N.F.L. 21-22 Season (10 Viewers)

[tdubel]

Arty Donovan and Ordell Brasse (both old school Colts) used to have a local Baltimore TV show about the Colts, a rather typical sports talk show except that the two of them were total loose cannons. You never knew what was going to come out of their mouths in relation to all their old stories of the Colts, That show was a total blast and was the most entertaining sports talk show I have ever seen. -- Al

I liked Donavan a lot, got to meet him on a number of occasions early in my career as he owned a club in Timonium where we held our Christmas party. He was no nonsense, but always took the time to schmooze! He was quite a character and he really was nutty but in a good way. He had no time for nonsense. I am sure in today's crazy, he would have not taken it real well.

TD

 

[lancer]

I liked Donavan a lot, got to meet him on a number of occasions early in my career as he owned a club in Timonium where we held our Christmas party. He was no nonsense, but always took the time to schmooze! He was quite a character and he really was nutty but in a good way. He had no time for nonsense. I am sure in today's crazy, he would have not taken it real well.

TD

That no nonsense aspect seemed to be a trait of a lot of the old Colts. Unitas, Marchetti, Berry, Matte, Curtis, Gaubatz, and on. These guys were serious individuals who wanted nothing but to do their best and win, no excuses. Can't imagine any of them in today's NFL. Boy, I sure miss them and the old NFL way of doing things. -- Al

 

[mikemiller1955]

I think Gruden actually played this as smart as he could. He walked away, his net worth only went up again, he has plenty of financial security. By responding the way he has and walking away, if effect, he preserved future options. I am sure he knew (he is a smart guy) that if he defiantly fought this, the NFL machine would continue to churn out emails.

I don't condone what Gruden said, in context or out of context. I think like everyone he is not perfect and in moments of rage, anger, volatility, he probably said things he wished he could take back. Do I think he is an overt racist, nah, probably not b/c his actions in public have always seemed genuine. That said, just a dumb move all the way around with the emails from a smart guy.

I don't like this witch hunt either b/c I am sure there are more and some will never see the light of day, it just depends who is on the NFL's hit list.

On a side note, remember James Harrison's public comments about Stooge Goodell? Makes you wonder what he wrote in "private" emails !

TD

If I have the story strait, there were 650,000 emails in this string? And they cherry picked a couple to roast the guy? What about any of the replies from those in the string? Or does it end there, the NFL got what they wanted?

I no way, shape or form do I condone what he said.

But this just proves if the NFL has an ax to grind towards you, they will stop at nothing to trash you/get the result they want.

yea...this is a witch hunt...and Gruden was the witch...

I don't personally like or dislike Gruden...but seems like they busted him and just stopped looking after that...

the other documents...the NFLPA wants them all released...but the NFL says it has no intention of releasing all the documents...for confidentiality reasons...guess that excluded Gruden...they got who they wanted...

Washington's only reprimand from the NFL...was a 10 million dollar fine...and all senior executives, including the Snyders, were ordered to take workplace conduct training...what's 10 million to the Snyders?

I know I wouldn't want all my emails released to the public...shame on me...lol...

so what started this investigation?

 

[jazzeum]

This explains it. Let me know if you can’t read it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/sports/football/jon-gruden-emails-dan-snyder.html

 

[Combat]

Bizarre story about Brett Favre owing Mississippi over $1 million for some type of federal welfare payments he received for personal appearances. Imagine the corruption where celebrities are paid millions for ads out of tax payer money and then don't even show up. I don't blame Favre. He must laughing his backside off.

 

[tdubel]

I personally would like to see an investigation of Goodell. All kidding aside, I really think he is crooked and you would find a lot of rotten goods in his cupboard. I think everything from corruption to illegality of labor laws, etc. Just appears to be a slimy guy.

Tom

 

[Warrior]

I personally would like to see an investigation of Goodell. All kidding aside, I really think he is crooked and you would find a lot of rotten goods in his cupboard. I think everything from corruption to illegality of labor laws, etc. Just appears to be a slimy guy.

Tom

He's nothing more than a lap dog stooge for the owners.

I completely understand the attitude towards the Patriots between spygate, deflategate and the video incident at the Bengals practice.

Fact is the rest of the owners had a hard on towards the Patriots, for the most part they could not beat them on the field, so they beat them off it.

The 5 million they spent on the Wells investigation turned up nothing, no smoking gun, no nothing, but Goodell still dropped the hammer on the organization, fined them and docked them a first round draft pick and suspended Brady for four games.

Imagine if you or I were investigated by say the IRS and they found nothing, but we were still fined and spent time in jail; for what??

He does what the owners tell him to do.

And a lot of good that suspension and fine did; they went to three more Super Bowls and played in four strait AFCCG's AFTER all of that nonsense.

 

[tdubel]

He's nothing more than a lap dog stooge for the owners.

I completely understand the attitude towards the Patriots between spygate, deflategate and the video incident at the Bengals practice.

Fact is the rest of the owners had a hard on towards the Patriots, for the most part they could not beat them on the field, so they beat them off it.

The 5 million they spent on the Wells investigation turned up nothing, no smoking gun, no nothing, but Goodell still dropped the hammer on the organization, fined them and docked them a first round draft pick and suspended Brady for four games.

Imagine if you or I were investigated by say the IRS and they found nothing, but we were still fined and spent time in jail; for what??

He does what the owners tell him to do.

And a lot of good that suspension and fine did; they went to three more Super Bowls and played in four strait AFCCG's AFTER all of that nonsense.

The more I read on this, the more disgusting it gets. This stinks of Goodell. I am not condoning what happened to Gruden in the LEAST! He wrote it, he deserves the consequence. Does he still think that way, I don't know nor does it matter, he is paying the price for his actions, which is what should happen.

BUT, the point for me here is Goodell, I know these came out b/c of a Dan Snyder issue, but boy does this seem selective. (Note Gruden vividly described his thoughts of Goodell). Additionally, not sure if you saw this, but they are trying to resurrect the kneeling/Colin K. issue. I mean like its a crime for calling out that idiot? If he was so good, I am pretty sure an "unscrupulous" owner would not have cared and signed him by now? Just maybe he is a raving idiot and that is why he lost his job? As I have said too many times before, you just can't make this crap up!
Tom

 

[Panzer ace]

He's nothing more than a lap dog stooge for the owners.

I completely understand the attitude towards the Patriots between spygate, deflategate and the video incident at the Bengals practice.

Fact is the rest of the owners had a hard on towards the Patriots, for the most part they could not beat them on the field, so they beat them off it.

The 5 million they spent on the Wells investigation turned up nothing, no smoking gun, no nothing, but Goodell still dropped the hammer on the organization, fined them and docked them a first round draft pick and suspended Brady for four games.

Imagine if you or I were investigated by say the IRS and they found nothing, but we were still fined and spent time in jail; for what??

He does what the owners tell him to do.

And a lot of good that suspension and fine did; they went to three more Super Bowls and played in four strait AFCCG's AFTER all of that nonsense.

I always remember Jerry Jones' response many years ago to a reporter's question about what he thought Goodell was going to do about some inane issue:

"He is going to do what is in the best interest of the owners and the NFL....."

 

[Combat]

He's nothing more than a lap dog stooge for the owners.

I completely understand the attitude towards the Patriots between spygate, deflategate and the video incident at the Bengals practice.

Fact is the rest of the owners had a hard on towards the Patriots, for the most part they could not beat them on the field, so they beat them off it.

The 5 million they spent on the Wells investigation turned up nothing, no smoking gun, no nothing, but Goodell still dropped the hammer on the organization, fined them and docked them a first round draft pick and suspended Brady for four games.

Imagine if you or I were investigated by say the IRS and they found nothing, but we were still fined and spent time in jail; for what??

He does what the owners tell him to do.

And a lot of good that suspension and fine did; they went to three more Super Bowls and played in four strait AFCCG's AFTER all of that nonsense.

Goodell knew he had been played after he covered up Spygate to avoid a scandal that would have damaged the NFL. There was never any doubt of guilt in this instance. Do you really think Brady destroys his phone every year with a hammer?

 

[Warrior]

Goodell knew he had been played after he covered up Spygate to avoid a scandal that would have damaged the NFL. There was never any doubt of guilt in this instance. Do you really think Brady destroys his phone every year with a hammer?

If it works like my 600.00 IPhone does vs my old 20.00 flip phone, I'd destroy it with a hammer too.

And "Deflategate" has nothing to do with it.

The biggest nothingburger in the history of sports was Deflategate; they lit up the Colts in the second half with "properly" inflated footballs and hung 24 on the legion of boom in the Super Bowl.

It was a complete and utter load of horseshit, a classic witch hunt................"Let's punish the Patriots over this complete load of garbage because we did not drop the hammer on them before."

 

[Combat]

The Rams beat the hapless Giants today 38-11. The most interesting thing about that is the commentator said it's the first time in NFL history that a game has ended in that final score.

 

[Warrior]

The Rams beat the hapless Giants today 38-11. The most interesting thing about that is the commentator said it's the first time in NFL history that a game has ended in that final score.

At halftime the Giants honored the 10th anniversary of their historic SB 46 win over the Patriots; that Giants team ended the season and 9-7 and somehow, someway ended up in the SB.

That's just all sorts of awesome.

And speaking of SB 46, the other team that played in it lost in OT to Dallas today.

That Dallas offense is for real, Zak looks great.

The Patriots OTOH, suck.

They are just an awful football team.

 

[sammy719]

Ravens beat the Chargers in all phases of a game, nothing fantastic on offense just making plays to move the sticks and score, the Ravens defense finally showed signs of life with playing 4 quarters instead of 1 half...next week a AFC North game against Cinncy.

 

[Panzer ace]

The new NFL:

Hike the ball and have your QB run around for 30 seconds, then have him throw a "pass" and one of 3 things will happen (listed least likely to most):

1. a receiver catches it
2. your team gets a roughing the passer call
3. your team gets a pass interference call on the defense

If your QB is fast (or even if he isn't) he can also run after those 30 seconds and then your team gets the ultimate prize, a personal foul on the tackler, netting even more yards!!!!!!

Hooray!!!!!!!

 

[tdubel]

So, watching the Steelers last night, how the hell does an official stop the clock to review an obvious catch thereby allowing the other team to have the clock stopped (with no timeouts) to kick a tying field goal???? Seriously, and they wonder why people think the NFL is fixed. I never thought I would say this, but some of this crap that is going on week in and week out by "booth review" ie NFL in New York is starting to make the NFL look like the sport of Boxing (questionable matchmaking and even more questionable judging)................................ Steelers won in the end as a lot of time the "world seems to right itself".

TD

 

[tdubel]

So, watching the Steelers last night, how the hell does an official stop the clock to review an obvious catch thereby allowing the other team to have the clock stopped (with no timeouts) to kick a tying field goal???? Seriously, and they wonder why people think the NFL is fixed. I never thought I would say this, but some of this crap that is going on week in and week out by "booth review" ie NFL in New York is starting to make the NFL look like the sport of Boxing (questionable matchmaking and even more questionable judging)................................ Steelers won in the end as a lot of time the "world seems to right itself".

TD

Following up on questionable officiating and the controversial challenge that overruled the officials regarding Ben and Tuck rule fumble, I found this quote from Ben that cracked me up:

"I was told that even though the ball was going forward, my arm was going backwards," Roethlisberger said. "I had to ask Josh Dobbs, who's an aerospace engineer, how that works. He said it's not possible. I can't get fined for that because I'm just telling you what Dobbs said."

I know this is old news and it only gets brought up when it happens to your team, but Cmon Man????? Every week, week in week out there are suspicious calls, why does this keep happening, at some point, you have to question the NFL's integrity.

TD

 

[Combat]

I was puzzled why the Steelers were so irate over the review of the fumble at the end of the game. It was a bonehead decision by the officials but the Seahawks had lined up and downed the ball with one second left on the clock. If the clock had expired before the Seahawks could line up and the game would have been over, that would have been another thing but the clock was stopped either way.

 

[tdubel]

I was puzzled why the Steelers were so irate over the review of the fumble at the end of the game. It was a bonehead decision by the officials but the Seahawks had lined up and downed the ball with one second left on the clock. If the clock had expired before the Seahawks could line up and the game would have been over, that would have been another thing but the clock was stopped either way.

Doug,
it is a lot different having to spike the ball with one second and run your FG unit onto the field with no time left on the clock VS. the scenario they got that allowed them all the time in the world to have their FG unit ready. Whether he makes it or not to me is irrelevant. The Steelers have a legit grip here and I have not found an article this morning disagreeing with them, nor have the NFL responded. Case Closed, the NFL screwed up again, but end of day I don't care we won.

Honestly, the whole league is an utter bs display and the only reason I continue to watch is there is nothing else really on and there are a lot of great individual players. BUT as far as supporting the NFL in any other way - I'm out until Goodell is gone in any kind of monetary support.

TD

 

[Combat]

Tom-
That's a fair point but half the time teams call a TO in that situation to ice the kicker. So the delay in that situation could work either way. The Steelers would have had a major beef if the clock had actually run out! There was no reason to review that play. I agree about watching the NFL. I turn it on by habit but couldn't care less who wins most of these games. It is an enormous waste of time. And when I see 60-80K people at every game paying hundreds of dollars to sit in the cold, have some drunkard spill beer on them, and then sit in traffic for hours to get home, I have to shake my head.

btw: I'm unable to respond directly to your posts.