N.f.l. 2012 (3 Viewers)

[jazzeum]

There is a big difference between the Lions and Skins. The Lions have a quarterback and an up and coming team. The Redskins have no quarterback.

As far as the Colts, they've been demoralized not having Manning from the get go. He will be back next year and they could be the winners in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. Just imagine that: Manning teaching Luck the ropes so Luck can take over after his apprenticeship. They just have to hope the Dolphins or Rams win a game or two.

 

[Warrior]

There is a big difference between the Lions and Skins. The Lions have a quarterback and an up and coming team. The Redskins have no quarterback.

As far as the Colts, they've been demoralized not having Manning from the get go. He will be back next year and they could be the winners in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. Just imagine that: Manning teaching Luck the ropes so Luck can take over after his apprenticeship. They just have to hope the Dolphins or Rams win a game or two.

The Colts pretty much knew all along Manning would not be playing at least to start the season, shame on them for not having any sort of a back up plan and to blame this brutal start on one player is a losers mentality.

And after Brady got knocked out of the first game of the year in 2008 in the first offensive series by that cheap shot thrown by Pollard, the Patriots went on to an 11-5 season, being the first team to finish with 11 wins and not make the playoffs.

BB can coach; the Colts would be better off with a cigar store indian than the guy they've got as a coach, he is clueless..................

 

[Warrior]

Maybe in your eyes it was classless although if you'd listened to the interview, you would have seen there was a certain amount of jocularity to it. However, was anything he said about Norv untrue? The guy's a terrible head coach.

Nothing was given away today: Jets were a better team, that's all there's to it. They led in every offensive category and the defense found a way to finally stop their slide.

BTW, your friend Fireman Ed says hello

It was totally classless, I listened to it and there was no "jocularity" to it, so much so he called Turner immediately to say he was sorry, get a clue.

You must have watched a different game than I did yesterday as the Jets were booed off the field at halftime, the Chargers were up 21-17 driving for at least a field goal before a deflected pass got picked off and returned to the 20, then "Sanchise" threw a pass to my favorite convicted fellon for a TD, the Jets took the lead, then scored a field goal off of another INT on the next drive, game over.

And Fireman Ed is a complete fraud and a total wingnut............

 

[jazzeum]

You must have watched a different game than I did yesterday as the Jets were booed off the field at halftime, the Chargers were up 21-17 driving for at least a field goal before a deflected pass got picked off and returned to the 20, then "Sanchise" threw a pass to my favorite convicted fellon for a TD, the Jets took the lead, then scored a field goal off of another INT on the next drive, game over.

And Fireman Ed is a complete fraud and a total wingnut............

Well, I was there so yeah, we did watch a different game. At halftime, the crowd was restless because in all respects except the score, the Jets were the better team. The Jets defense finally stopped them in the second half and the offense took over and scored the points. It was also pretty darn noisy as we were doing the best to make it hard for Rivers (whether it worked or not is not for me to say). And whether you like Plax or not, in the red zone he had his way when it mattered.

Basically, all the pieces worked together yesterday, for the first time.

Fireman Ed said "give my best to George." No kidding :wink2:

 

[Warrior]

Well, I was there so yeah, we did watch a different game. At halftime, the crowd was restless because in all respects except the score, the Jets were the better team. The Jets defense finally stopped them in the second half and the offense took over and scored the points. It was also pretty darn noisy as we were doing the best to make it hard for Rivers (whether it worked or not is not for me to say). And whether you like Plax or not, in the red zone he had his way when it mattered.

Basically, all the pieces worked together yesterday, for the first time.

Fireman Ed said "give my best to George." No kidding :wink2:

The 2:00pm to 6:00pm sports talk radio guys up here are fawning all over the Jets, already babbling about how the game in two weeks will decide the division title and they are both already handing the division to the Jets, claiming Fatso is a brilliant coach, whatever he does he has that team on a different level, THEY are now the team to beat in the AFC (gee, I guess neither of them saw the massacre at the hands of the Ravens a few weeks ago), Sanchez now has a weapon for the red zone he's never had before, on and on they are going, I can hear radios clicking off in Massachusetts as I write this.

No wonder why everyone up here hates these two bozos; well at least they've stopped talking about the Red Sox...........

 

[jazzeum]

You can't control what the radio guys say as it's all about ratings anyway. The little saga with Revis and Francesa proves it. They're still talking about that for crying out loud.

The Jets had one good game (or half) where all parts seems to work together. That's a far cry from playoffs or anything else. Rex does seem to know his team and when he makes his utterances they seem to work, for some odd reason. It could just be coincidence. The injury to Mangold did hurt them against the Raiders and Ravens. Of course, everyone has injuries so that's really no excuse. All that being said, as badly as they played against the Ravens, when they were down 27-17, had they scored even a FG, instead of Sanchez throwing the int, they probably win the game, and had they had a defensive stop against Brady, they probably win that one as well. But they didn't, so here we are, hanging on for dear life.

If the Skins can beat the Bills on Sunday and they beat the Bills the following Sunday, it probably does make the game after that against NE interesting. However, at this point, don't worry about playoffs, like Jim Mora said, and just concentrate on playing well. Those things take care of themselves, one way or the other.

 

[Warrior]

You can't control what the radio guys say as it's all about ratings anyway. The little saga with Revis and Francesa proves it. They're still talking about that for crying out loud.

The Jets had one good game (or half) where all parts seems to work together. That's a far cry from playoffs or anything else. Rex does seem to know his team and when he makes his utterances they seem to work, for some odd reason. It could just be coincidence. The injury to Mangold did hurt them against the Raiders and Ravens. Of course, everyone has injuries so that's really no excuse. All that being said, as badly as they played against the Ravens, when they were down 27-17, had they scored even a FG, instead of Sanchez throwing the int, they probably win the game, and had they had a defensive stop against Brady, they probably win that one as well. But they didn't, so here we are, hanging on for dear life.

If the Skins can beat the Bills on Sunday and they beat the Bills the following Sunday, it probably does make the game after that against NE interesting. However, at this point, don't worry about playoffs, like Jim Mora said, and just concentrate on playing well. Those things take care of themselves, one way or the other.

You are correct, it is all about ratings, as one caller said "You guys are priceless, are your ratings that bad that you're purposing trying to piss people off so they will call your rinky dink show"........to which one of the hosts replied "Hey it worked on you didn't it".........the guy walked right into that one.

 

[sammy719]

If my Ravens play like this for the rest of the year, let's just call it a day and move on to next yearSammy

 

[lancer]

If my Ravens play like this for the rest of the year, let's just call it a day and move on to next yearSammy

The Ravens looked pitiful. Th poster boy for inconsistency, Joe Flacco, had his evil twin show up again. I agree, Sammy. If Baltimore can't play a good game for more than 2 or 3 minutes, they may as wll pack it in. The defense is as good as ever, but that offense.... -- Al

 

[jazzeum]

Both teams offensively looked bad. I don't they both converted a third down until the second half. I haven't seen too many Ravens games this year other than the Jets debacle but Flacco was worse yesterday than a few weeks ago, if that's possible. I mentioned a few weeks ago that I thought Flacco, Sanchez and Ryan had taken a step backwards this year. Sanchez and Ryan seemed to have improved somewhat but Flacco seems to continue his downward spiral.

Wonder if the Ravens will be in the market next year for a new QB.

 

[Currahee Chris]

Wonder if the Ravens will be in the market next year for a new QB.

Seems like people here are laying it more at the Offensive coordinators door rather than Flacco's. If I am a Ravens fan, I wouldn't sweat this one. Plenty of time to make corrections. I still think they are as good as anyone and they are my lock for the AFC rep in the SB- provided they stay healthy {sm4}

 

[lancer]

Seems like people here are laying it more at the Offensive coordinators door rather than Flacco's. If I am a Ravens fan, I wouldn't sweat this one. Plenty of time to make corrections. I still think they are as good as anyone and they are my lock for the AFC rep in the SB- provided they stay healthy {sm4}

Chris, you have more faith than I do. I guess I just need to remember that defense wins championships, as in the run to victory in SB XXXV. Still, Flacco is a roller coaster. He may get the Ravens to the big game, but it is going to be a wild ride that might derail.:rolleyes2: -- Al

 

[jazzeum]

Sorry, but with Flacco at the helm I don't see it. Maybe you can blame it on the Offensive Coordinator -- isn't that what everybody does -- but he's not going anywhere until next year and you can't change what you do (or that's what these coaches would have you think anyway) in midstream.

Based on what I see today and we're not even halfway yet, I see the following as playoff teams:

AFC:

Division winners: New England, Pittsburgh, Houston and San Diego. Caveat: Steelers seem shaky and Bengals could take it. At any rate, Bengals (with a couple of numbers ones next year) will be a force. Not sold on any team in the West but I guess I have to pick someone.

Wild Card: Bills and a team in the North. Possibility: Jets and another team in the North.

NFC:

Giants, Packers, Saints and 49ers. Only team I'm iffy about are the Giants.

Wild Cards: Two of Cowboys, Bucs or Lions.

Andrew Luck Winner: Colts ^&grin

 

[sammy719]

Seems like people here are laying it more at the Offensive coordinators door rather than Flacco's. If I am a Ravens fan, I wouldn't sweat this one. Plenty of time to make corrections. I still think they are as good as anyone and they are my lock for the AFC rep in the SB- provided they stay healthy {sm4}[/QUOT]

Chris, your way to nice:smile2:...Sammy

 

[Louis Badolato]

Is it me, or is the NFL producing a product that no longer resembles football? On Sunday I'm watching Packers vs Vikings, when Clay Matthews lays a good clean hit on Ponder. It is not late, not high (a blow to the head) not low (a blow below the knees), and he doesn't land on Ponder - yet he is flagged for roughing the passer. Then I flip on Steelers vs Cardinals and I watch Woodson, a future hall of fame corner back, about to intercept a pass when the receiver literally tackles him before the ball arrives. No offensive pass interference call. Then I flip on the Jets vs the Chargers, and see a San Diego defender try to make a play on the ball on a third down pass make incidental contact with the receiver, and get called for pass interference, first down, the drive continues. In just about every game, whenever a pass is thrown, I expect (and usually get) a flag for pass interference or personal foul, hitting a defenseless receiver. I am within inches of giving up on watching the NFL at all.

I learned to love NFL football in the '80's, watching the best football ever played by the likes of Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana, Walter Payton, Mike Singletary, Dan Marino, Marcus Allen, Bruce Smith, Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, etc. That was football. If a receiver had the stones to go over the middle with Mike Singletary, or Harry Carson, or Ronnie Lott, and his quarterback hung him out to dry, he got knocked into next week. If an offensive coordinator chose to block Lawrence Taylor, or Bruce Smith, or Reggie White one on one, the Quarterback got knocked into another area code, whether it was Joe Montana, or Phil Simms, or Dan Marino. If a defensive back didn't hold or tackle a receiver, or hit him hard before the ball arrived, the receiver either caught the ball, or it was a simple incomplete pass.

I don't watch football to see average quarterbacks throw for 300+ yards regularly. I watch football to see hits. What John Madden used to call "slobberknockers". The NFL rule changes are driving me right out of the game. If I wanted to see a non-contact sport played with ticky tack fouls, I would go back to watching the NBA (something I haven't watched a minute of in more than 10 years, despite formerly being a season ticket holder, because I couldn't stand the ridiculous rule changes made by that putz David Stern). Roger Goodell better wake up and smell the coffee. He inherited the #1 team sport in the United States, and is legislating the violence which made it popular right out of the game.

 

[Warrior]

Is it me, or is the NFL producing a product that no longer resembles football? On Sunday I'm watching Packers vs Vikings, when Clay Matthews lays a good clean hit on Ponder. It is not late, not high (a blow to the head) not low (a blow below the knees), and he doesn't land on Ponder - yet he is flagged for roughing the passer. Then I flip on Steelers vs Cardinals and I watch Woodson, a future hall of fame corner back, about to intercept a pass when the receiver literally tackles him before the ball arrives. No offensive pass interference call. Then I flip on the Jets vs the Chargers, and see a San Diego defender try to make a play on the ball on a third down pass make incidental contact with the receiver, and get called for pass interference, first down, the drive continues. In just about every game, whenever a pass is thrown, I expect (and usually get) a flag for pass interference or personal foul, hitting a defenseless receiver. I am within inches of giving up on watching the NFL at all.

I learned to love NFL football in the '80's, watching the best football ever played by the likes of Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana, Walter Payton, Mike Singletary, Dan Marino, Marcus Allen, Bruce Smith, Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, etc. That was football. If a receiver had the stones to go over the middle with Mike Singletary, or Harry Carson, or Ronnie Lott, and his quarterback hung him out to dry, he got knocked into next week. If an offensive coordinator chose to block Lawrence Taylor, or Bruce Smith, or Reggie White one on one, the Quarterback got knocked into another area code, whether it was Joe Montana, or Phil Simms, or Dan Marino. If a defensive back didn't hold or tackle a receiver, or hit him hard before the ball arrived, the receiver either caught the ball, or it was a simple incomplete pass.

I don't watch football to see average quarterbacks throw for 300+ yards regularly. I watch football to see hits. What John Madden used to call "slobberknockers". The NFL rule changes are driving me right out of the game. If I wanted to see a non-contact sport played with ticky tack fouls, I would go back to watching the NBA (something I haven't watched a minute of in more than 10 years, despite formerly being a season ticket holder, because I couldn't stand the ridiculous rule changes made by that putz David Stern). Roger Goodell better wake up and smell the coffee. He inherited the #1 team sport in the United States, and is legislating the violence which made it popular right out of the game.

Hits the nail square on the head.

The NFL has become a joke.

All of the rules have been changed to benefit the offense, throwing for 300 yards in a game used to be quite an accomplishment, now it's a given it will happen all the time.

And last night, Pollard levels a Jag reciever with a nice, clean hit (a rare occurance for him) and gets called for leading with his helmet, 15 yards, drive continues.

It has truly become the No Fun League as Glanville once said................

 

[lancer]

Is it me, or is the NFL producing a product that no longer resembles football? On Sunday I'm watching Packers vs Vikings, when Clay Matthews lays a good clean hit on Ponder. It is not late, not high (a blow to the head) not low (a blow below the knees), and he doesn't land on Ponder - yet he is flagged for roughing the passer. Then I flip on Steelers vs Cardinals and I watch Woodson, a future hall of fame corner back, about to intercept a pass when the receiver literally tackles him before the ball arrives. No offensive pass interference call. Then I flip on the Jets vs the Chargers, and see a San Diego defender try to make a play on the ball on a third down pass make incidental contact with the receiver, and get called for pass interference, first down, the drive continues. In just about every game, whenever a pass is thrown, I expect (and usually get) a flag for pass interference or personal foul, hitting a defenseless receiver. I am within inches of giving up on watching the NFL at all.

I learned to love NFL football in the '80's, watching the best football ever played by the likes of Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana, Walter Payton, Mike Singletary, Dan Marino, Marcus Allen, Bruce Smith, Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, etc. That was football. If a receiver had the stones to go over the middle with Mike Singletary, or Harry Carson, or Ronnie Lott, and his quarterback hung him out to dry, he got knocked into next week. If an offensive coordinator chose to block Lawrence Taylor, or Bruce Smith, or Reggie White one on one, the Quarterback got knocked into another area code, whether it was Joe Montana, or Phil Simms, or Dan Marino. If a defensive back didn't hold or tackle a receiver, or hit him hard before the ball arrived, the receiver either caught the ball, or it was a simple incomplete pass.

I don't watch football to see average quarterbacks throw for 300+ yards regularly. I watch football to see hits. What John Madden used to call "slobberknockers". The NFL rule changes are driving me right out of the game. If I wanted to see a non-contact sport played with ticky tack fouls, I would go back to watching the NBA (something I haven't watched a minute of in more than 10 years, despite formerly being a season ticket holder, because I couldn't stand the ridiculous rule changes made by that putz David Stern). Roger Goodell better wake up and smell the coffee. He inherited the #1 team sport in the United States, and is legislating the violence which made it popular right out of the game.

Legitimate concerns, Louis. I grew up on football from the end of the '50's thru the '60's when men were men and football was a true smashmouth sport. Today's game bares NO resemblence to the game I loved. Pitty-pat penalties, 400 passing yards and a cloud of tears. Brutal running backs like Jim Brown, Bill Brown, Jim Taylor and the men who tried to stop them like Sam Huff, Mike Curtis, and Dick Butkis were THE football players to watch and admire. Mud, blood, and defense was the game. Not anymore. Too bad. -- Al

 

[jazzeum]

Roger Goodell better wake up and smell the coffee. He inherited the #1 team sport in the United States, and is legislating the violence which made it popular right out of the game.

Well, that is the question isn't it. We are talking about the lives of people who, after they retire, are suffering from pre-mature dementia. Is our enjoyment at seeing a hit that appeals to our primordial instincts worth the life and future of a human being? I don't think so.

That being said, I think they have gone a little bit the other way and legislated more offense into the game. Hopefully, some adjustments will be made. We are also saddled with some terrible refereeing which exists regardless of the new rules. Some of these officials are just plain bad.

 

[Currahee Chris]

Is it me, or is the NFL producing a product that no longer resembles football?

Which is why I made the switch to watching the UFC a couple years ago and following football less, which is probably why I can make grandiose statements like the Ravens making the SB and be none the wiser- ignorance is bliss as they say {sm4}.

Intense athletic competition. great sportsmanship, even addresses the health issues Brad mentions as the fighters have to wait "x" amount of weeks/months before they are allowed to fight again. Google the Cheik Kongo/ Rick Barry fight from a couple months ago- thrilling finish!!

 

[jazzeum]

My son was very interested in UFC a couple of years ago and we used to watch some matches. They guy I liked was the middleweight (I think he was middleweight) from Brasil. Tall and lean and would destroy the competition. Can't remember his name.