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uksubs said:
Find this interesting " Jackson became aware of the charges in 2007":eek:
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Rick said "These events actually occurred some years ago and have been in the process of restitution for some time now." himself in his post on the first page.
 
Wendy said:
Rick said "These events actually occurred some years ago and have been in the process of restitution for some time now." himself in his post on the first page.
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What difference does it make :confused: if he done it this year or last year he still stole money from a customer & more than once it does not make it any better & can't see why you try to make him the victim :confused:
 
sad news

I purchased several times and well the price and communication

I want to keep your business open for many years

Francisco
 
Totally agree with uksubs here and said so elsewhere with the article Martin has posted. I would like a aston martin vantage but, I am not going to shove a gun in some bank clerks face nor, would I dip into someone else's account in order to get it. Only one victim here and thats the guy who had his money taken.

I think the sentence for the amount bandied around is ludicrous. Theft is theft and there is no excuse. Go bust, and start again and work harder. tough things happen to lots of people and they don't resort to theft.

Seems as he is in the toy soldier business a great amount of latitude is being offered
Mitch
 
Actually anyone who uses an American Express card is a victim. Amex will absorb the charge, and pass the expense on to their card holders and merchants that except the card. The customer is not responsible.
 
damian said:
No one is suggesting no punishment. It is a serious crime. We are just a bit saddened.
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Well put. I do think it is a bit cruel to put him in prison after it seems they were attempting to resolve it out of courts. Of course he deserves some kind of consequence, but since he has payed half of it back, intends to pay the rest, has admitted his fault, will suffer from the coverage, etc..., maybe we should go a bit lighter. After all, if a seller scammed you, but then came clean, arranged a plan to pay it back, and admitted it to the public, at damage to himself, don't you think it would be a bit harsh to then send him to jail for a year and a half? Again, while I have sympathy for him, I don't think there is a single excuse, and I think he should have some kind of consequence, just, perhaps community service and paying it back plus interest. But jail is jail, and I would not wish it on people who did not hurt others in a physical or major emotional way. This is coming from someone with $300 tied up in some Ebay disputes, so yeah...
 
Do you not think the amount taken can be deemed to cause a major emotional effect??

I have to say he deserves a properly lengthy sentence as this is not just theft in a normal case. I wonder how many on here defending his actions would feel had it been their hard earned money. If he has paid half back its not a pat on the back he should not have to be paying it back and, I, for one, would take a break in that repayment schedule in order for him to experience jail time.

Not one iota of sympathy its pure and simple a complete and utter breach of trust and, if I were the presiding judge he would look like something from ZZtop before he saw freash air again.
Mitch

Napoleon1er said:
Well put. I do think it is a bit cruel to put him in prison after it seems they were attempting to resolve it out of courts. Of course he deserves some kind of consequence, but since he has payed half of it back, intends to pay the rest, has admitted his fault, will suffer from the coverage, etc..., maybe we should go a bit lighter. After all, if a seller scammed you, but then came clean, arranged a plan to pay it back, and admitted it to the public, at damage to himself, don't you think it would be a bit harsh to then send him to jail for a year and a half? Again, while I have sympathy for him, I don't think there is a single excuse, and I think he should have some kind of consequence, just, perhaps community service and paying it back plus interest. But jail is jail, and I would not wish it on people who did not hurt others in a physical or major emotional way. This is coming from someone with $300 tied up in some Ebay disputes, so yeah...
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Mitch said:
Do you not think the amount taken can be deemed to cause a major emotional effect??

I have to say he deserves a properly lengthy sentence as this is not just theft in a normal case. I wonder how many on here defending his actions would feel had it been their hard earned money. If he has paid half back its not a pat on the back he should not have to be paying it back and, I, for one, would take a break in that repayment schedule in order for him to experience jail time.

Not one iota of sympathy its pure and simple a complete and utter breach of trust and, if I were the presiding judge he would look like something from ZZtop before he saw freash air again.
Mitch
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Point well taken, but if they wanted to prosecute him, they should have done it way long ago. It is kind of strange that they did it AFTER he owned up to it and payed a lot back. Also, jail is not the only form of punishment. Let him do a bunch of community service with people who are very poor. That will show him something about money and greed. Not being in a cell with some pervert and armed robber.
 
I suppose that is something the prosecuting authorities will have to acknowledge and possibly explain. I would think the points you raise may have some benefit in certain cases though, I am a little sceptical as to whether or not working with poor etc would have the desired effect you hope for. I also think that when we see people who steal alcohol, cigarettes and food going to jail for these actions that to do anything other than give a substantial custodial sentence to this chap, encourages others to think that should you feel it necessary to do such actions under your own moral reasoning then its acceptable in society, as you will unlikely recieve the harshest of punishments, IMO the loss of your liberty.

I fully undertsand where others who advocate lesser sentences are coming from but, I would point out that all theft is not similar all have at their heart ''dishonsety'' but, and the law in this country at least, acknowledges this that where the theft is by a person in a position of trust i.e. a policeman, carer etc it will be veiwed as worse in terms of sentence.

Now, the amount is substantial and I could understand (though would still no less condemn) if the amount was say $5000 which would have saved the business but, it was not. The mental element in this type of dishonesty is all important and thats why I take the stance I have.

I would venture that were we talking about some guy unknown to us who had stolen this amount of money and possibly was facing a sentence of max 18 months which was reported in an article posted elsewhere many would be screaming about an imbalanced justice system.
Mitch


Napoleon1er said:
Point well taken, but if they wanted to prosecute him, they should have done it way long ago. It is kind of strange that they did it AFTER he owned up to it and payed a lot back. Also, jail is not the only form of punishment. Let him do a bunch of community service with people who are very poor. That will show him something about money and greed. Not being in a cell with some pervert and armed robber.
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Napoleon1er said:
Point well taken, but if they wanted to prosecute him, they should have done it way long ago. It is kind of strange that they did it AFTER he owned up to it and payed a lot back. Also, jail is not the only form of punishment. Let him do a bunch of community service with people who are very poor. That will show him something about money and greed. Not being in a cell with some pervert and armed robber.
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Not knowing the details of the case but being in law enforcement for 40 years I would suspect he did not suddenly have a change of heart and decided to make restitution for his wrong deeds on his own. I would think that when the knock on the door and a couple of law enforcement officers appeared that,s when he had the epiphany and said he was sorry and could he make restitution. It isn,t like it was a one time incident. It took a number of transactions and a period of time to ring a bill of $189000.
I,m not saying lethal injection for this crime, but it isn,t like he shoplifted a candy bar!
Gary
 
According to MCL "Fraudulently withdrawing or transferring funds from a credit card" carries a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 10yrs or a fine of not more than $15,000 or 3 times the amount of funds withdrawn or transferred, whichever is greater.
I'm suspecting Rick had this deal placed infront of him and he bit becuase 12-18 months and paying back what was actually taken is much better then the alternative. Now some people say community service. Are you kidding me community service for a felony.

What on earth has this world come to. The crime is done. He had choices just like anyone else. Unfortunately he chose the wrong route. I'm just glad the people that are suggesting alternatives to prison aren't writing criminal law. What the heck are we suppose do, make a case by case exception here? So if a guy robs a bank and lets say he gets a $1000 out of it and his only motivation was to buy diapers for his kids then what? Better yet what if he didn't have a gun and only passed a note stating that he did. Should he be locked up as well or should we just tell him he should have commited credit card fraud where he could have gotten away with alot more money and wouldnt have to spend any time in prison.
 
with all this back and forth, where does one draw the line? right? that was a profound betrayal. i mean, what went through his mind??? if he's already paid half of it back then did he really need to do it in the first place? was it ONTC related?

there's a lot we don't know.
 
Wow! I am saddened to learn of this situation. One more casualty of The Great Recession and there are so many others. My own personal dealings with Michigan Toy Soldier Company have always been excellent. I have nothing but praise and thanks for everyone at that company. I hope this matter is eventually resolved in the best possible way for everyone involved.
 
bearybones said:
Wow! I am saddened to learn of this situation. One more casualty of The Great Recession and there are so many others. My own personal dealings with Michigan Toy Soldier Company have always been excellent. I have nothing but praise and thanks for everyone at that company. I hope this matter is eventually resolved in the best possible way for everyone involved.
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http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2011/01/27/news/doc4d41b1265ee1a495150028.txt?viewmode=2

This article states he had a similar charge on his record dating back to 1993.
 
I think Berry's best bet right now would be to try to sell the business and pay off the debt because I don't see many buying from that store as long as he owns it.Just tried to go on website and it says cannot find server.
Mark
 
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