruses spread faster via droplets in the air and they are more lethal if they affect the respiratory system.
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This is a well written and informative portrait of Dr. Fauci that was written back in the early days of the pandemic

How Anthony Fauci Became America’s Doctor

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/20/how-anthony-fauci-became-americas-doctor
 
Go for Broke said:
I'm a big fan of Elijah Craig. At my Costco they have it for $25.99. It's such a good price I had my wife buy 4-bottles and I want to buy more. Do you guys notice that the same bottle of Bourbon can taste different dependent your mood? Some days its just delicious, other days so-so.
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From time to time I have noticed what you have described about taste. However, I find that after two or three glasses it no longer seems to be an issue. ^&grin

Mike
 
The folks in the UK will begin to receive the vaccine this week. Congrats. Hope it all goes well.
 
Call this shortsighted or inexplicable or what you will. The government signed an agreement with Pfizer this year for 100 million doses or 50 million people. Pfizer offered to sell more does to the US but inexplicably the government passed. Pfizer then proceeded to sign agreements with other countries and has no more capacity at the plants making the vaccine until June. Of course, now the government is scrambling. Pfizer said it can’t provide more doses until a new agreement has been signed, which is standard. No further comment is needed, other than the obligatory head shake.
 
jazzeum said:
Call this shortsighted or inexplicable or what you will. The government signed an agreement with Pfizer this year for 100 million doses or 50 million people. Pfizer offered to sell more does to the US but inexplicably the government passed. Pfizer then proceeded to sign agreements with other countries and has no more capacity at the plants making the vaccine until June. Of course, now the government is scrambling. Pfizer said it can’t provide more doses until a new agreement has been signed, which is standard. No further comment is needed, other than the obligatory head shake.
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Moderna has 85-100 millions of doses ready for the US but it is not relevant until they approve the vaccine for distribution. The delay is equivalent to criminal negligence. Over 15k people in the US died last week. Presumably another 15K will die this week and every week for the foreseeable future. The media only reports on the masks and completely ignores the vaccine delay.
 
Documents published by the FDA today shows that the Pfizer vaccine provided strong protection against the virus within 10 days of inoculation. The efficacy of the first dose is 52% and rises to 95% after the second dose. The vaccine worked well regardless of age, weight or race. There were no serious adverse effects caused by the vaccine but some recipients did have aches, fatigue, muscle pain and fevers.

The FDA’s advisory panel will discuss these findings on Thursday and then presumably vote on approving the vaccine.

Conceivably, people could begin to be inoculated on Friday.

Pfizer’s Vaccine Offers Strong Protection After First Dose

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
 
jazzeum said:
Documents published by the FDA today shows that the Pfizer vaccine provided strong protection against the virus within 10 days of inoculation. The efficacy of the first dose is 52% and rises to 95% after the second dose. The vaccine worked well regardless of age, weight or race. There were no serious adverse effects caused by the vaccine but some recipients did have aches, fatigue, muscle pain and fevers.

The FDA’s advisory panel will discuss these findings on Thursday and then presumably vote on approving the vaccine.

Conceivably, people could begin to be inoculated on Friday.

Pfizer’s Vaccine Offers Strong Protection After First Dose

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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I have heard from some doctors and nurses that there is reservation about vaccinating women of child bearing age or pregnant. There are no long term studies
on the possible effects to the offspring of inoculated or pregnant women.
What have you heard about this?
 
Child bearing age, I’d be all in.

Pregnant - I wouldn’t go near it and just be ultra careful until birth
 
You may want to avoid the Pfizer vaccine, at least for now, until more is known, if you have severe allergies. Britain’s medicine regulator has advised that people with a history of significant allergies to not get the Pfizer vaccine after two people reported adverse reactions on the first day of rollout. Two national health service workers reported anaphylactoid reactions associated with receiving the vaccine. They were among the thousands who receive the shot on Tuesday. Both are now recovering well, according to the NHS.

See https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...ine-after-two-adverse-reactions-idUSKBN28J1D1
 
jazzeum said:
You may want to avoid the Pfizer vaccine, at least for now, until more is known, if you have severe allergies. Britain’s medicine regulator has advised that people with a history of significant allergies to not get the Pfizer vaccine after two people reported adverse reactions on the first day of rollout. Two national health service workers reported anaphylactoid reactions associated with receiving the vaccine. They were among the thousands who receive the shot on Tuesday. Both are now recovering well, according to the NHS.

See https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...ine-after-two-adverse-reactions-idUSKBN28J1D1
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Really, who would have thought......

They were 2x UK Medic's who had 'significant' allergies apparently? Which if anyone knows means they could have died without immediate medical attention.

Of course if anyone does die or end up damaged/injured in anyway as a result of taking any of these new vaccines you'll have no chance of taking court action against the pharmaceutical company involved. Instead you'll have to take on the US Govenment who under writes these companies from such action and its a long and costly process.

As I've said before go with caution and remember 98.8% of all those who catch covid recover quickly and without long term after effects.
 
Some allergic reactions were expected, for example they already know that people with egg related allergies sometimes react to current vaccines. I haven't yet seen any reliable reports concerning the level of the reaction in the two people, a bit early to speculate imo. As for the percentage of people that recover from Covid. That would of course depend upon the person's age and immune system. Obviously a higher percentage of a younger cohort will recover compared to older people.
 
The UK regulators are now investigating the two cases, a process the expert said would involve looking at whether the reactions stemmed from the vaccine itself or were incidental. The regulators said they will release updated information once they do.

Allergic reactions to vaccines are rather rare. Anaphylactic reactions, the most serious of these responses, are estimated to occur around once every 100,000 to 1 million doses of the most commonly given vaccines, according to Johns Hopkins University Johns Hopkins University.
 
marco55 said:
23 million ahead of me in US,615,000 in NJ and 8,700 in Cumberland County.
Mark
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I guess this means there are about 151,000 in my county,8,265,000 in NJ and 307 million in the US that are healther than me.I guess I'm not too healthy.{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}
Mark
 
I once again want to thank Brad for sharing his knowledge of the pharmaceutical processes that go into the approval etc. of vaccines and medications.

His thoughts and information have provided me with many facts and insights that I fear simply go underreported and/or ignored by many.
 
There were over 3,000 deaths in the US yesterday. Nearing 300K total deaths. Hopefully the bureaucrats get around to approving the vaccine. Wouldn't want them to rush it.
 
Combat said:
There were over 3,000 deaths in the US yesterday. Nearing 300K total deaths. Hopefully the bureaucrats get around to approving the vaccine. Wouldn't want them to rush it.
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'Gold standard' apparently :wink2::wink2::wink2:
 
The AEs (Adverse Reactions) that took place in the UK are the reason why the FDA is deliberate. At any rate, the FDA committee is meeting right now and hopefully the Pfizer vaccine will be approved today. Since the Moderna vaccine is similar that should be approved soon.

However, there are issues with the AstraZeneca one and don’t look for any quick approval. See

Blunders Eroded US Confidence in Early Front Runner

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/business/covid-vaccine-oxford-astrazeneca.html
 
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