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Frankly, he got off easy. What he did was worse than Suh did. Harrison could have seriously maimed McCoy; the brain is a funny thing. With retired players, we are now seeing the results of repeated blows to the head. Suh could have broken the player's arm but an arm will repair, a head not so easily. I would have given Harrison at least two games.

His coach said "We’re disappointed, we’re disappointed for James because we know, quite frankly, how hard he’s worked to play within the rules. He’s worked extremely hard to adjust his game. Unfortunately, the incident did happen, it was a penalty, we have to be accountable for that. He has to be accountable for that." According to the league, he could face substantial suspensions if something like this happens again.

Apparently, he has said that he isn't going to change the way he plays. I'm sure if this occurs again this year he will be in for a long vacation.
 
Frankly, he got off easy. What he did was worse than Suh did. Harrison could have seriously maimed McCoy; the brain is a funny thing. With retired players, we are now seeing the results of repeated blows to the head. Suh could have broken the player's arm but an arm will repair, a head not so easily. I would have given Harrison at least two games.

His coach said "We’re disappointed, we’re disappointed for James because we know, quite frankly, how hard he’s worked to play within the rules. He’s worked extremely hard to adjust his game. Unfortunately, the incident did happen, it was a penalty, we have to be accountable for that. He has to be accountable for that." According to the league, he could face substantial suspensions if something like this happens again.

Apparently, he has said that he isn't going to change the way he plays. I'm sure if this occurs again this year he will be in for a long vacation.

Brad,

I can't believe you would even equate a football play with what Suh did. That was outright a character flaw and an incident of rage that has absolutely no place in any sport.

As far as concussions, unfortunately, any hit can cause that. Look at offensive lineman, they end up punch drunk like boxers, that has nothing to do with tackling or shots.

Look, I am pissed b/c this is one of our best lineman and a crucial time of our season. I guarantee if this was your Jets, you would not be happy at all. But all of that aside, how can you equate Suh with anyone else in the league, that guy is an outright thug and quite frankly after his actions, I would have thrown him out for the rest of the year with the threat of a lifetime ban should he do anything like it again.

Tom
 
Tom,

If this was a Jet and he did that, then I would feel no differently and it shouldn't be about team but a person's life. I think that is the difference perspective we have.

I don't see Suh as a thug but as a person, like many, who need to control their emotions. He appears to be a rather well spoken individual.

Mike Francesa of WFAN brought this quote up today when Pete Roselle fined George Atkinson in the 70s for his hit on Lynn Swann and I think it still holds true today:

"Our sport obviously involves intense physical contact, but it requires of all players discipline and control and remaining within the rules. Every player deserves protection from the kind of unnecessary roughness that could end his career."
 
Tom,

If this was a Jet and he did that, then I would feel no differently and it shouldn't be about team but a person's life. I think that is the difference perspective we have.

I don't see Suh as a thug but as a person, like many, who need to control their emotions. He appears to be a rather well spoken individual.

Mike Francesa of WFAN brought this quote up today when Pete Roselle fined George Atkinson in the 70s for his hit on Lynn Swann and I think it still holds true today:

"Our sport obviously involves intense physical contact, but it requires of all players discipline and control and remaining within the rules. Every player deserves protection from the kind of unnecessary roughness that could end his career."

Brad,
I am not saying it didn't deserve a fine, but I think only James Harrison would be suspended for it. And the reasoning that he has done it so many times in the past doesn't hold water when 2 of them were reduced and one I believe was completely done away with. Also, I still can't take the fact that the NFL made even more money off of the one as it was photo of the week. That is really where I am coming from.

As for protecting players, I don't disagree and am all for that, but again, it's football and there is some level of risk and injuries will occur.

Suh, I just can't take, this is not his first complete unsportsmanlike issue. He is on a lot of levels a success story, but the complete and continued lack of emotional control is a huge issue. He is more dangerous on a lot of levels. What happens if he loses control, swings his helmet and hits a coach in the back of the head or an official?

Again, I don't condone any "dirty" hits, but if they are going to go crazy on this, apply it across the board with like punishment. Goodell needs to go.


TD
 
Before Tebow, There Was.....

I don't how many of you remember and probably many of you are too young :wink2: but before there was Tim Tebow, there was

George Blanda!

See this story in today's New York Times, Before Tebow, There was Blanda
 
Before Tebow, There Was.....

I don't how many of you remember and probably many of you are too young :wink2: but before there was Tim Tebow, there was

George Blanda!

See this story in today's New York Times, Before Tebow, There was Blanda
I remember George. Before becoming the world's oldest place kicker/back-up Qb with Oakland, he used to rain footballs as th Oiler QB. Wasn't shy about putting the ball up, as he threw loads on TD's and Ints. He was entertaing. -- Al
 
Another proud moment for the NFL as Chicago Bears receiver Sam Hurd is arrested on Federal drugs charges. Apparently he has been dealing drugs in large amounts for quite some time. Went the whole nine yards and drew the attention of a year long Federal drug probe which resulted in his arrest on Wednesday. Cocaine and Mary Jane, to the tune of 5-10 kilos of coke and 1000 lbs of weed, per week. Doesn't sound much like personal recreational amounts, does it? What a loser. Another one bites the dust. All that money playing football just wasn't enough. What's wrong with someone like that? -- Al
 
The line is NE -6.5 points. I would take take Denver with the points, especially since the Pats have barely held on the last couple of weeks.
 
Denver's success has all been because the Denver defense has kept the games close until the offense can muster a few points in the last minutes. I don't have much confidence that the Broncos can hold the Pats close enough to be in an endgame position for Tebow to work his magic. I think the Pats will put the game away early, ie., put too many points on the board for Denver to make up in their usual last minute way. -- Al
 
Denver's success has all been because the Denver defense has kept the games close until the offense can muster a few points in the last minutes. I don't have much confidence that the Broncos can hold the Pats close enough to be in an endgame position for Tebow to work his magic. I think the Pats will put the game away early, ie., put too many points on the board for Denver to make up in their usual last minute way. -- Al

I'm with Al. Brady had probably his worst game in the last few years against the Redskins, and they still won. I doubt Brady has been deaf to all the talk of Tebow being the second coming, and I'm sure he is aware that Tebow has a ridiculous amount of fan votes for the pro bowl. I expect Brady to come out like a house on fire, and zing balls to Gronkowski (the second coming of Mark Bavaro) and Wes Welker.

The strength of the Patriots defense is its front seven, and it does a decent job against the run. With Bill Bellicek's schemes, I expect the Patriots to stuff the run, option and otherwise, and put pressure on Tebow to throw the ball deep. I don't see Tebow or his receivers as good enough to consistently make the big play deep.

I expect the Patriots to open a three score lead by the 4th quarter, and prevent "Tebow time" from even coming. The one complete team (solid offense, good defense) that the Broncos have played since Tebow took over, the Lions, destroyed the Broncos. The Dolphins stink, the Jets have a poor offense and an over rated defense, the Bears have no offense to speak of absent Cutler and Forte, and even then if that bone-head Marion Barber doesn't tun out of bounds they win that game, the Raiders and Chargers are weak AFC West teams that are getting beat up by even mediocre teams. In my eyes, Tebow failed to beat the one true quality team he has faced, and I expect the Patriots to make him 0-2 against quality teams.
 
Tomorrow is a classic trap game for the Giants. If the Giants don't look past the Redskins, they should easily beat them. The Giants offense is playing complete football for the first time this season. The injuries to the offensive line have finally uncovered the correct combination (they have a young guard who never got the opportunity to start until the center, Baas, went out with neck and head injuries, and the shuffling of the line has given the Giants the push they lacked all year). The return of Ahmad Bradshaw and the reinvigorized Brandon Jacobs (who realizes he is playing for his spot in the league) have finally given the Giants a run game. Eli Manning is playing quarterback as well as anyone in the league not named Aaron Rogers or Drew Breeze, and he has as good a compliment of wide receivers in Nicks, Cruz and Manningham as anyone.

The Giants defense, however, consists of Jason Pierre-Paul, and pretty much nothing else. Osi has been hurt most of the season, Tuck has been a shadow of himself all season playing through the neck injury he sustained in the Jets pre-season game, and until Bolle came back from injuries against the Cowboys last week, they had no linebackers to speak of. The Giants secondary, decimated by injuries to all 4 starters, has been as poor a pass defense as I have ever seen the Giants field.

This week, however, the Redskins inconsistent offense should stop itself enough times for Eli and the Giants offense to pull away, assuming the Giants don't beat themselves with stupid turnovers and inexplicable drops on key third down passes. Eli throws at least one tailor made pick-six ball off his back foot on an out pattern in an obvious passing situation each game. Gilbride has to take the out pattern off the table in third and 5+ situations, where the other team will be bringing pressure. As good as Victor Cruz has been he drops at least one key third down ball each game. Ballard, who makes all the tough catches, also drops a lot of balls when he is wide open. The Giants cannot run screen plays when Brandon Jacobs is the tail back, he flat out drops the ball every time. If the Giants are in a second and ten situation, they predictably call a running play, which 99 times out of 100 goes for 2 yards or less, leaving them in a 3rd and long. They cannot run the ball in second or 10 and longer situations, period.

If the Giants don't look past the Redskins to the Jets and Cowboys, Gilbride can avoid calling the wrong plays, and the Giants don't make any mental mistakes, they should win this game by 2 scores. If they turn the ball over or stop themselves with poor play calls and/or dropped passes, they could easily lose the game or be asking Eli to manufacture another 4th quarter comeback.

I think the Cowboys will beat Tampa Bay Saturday night and the Giants will beat the Redskins during the early game on Sunday, thereby helping the Jets by numerically eliminating the Eagles before the late game kick-off. The Eagles, whose talent on paper should destroy the Jets, might mail it in once they are finally eliminated, a very deflating moment for "the dream team". Jets fans better pray this happens, because otherwise they are going to get manhandled by the Eagles. The Jets cannot handle a lot of team speed, and the Eagles have tons of team speed. The Jets also have a lot of trouble matching up with pass-catching tight ends, and Brent Celek in one of the best. The Jets can't get any pass rush without blitzing, and if you blitz and play man, Michael Vick will run the ball for huge gains while your secondary has its back turned in man coverage. The Jets can't run the ball, and the Eagles strength is pass defense (they have 3 top notch cover corners). If the Eagles come to play, the Jets are right back on the outside looking in at the playoffs.
 
Denver's success has all been because the Denver defense has kept the games close until the offense can muster a few points in the last minutes. I don't have much confidence that the Broncos can hold the Pats close enough to be in an endgame position for Tebow to work his magic. I think the Pats will put the game away early, ie., put too many points on the board for Denver to make up in their usual last minute way. -- Al

Al,
I am with you, but the Pats defense has been like swiss cheese. THat said, the Tebow train can't put up points like the Pats. I am ready for the train to come into station, I think the Pats win going away.

TD
 
Time to pick in the game where they play for pay.

Picked the Broncos game last night. Take Broncos with the points, not for the win mind you.

Giants are 2.5 point favorite. I really don't like the Giants in this game, just a queasy feeling. Skins have generally played well in last two games. Take the Skins.

49ers vs Dubel-ites, better known as the Steelers ^&grin, who are a 2.5 point underdog. I think the bloom is off the rose in SF and Steelers might be mad because of the Harrison suspension. I like Steelers big in this game. Take the Steelers with the points.

Jets Eagles. This one is hard. If Cowboys and Giants win, the little birdies are done. If not, they have a remote, very remote chance to win the division. Jets have never beaten the Eagles. On the other hand, the Eagles are bad against the run so Jets will run, run, which is what they want to do. Very nervous about this game. In the end, this is a pick em. Could go either way. If Eagles are still alive in the race at game time, go with the Eagles, if not, the Jets.
 
I really, really hope all of you are right about the Patriots/Broncos game Sunday, I'm not so sure.

Denver has been a house of horrors for the Patriots, the only time they've won there with Brady as the QB was in 2004 on their way to another Super Bowl title and it took a fluke play to win it.

This whole Tebow thing has gotten beyond annoying; yeah, ok, great story, swell guy, blah, blah, blah, but enough is enough already.

I have zero confidence in the Patriots defense to contain this guy, ie, the look for a reciever, no one is open, so he runs, the Patriots do not have the speed on defense to chase this guy around all game long.

I see the Broncos fans whipped into a frenzy, a key turnover at the wrong time, or worse yet a game winning drive by Tebow to win it.

I penciled this game in as a loss at the start of the season and I still see it that way..............
 
49ers vs Dubel-ites, better known as the Steelers ^&grin, who are a 2.5 point underdog. I think the bloom is off the rose in SF and Steelers might be mad because of the Harrison suspension. I like Steelers big in this game. Take the Steelers with the points.

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Brad,
Hope you are right, I don't feel so good on it, seems like too many mountains are in our way right now. Also, spent the day with the Burgh side of the family and word around there is that if Bmore and Pats and Texans all win on Sunday, Ben will sit out and Batch will play most of the game. Who knows, reporters like to keep a story going, but nothing would surprise me on this stuff!

Also think your Jets will pour it on tomorrow as its crucial time for playoffs!

George,
being too hard on your team. Not that everything you describe couldn't happen, but I see Brady rising to the occasion this time of year.

TD
 
. The one complete team (solid offense, good defense) that the Broncos have played since Tebow took over, the Lions, destroyed the Broncos. The Dolphins stink, the Jets have a poor offense and an over rated defense, the Bears have no offense to speak of absent Cutler and Forte, and even then if that bone-head Marion Barber doesn't tun out of bounds they win that game, the Raiders and Chargers are weak AFC West teams that are getting beat up by even mediocre teams. In my eyes, Tebow failed to beat the one true quality team he has faced, and I expect the Patriots to make him 0-2 against quality teams.

You failed to mention the ineptitude of the Vikings in that Tebowtime run. Just another defeat pulled from the jaws of victory for this pathetic team. We get the Saints today...it'll be over in the first quarter. Good thing I have meetings all day and will miss it!
 
You guys aren't the only ones running down Tebow but you know what I like the guy. He doesn't make many mistakes and he is not one of those pansy QBs who will slide: he takes the defenses on and will give as good as he gets. He is one tough dude. No, he is far from perfect as a QB but I think he will get better. When he was drafted, all the so called experts said he would never make it. Just to prove them wrong must is neat.

I see many criticizing him because of his religion but I will take that any day over all the police blotter athletes we have these days, the latest being Sam Hurd, or the types like T.O. or that moron receiver on the Eagles who has no idea of sportmanship. He's what a person should be.

Oh, and I like him because he's supremely confident in his abilities and doesn't brag about it.

I hope he proves the critics wrong and this is not because I have anything against the Patriots (even though I'm a Jets fan). I just want to see Tebow succeed.
 
You guys aren't the only ones running down Tebow but you know what I like the guy. He doesn't make many mistakes and he is not one of those pansy QBs who will slide: he takes the defenses on and will give as good as he gets. He is one tough dude. No, he is far from perfect as a QB but I think he will get better. When he was drafted, all the so called experts said he would never make it. Just to prove them wrong must is neat.

I see many criticizing him because of his religion but I will take that any day over all the police blotter athletes we have these days, the latest being Sam Hurd, or the types like T.O. or that moron receiver on the Eagles who has no idea of sportmanship. He's what a person should be.

Oh, and I like him because he's supremely confident in his abilities and doesn't brag about it.

I hope he proves the critics wrong and this is not because I have anything against the Patriots (even though I'm a Jets fan). I just want to see Tebow succeed.

Brad,

I happen to think Tim Tebow is a terrific person, and a great leader. I watched tape of him on the sidelines during last week's game after a receiver dropped what would have been a touchdown pass, and he is telling the guy, don't worry, you are going to catch the winning touchdown. The same receiver caught the late fourth quarter touchdown pass that started the comeback. I like the guy, and wish him luck.

He is not, however, a great quarterback, and I am laughing at the "experts" who are all jumping on his bandwagon because he has had a nice run against (1) weak teams which (2) have not seen Tebow's option offense since the players were in college, and are not schemed to defend it. Remember when Miami unleashed the "wildcat" offense on the Patriots a few years ago? The Patriots, who had not seen it before, and had not schemed to defend it, got knocked around. A few weeks later, the same Patriots defense totally shut down the wildcat and beat up Miami, because the second time through they had watched Miami on film and developed schemes to shut the gimmick down. In my eyes, Tebow's success is a similar gimmick. Such a gimmick offense works no more than once against each team, and a quality defense can overcome it the first time. If Denver starts Tebow next year, and he has not dramatically changed his style of play, I would be shocked if they beat a single quality team. Additionally, more than half of the credit for "Tebow Time" has to go to Fox's defense, which has kept other teams within 1-2 scores, and forced 3 and outs during the late 4th Quarter comebacks. Last time I checked, Tebow hasn't made any tackles.
 
Louis,

No, he's not a great QB but he's getting better each week. Bellichek said that the Tebow of four weeks ago is not the same Tebow of today.

You are making the same mistake that everybody else: looking it analytically. You can't do that with this team. It's not pretty but they win. That's the only stat that counts in my book: Ws, and they have them. The guy was a winner in college: he won two titles!

He just wins. The odds say they lose today but who knows. I was just in the gym and that's all the football shows are talking about: TEBOW! Unbelievable.
 

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