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[IONA]

guys!!!

the way i see it...........ignoring the fact of what Andy said......as pointed out he is oneof only a few who communicates and listens to his customers. Also during production and when Andy spoke maybe there was not any talesitters, Mike from K&C UK saw a sample in HK last year and it was not tale sitting. so during production did somthing happen!! i dont have that asnwer

the fact is........some are and some are not tale sitting.
the box comes with a support (stand in style of mechanics hobby stand)

the choices are:-

buy it set it in a airfields dio with the crew on it (as i beleive intended)
dont buy it and move on
bought it dont like it GET A FULL REFUND from where bought from
bought it dont like it ask for a swop witha non tale sitter

Rob at the time of getting our order we had a large number wehad not come across any tale sitters...........when we spoke and i had opened a good 20!! so not fibbing there. however yes since we have found the odd one..........odd one

Mitch i emailed you direct and told you what you needed to know

Scott send it back mate and get it swopped........we have stock to look at even if you got it from another UK dealer............we supply all the ligit ones!!

however here is an interesting fact

K&CUK have sent out 29 of these and we have not had 1 complaint back that is a complaint direct to myself or mike or any other of our team...........we cannot help you if we dont get told.

why spend all that money and then NOT like something!! speak to your dealer

i referto my other post as well Chinease new year so no one is going to speak from K&C for a few days!! any way

your statoury rights are not effected by having a tale sitter!!

Tony Neville

Tony
Honestly it doesnt bother me it a crackering model thanks anyway
When i first opened it and it fell back i was a bit upsetting
Iknow i would have got it changed anyway
Scott

 

[jazzeum]

guys!!!

the way i see it...........ignoring the fact of what Andy said......as pointed out he is oneof only a few who communicates and listens to his customers. Also during production and when Andy spoke maybe there was not any talesitters, Mike from K&C UK saw a sample in HK last year and it was not tale sitting. so during production did somthing happen!! i dont have that asnwer

the fact is........some are and some are not tale sitting.
the box comes with a support (stand in style of mechanics hobby stand)

the choices are:-

buy it set it in a airfields dio with the crew on it (as i beleive intended)
dont buy it and move on
bought it dont like it GET A FULL REFUND from where bought from
bought it dont like it ask for a swop witha non tale sitter

Rob at the time of getting our order we had a large number wehad not come across any tale sitters...........when we spoke and i had opened a good 20!! so not fibbing there. however yes since we have found the odd one..........odd one

Mitch i emailed you direct and told you what you needed to know

Scott send it back mate and get it swopped........we have stock to look at even if you got it from another UK dealer............we supply all the ligit ones!!

however here is an interesting fact

K&CUK have sent out 29 of these and we have not had 1 complaint back that is a complaint direct to myself or mike or any other of our team...........we cannot help you if we dont get told.

why spend all that money and then NOT like something!! speak to your dealer

i referto my other post as well Chinease new year so no one is going to speak from K&C for a few days!! any way

your statoury rights are not effected by having a tale sitter!!

Tony Neville

I'm sure I will be accused of being anti-K & C (somehow the attitude is if you're not with us you're against us)(even though 95 percent of my collection is K & C) but Tony's statement is the kind that should be made but I think this should come from the company.

I know in the past that if someone came on and complained about a product defect (not just nit picking) Andy would say something like sorry you weren't happy and you can return it to your dealer for a refund.

For example, I received a recall notice from my car company for a minor problem, asking me to bring in to my local dealer, with apologies for the trouble and inconvenience. I think that's all people who have been affected are looking for here.
As far as criticism, I think it's rather light, particularly compared to what it's been in the past. I think most people are quite happy with what they purchase. However, when you are the market leader, that comes with the territory. There is nothing ever wrong with constructive criticism, especially when it comes from those who care and want K & C to be even better.

 

[Vezzolf]

Does every one agree who has one of these that it is the best warbird to date ^&grin
EVEN THE ONES WHO HAVE TAIL SITTERS :wink2:
What other camos did these come in
Scott

Not the best to date IMO...The 109 was a better product with better paint scheme IMO (very nice)....Also the green paint on the Me262 is too dark...and does not appear as the photos presented.....That being said the major flaw is the tail sitting problem.....To "include the ladder" it is obvious that K/C was aware of the problem.....To exspect collectors to "accept this flaw"....Is ridiculous....At $239 this should not be an issue. These planes are NOT CHEAP

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

I don't know if its becoming more argumentative etc I think people are possibly more willing to voice their opinions and bring negative issues to light than before and that in turn means people will then naturally, defend their choosen brand.

Thing is forums evolve as opinions and such like change I have never seen a forum where everything is rosy in the garden all the time and if there is one then it would seem rather unatural IMO.

I have said that its rather unatural to expect all to be brilliant all the time and, don't think that its anti K&C from the time I have been on its been very much more pro K&C than negative from what I recall reading. The amount of praise for the many releases far outweighs the negative and they still are the number one producer in the hobby I think thats not really debatable.

I have said that there have been a few issues over the last few months which, seem to have dominated the thread rather than discussing the releases and quality of sets (everyone knows them so no need to say them)

I really don't see a witch hunt for K&C yes its a bit different the reaction to other manufacturers but, that IMO shows where K&C is in the hobby and the way collectors are changing. I just don't take all of this seriously I am sure Andy will post again in the near future.

I see critique of other manufacturers products on the forum and even today people are picking out accuracy points on new releases of two manufacturers and talking of price points on one so, it does seem everyone gets it.

I did also say that much of the recent stuff could have been stopped dead in its tracks had Andy come on and said this is how it is. I know you thought asking for this was somehow wrong summoning Andy to the forum but, IMO a lot of very trivial issues have been left to fester
Mitch

Have to disagree on two points there. First there are people who believe there is an open campaign of moaning and nit picking aimed at K&C , this is not tittle tattle but fact as a member of this forum left just the other day because of it.

Secondly I don't think it is dramatic at all to say we have lost Andy's ear on the forum, answering pm's is not participating in a public forum , which Andy has done for many years answering questions and suggestions and now has ceased, there is a growing concern that this part of the forum is growing more and more aggressive and argumentative, again not tittle tattle but from long standing and ex members.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Rob...

I don't know if its becoming more argumentative etc I think people are possibly more willing to voice their opinions and bring negative issues to light than before and that in turn means people will then naturally, defend their choosen brand.

Thing is forums evolve as opinions and such like change I have never seen a forum where everything is rosy in the garden all the time and if there is one then it would seem rather unatural IMO.

I have said that its rather unatural to expect all to be brilliant all the time and, don't think that its anti K&C from the time I have been on its been very much more pro K&C than negative from what I recall reading. The amount of praise for the many releases far outweighs the negative and they still are the number one producer in the hobby I think thats not really debatable.

I have said that there have been a few issues over the last few months which, seem to have dominated the thread rather than discussing the releases and quality of sets (everyone knows them so no need to say them)

I really don't see a witch hunt for K&C yes its a bit different the reaction to other manufacturers but, that IMO shows where K&C is in the hobby and the way collectors are changing. I just don't take all of this seriously I am sure Andy will post again in the near future.

I see critique of other manufacturers products on the forum and even today people are picking out accuracy points on new releases of two manufacturers and talking of price points on one so, it does seem everyone gets it.

I did also say that much of the recent stuff could have been stopped dead in its tracks had Andy come on and said this is how it is. I know you thought asking for this was somehow wrong summoning Andy to the forum but, IMO a lot of very trivial issues have been left to fester
Mitch

Hey Mitch,

To answer your last point first, perhaps I didn't word it very well, there is nothing at all wrong in asking Andy to answer a query, its just I felt it was done in a slightly high handed way in that it appeared he was being called to some sort of court, the only reason I say this is because it is still quite rare for the MD of such a popular company to interact with customers in the way Andy has over the last few years. One or two others on here do it but as I say still pretty rare, but now its gone Mitch, a direct line we had for all to to view is no longer working. For those of us who enjoyed the interaction thats a great shame.

My biggest gripe is this Mitch. I believe its perfectly acceptable to come on here and give a negative review of a product or complain if the person is disastisfied with what they've been sent. As they will say they have every right to do it. BUT that same freedom of speech is not extended to anyone who may want to come on here and celebrate the the product they like.

Time and time again myself and many others who have started such threads have had them ruined by the small but vocal group of folk who have their own issues. They just join in because they've got nothing better to do than peck peck away at someone elses thread just because they can. As I say its peoples right to complain, but we are not allowed to do the opposite. I cannot tell you the times I've really wanted to post the old Anglo Saxon phrase for go away and leave us in peace, but respect for Shannon and the forums rules prevents me.

I hope the genuine, open minded forum members, my friends and those without an agenda will understand. Respect breeds respect.

Rob

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

You have been on longer than I have but, I am a little unsure that there are little groups deliberately trying to get at K&C or trying to wreck posts that celebrate K&C. If you take all the threads in an average week I would venture more than 80% at least would be positive

My thoughts on free speech and saying what you want are stated and, as you said to me recently in a very similar position hit the alert button and contact the mods. I think recently though its all been product releated issues which have been raised rather than having a pop for pops sake. Don't you think??
Mitch

Hey Mitch,

To answer your last point first, perhaps I didn't word it very well, there is nothing at all wrong in asking Andy to answer a query, its just I felt it was done in a slightly high handed way in that it appeared he was being called to some sort of court, the only reason I say this is because it is still quite rare for the MD of such a popular company to interact with customers in the way Andy has over the last few years. One or two others on here do it but as I say still pretty rare, but now its gone Mitch, a direct line we had for all to to view is no longer working. For those of us who enjoyed the interaction thats a great shame.

My biggest gripe is this Mitch. I believe its perfectly acceptable to come on here and give a negative review of a product or complain if the person is disastisfied with what they've been sent. As they will say they have every right to do it. BUT that same freedom of speech is not extended to anyone who may want to come on here and celebrate the the product they like.

Time and time again myself and many others who have started such threads have had them ruined by the small but vocal group of folk who have their own issues. They just join in because they've got nothing better to do than peck peck away at someone elses thread just because they can. As I say its peoples right to complain, but we are not allowed to do the opposite. I cannot tell you the times I've really wanted to post the old Anglo Saxon phrase for go away and leave us in peace, but respect for Shannon and the forums rules prevents me.

I hope the genuine, open minded forum members, my friends and those without an agenda will understand. Respect breeds respect.

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

I think a lot of that did happen in the past but I think the recurring issues that we see now -- prices, historical accuracy, debating who is best, scale and LAH -- have been discussed before and probably will be discussed again.

When this Board got started there was a lot of jockeying between K & C adherents and Britains adherents or matte v. glossy adherents; I'm almost embarassed at some of the post I made at the time pooh poohing glossy :redface2:

Part of it may have been due to K & C still being the relatively new boy on the block (even though, by then, the company was 20 years old) and attracting new collectors who maybe never collected before (like me) and were going in directions different than the old standard toy soldier of yesteryear.

Now the jockeying seems to be, at times, between K & C fans and First Legion fans.

Same issues, different days.

I don't think it's any more anti K & C before or since and I don't think people deliberately try to hijack threads. I think the K & C adherents are genuinely interested in the company being the best it can be. That's my position anyway.

If it's come across that I have done that (hijacking) then the full membership has my apologies :redface2:, which is why I won't post any significant comments any more about LAH.

People should celebrate and enjoy what they like to collect

 

[Rob]

Mitch,

Oh yes I fully agree with you about recent comments, if people have complaints that's fine. But believe me Mitch there are some who have issues beyond a tilting ME 262 and don't mind bringing them onto someone elses thread. Definitley hit the alert button.

Now whilst I understand if people have product issues they want to complain about, I don't get the uproar about the suppliers cut off from K&C, surely if you break a trust or agreement then you pay the price, that guy in Michigan is discovering the same thing is he not?

Rob

 

[Rob]

Brad, my remarks were in no way at all Anyhoo anyhow aimed at you. I don't think I've ever seen you hijack a thread.

Maybe I'm over emphasising it, but I just want those who have legit concerns and the flag-wavers to have the same respect and the same enjoyment.

Just for the record, I don't feel one iota of animosity to anyone who collects FL in anyway at all. I like to think I have good relations with some of their well known flag wavers on this forum, I also have big FL fans as friends off the forum.:salute::

Rob

I think a lot of that did happen in the past but I think the recurring issues that we see now -- prices, historical accuracy, debating who is best, scale and LAH -- have been discussed before and probably will be discussed again.

When this Board got started there was a lot of jockeying between K & C adherents and Britains adherents or matte v. glossy adherents; I'm almost embarassed at some of the post I made at the time pooh poohing glossy :redface2:

Part of it may have been due to K & C still being the relatively new boy on the block (even though, by then, the company was 20 years old) and attracting new collectors who maybe never collected before (like me) and were going in directions different than the old standard toy soldier of yesteryear.

Now the jockeying seems to be, at times, between K & C fans and First Legion fans.

Same issues, different days.

I don't think it's any more anti K & C before or since and I don't think people deliberately try to hijack threads. I think the K & C adherents are genuinely interested in the company being the best it can be. That's my position anyway.

If it's come across that I have done that (hijacking) then the full membership has my apologies :redface2:, which is why I won't post any significant comments any more about LAH.

People should celebrate and enjoy what they like to collect

 

[Mitch]

Jazzeum...

I have made my comments about the LAH parade figures clear as have those including yourself about your dislike and, I can fully accept that. My points of contention were the link with some of the pics that you put up and some of the comments from others who then slated them but have substantial SS stuff in their collections. My main point is that they are toy soldiers

Now, I do not want apologies and anyone saying they will not comment on a issue as that then makes the whole point of the forum rather pointless. I hope the next Berlin range you do comment and, offer the alternative opinion.
Mitch

 

[jazzeum]

I appreciate that gents but I probably did hijack that SA thread, which wasn't right, notwithstanding my views on the topic.

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

I think you will find that I was berated for saying the dealers axed deserved it as the rules were in place and they knew the consequences. I know one US poster had a right go when I said the collectors who had been getting discounts should have at least had the sense to keep their mouths shut than brag about it on an open forum.

But, its a greed thing similar to the recent issues elsewhere we have both posted on. Every company gets hit I won't mention them cause I will have a PM box full of people crying I have found fault with their manufacturer you take it on the chin.

I can see why Jazzeum wanted Andy to address the issues as it then as Mike's post on pricing recently could have been locked down afterwards and done and dusted and lets move on.

The only issue I would have liked seen don edifferently was the announcement of prices. If your going to do something like this I think Polar Bear reading it in the TF newsletter and then posting it was a recipe for a debate we saw. I still recall the second post ''K&C just shot themselves in the foot'' Now, that was being naughty by the poster but, it was right in its true sense.

The rest is just nonsense and I am sure everyone really wants to discuss the asthetics of the stuff thats just been released and, what their doing with it
Mitch

Mitch,

Oh yes I fully agree with you about recent comments, if people have complaints that's fine. But believe me Mitch there are some who have issues beyond a tilting ME 262 and don't mind bringing them onto someone elses thread. Definitley hit the alert button.

Now whilst I understand if people have product issues they want to complain about, I don't get the uproar about the suppliers cut off from K&C, surely if you break a trust or agreement then you pay the price, that guy in Michigan is discovering the same thing is he not?

Rob

 

[Rob]

It's all about different perceptions of different people really. I too had friends write to me and put the opposite opinion to mine and I appreciated it , it's what being able to communicate is all about.

Back to the 262, love the look of it but am keeping my cash warm for the Typhoon:wink2:^&cool

Rob

 

[uksubs]

It's all about different perceptions of different people really. I too had friends write to me and put the opposite opinion to mine and I appreciated it , it's what being able to communicate is all about.

Back to the 262, love the look of it but am keeping my cash warm for the Typhoon:wink2:^&cool

Rob

When do you think were see the Hawker Rob ?, Would be nice to see some photos of the Me 262 with the ground crew

 

[Rob]

When do you think were see the Hawker Rob ?, Would be nice to see some photos of the Me 262 with the ground crew

Hey Neil, I think the Typhoon may be towards the end of the summer, but K&C may surprise us earlier.

Rob

 

[IXEC]

Rob...

You have been on longer than I have but, I am a little unsure that there are little groups deliberately trying to get at K&C or trying to wreck posts that celebrate K&C. If you take all the threads in an average week I would venture more than 80% at least would be positive

My thoughts on free speech and saying what you want are stated and, as you said to me recently in a very similar position hit the alert button and contact the mods. I think recently though its all been product releated issues which have been raised rather than having a pop for pops sake. Don't you think??
Mitch

Mitch, good post..I completely agree....

 

[GJB22]

I went to pick up a 262 from my dealer today, but unfortunately he only had one and it was a tipper. It didn't even wobble, the tail just slammed to the ground if you let it. Holding it, I could feel a lot of weight right behind the cock pit, explaining the imbalance. However, it is a beautiful model, and my dealer is going to call me when more come in. Hopefully some non tippers come in as this is an excellent piece.

 

[uksubs]

Got mine today and was very happy till I saw this

First K&C Item in a long time & thought they would check them before sending them out ,I'm in contact with the shop

 

[Mitch]

Wow!!! when you said a fingerprint I did not expect this. Don't try to remedy it as discussed send it back ASAP
Mitch

 

[uksubs]

Wow!!! when you said a fingerprint I did not expect this. Don't try to remedy it as discussed send it back ASAP
Mitch

There black paint on the wing & engine as well