N.F.L. Season 2018-19 (2 Viewers)

I don’t like Andy Reid because of his part in bringing Michael Vick back into the NFL.

The topic has been discussed many times on this forum and while I respect everyone’s opinion on the subject there is nothing anyone can say that will ever change my mind about how I feel about Vick.
 
Is the spread 3.5? I got 3.

Mattress Mac got 3 1/2 in Vegas...
that was the opening line...
he does this every year to cover his promotion on furniture sales...

my bookie currently has them at -3...

my heart wants Brady to win...
but my head says KC...
that extra 1/2 point is a huge deal if it comes down to a last second field goal..

I have this inner demon telling me it's Brady's destiny...:rolleyes2:
I heard on NFL Network that this is the first time AB has been 100% healthy...

I don't bet enough to change my life win or lose...
soooooooooooooo...lol...
 
As a pats fan, I’ve been rooting against Brady all year.
Now that it’s against kc - I’ll be rooting for Brady!
 
Mattress Mac got 3 1/2 in Vegas...
that was the opening line...
he does this every year to cover his promotion on furniture sales...

my bookie currently has them at -3...

my heart wants Brady to win...
but my head says KC...
that extra 1/2 point is a huge deal if it comes down to a last second field goal..

I have this inner demon telling me it's Brady's destiny...:rolleyes2:
I heard on NFL Network that this is the first time AB has been 100% healthy...

I don't bet enough to change my life win or lose...
soooooooooooooo...lol...


I misspoke. I meant, I'm for KC -3. Brady has pulled off some miracles in past SBs, but Mahomes is just too good. I see the SB as a short-term high risk investment. Mike, you may not bet enough to change your life, but it has to sting if you lose or make your day if you win, right?
 
As a pats fan, I’ve been rooting against Brady all year.
Now that it’s against kc - I’ll be rooting for Brady!

this confuses me...
as a NE fan...
why would you root against Brady?

he brought you years of playoff games and bragging rights...
took NE to 8 Super Bowls and won 6 of them...
I don't understand how a Pat's fan would root against him now...

I talked to George about this a few weeks ago...
he indicated you're not the only NE fan that feels that way...
but not all do...

seems like a Pat's fan would be mad at Kraft...Belichick...the organization...
anybody but Brady...
pay the man...let him retire wearing a Pat's jersey...

NE got the "hometown discount" on paying him his whole career there...
because Brady wasn't greedy and wanted to win...
going for years underpaid when he could have left for more $$$...
so they could build around him...

I think the Pat's should of ponied up and thrown money at him to stay...
instead you got Cam Newton...
and now you root against a man that cemented NE's legacy...

I don't get it...

I still root for Romo as an announcer...
 
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I misspoke. I meant, I'm for KC -3. Brady has pulled off some miracles in past SBs, but Mahomes is just too good. I see the SB as a short-term high risk investment. Mike, you may not bet enough to change your life, but it has to sting if you lose or make your day if you win, right?

Las Vegas opened at 3 1/2...
it promptly dropped to -3...
which may have been a result of Mattress Mac's 3 1/2 million dollar bet with Draft Kings...
if you got KC -3...you got the best of it...
that 1/2 point can kill you sometimes...lol...

and ooooooooh yea...
it's much more fun to close the season with a win...^&grin
 
this confuses me...
as a NE fan...
why would you root against Brady?

he brought you years of playoff games and bragging rights...
took NE to 8 Super Bowls and won 6 of them...
I don't understand how a Pat's fan would root against him now...

I talked to George about this a few weeks ago...
he indicated you're not the only NE fan that feels that way...
but not all do...

seems like a Pat's fan would be mad at Kraft...Belichick...the organization...
anybody but Brady...
pay the man...let him retire wearing a Pat's jersey...

NE got the "hometown discount" on paying him his whole career there...
because Brady wasn't greedy and wanted to win...
going for years underpaid when he could have left for more $$$...
so they could build around him...

I think the Pat's should of ponied up and thrown money at him to stay...
instead you got Cam Newton...
and now you root against a man that cemented NE's legacy...

I don't get it...

I still root for Romo as an announcer...

Mike:

As usual, great post!

Maybe George can speak to Brady not staying with New England a bit more but there were a few reports that said no matter how much he was offered he was going to leave. His relationship with Kraft seemed ok but apparently he had wanted to move on from Belichick for many years. He simply wanted to break free from the shadow that implied he won because of a system and coach.

I agree with you on Romo. I loved him as a player (I’ll never forget his comeback win against the Niners when he played the entire second half with multiple broken ribs) I love him even more as an announcer.

-Jason
 
Mike:

As usual, great post!

Maybe George can speak to Brady not staying with New England a bit more but there were a few reports that said no matter how much he was offered he was going to leave. His relationship with Kraft seemed ok but apparently he had wanted to move on from Belichick for many years. He simply wanted to break free from the shadow that implied he won because of a system and coach.

I agree with you on Romo. I loved him as a player (I’ll never forget his comeback win against the Niners when he played the entire second half with multiple broken ribs) I love him even more as an announcer.

-Jason

I've spoken on this before, but regardless.

I think Jason hits on some good points.

He did take less to stay here all those years, but when you're married to the highest paid supermodel in the world, you can afford to take less.....................

He was basically going year to year and he finally said something to the effect that he wanted two years/60 million dollars to stay.............based on where they were at the time with the cap, if they had signed him to that deal, they would have had to cut a number of players, what would have been left would have been a really bad team, worse than they were this year..............I think he knew they could not pay him, so in effect he shot his way out of town.

The expression "Pay him, look what he did for the team and the organization all those years" is a fools game; you don't pay an athlete for what he's done, you pay him for what he's going to do for you down the road and Belichick determined the time had come to move on.

I think his relationship with Belichick had worn thin, I think he was upset that the rumors where Belichick wanted to keep Jimmy G and trade Brady, but Kraft vetoed that deal, so a strained relationship became a dead relationship.

Belichick also wanted to move on, so both parties got what they wanted.

In truth, I think a lot of players came here chasing a ring and to play with Brady, not to play for Belichick.

Brady drove the bus all those years for the most part; Belichick is a great coach, but players came here to play with Brady.

To Zach's point; once Brady left, he was dead to me, I did not root for him or against him, I've said this a number of times, I root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.

Many fans around here became Bucs fans................yeah great, good for them, adios.

They are already talking about him getting an extension in Tampa; what's he going to do, play until he's 50?

If he wins multiple Super Bowls in Tampa, will he retire and go into the HOF as a Buc?

Honestly, I don't give a **** what he does.

Thanks for the memories, best of luck to you.

50/50 if I even watch the game.......................
 
$30 million a year is hardly outrageous for a franchise QB by today's standards...

and I doubt if any other players would work for minimum wage if our wives were rich...that's funny...

guess it's time to tear down the Brady statues in NE now that he is gone...

no love for him anymore...
 
$30 million a year is hardly outrageous for a franchise QB by today's standards...

and I doubt if any other players would work for minimum wage if our wives were rich...that's funny...

guess it's time to tear down the Brady statues in NE now that he is gone...

no love for him anymore...

Mike,
You understand how the salary cap works, right?

The Patriots were up against it this past year; no, 30 million is not a lot to pay for a franchise QB, but it is when you are up against the cap.

They had Cannon, Hightower, Chung and Bolden opt out due to COVID, which saved them a ton of money against the cap and despite that, all they could afford to pay Newton was 1 million dollars, which was 29 million less than Brady wanted.

The Brady negotiations happened BEFORE the COVID opt outs, so he painted the team into a corner; if they had signed him to what he wanted, the projection is they would have been about 50 million over the cap, so they would have had to cut 50 million worth of salaries.

What sort of team would have been left with 50 million dollars worth of talent gone?

Brady to his credit played ball all those years, kept backloading his contract so they could afford to sign talent to put around him.........................if he was the highest paid, there would have been less talent around him, less wins, less playoff appearances, less Super Bowl trips, less Super Bowl wins................so there is a give and take in play too...................he got sick of backloading, wanted his dough up front, guaranteed, so they told him good luck, thanks for the memories.

Sports is a business, it's not a popularity contest, if you run it like that, you're doomed.

Both Brady and the Patriots organization had had enough of each other; it was time for both parties to move on.

Nothing lasts forever, it was a great 20 year run, historic, probably will never be matched again.

If Patriots fans want to root for Brady wearing someone elses laundry, that is their choice, they are free to do what they want, I'm not one of those fans. I was a Patriots fan long before Brady arrived here as a 6th round draft choice, #199 taken, made the squad only because for some weird reason, they kept 4 QB's his rookie year, he got his chance to play only after Bledsoe nearly got killed after a vicious hit from Mo Lewis.

The Patriots the year before had signed Bledsoe to a massive extension, over 100 million dollars.................then he got hurt.............lost his job to Brady..................after he healed up, Belichick stuck with Brady...............then traded their then franchise QB to the Bills the following year.

Again Mike; it's a business, not a popularity contest, there were a lot of fans around here upset at Belichick for sticking with Brady at the time, they were 6-5 and he stuck with Brady.

It was a football decision, not a decision made with the heart, but rather with the head.

Just like parting ways with Brady after 20 years was a football decision, not a decision made with the heart, but rather with the head.

Oh and BTW, I had no idea Brady was working for 15.00 an hour, that's news to me.

He got plenty of dough while he was here; was he the highest paid, no, but he's not clipping coupons or shopping at Costco either..........................

Again, if supposed Patriots fans want to still root for Brady even though he's no longer on the team, good for them.

On one of the sports forums I belong to, there is a huge discussion about Brady; he and his Bucs come here next year, some fans are saying they will go to the game wearing #12 Tampa jerseys and openly root for Brady.

That makes zero sense to me, as in none, as in 0%; you're going to root for a former player vs your own team?

Once a player leaves here, I'm done rooting for them.

Again; thanks for the memories and best of luck to you.
 
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yes George...I understand the cap...
all teams face it...it's not exclusive to just NE...

and not to get off point with that other than to say...
I think Brady as NE's QB this year...
would have been a much better team than Cam Newton's team with cap money spent on his supporting cast...
most people would probably agree...
once Brady left...I think it can't even be argued that NE is not near as good as when Brady was there...

I'm just amazed how some NE fans root against him now...
almost hate him now...
seems to me like the organization is to blame...
maybe they mismanaged the cap...
 
Great post.
I wish Brady no ill will, but I’m a pats fan. I’ve moved on as Brady has.
Watching Brady the past year here, he was ready to leave. You could see his heart wasn’t in it. I have my Brady helmet signed, all kids of Brady stuff and live having them. I’m not getting rid of any of it. Brady on the patriots I love, Brady playing for someone else, just another teams qb to me.
I’m rooting for Tampa bc I dislike kc - not bc I wasn’t Brady to win. Greatness is greatness though and cool to see a guy continue to be great.

It’s like tiger woods. All the crap he did but for some reason I still root for the guy. I just like seeing greatness
 
yes George...I understand the cap...
all teams face it...it's not exclusive to just NE...

and not to get off point with that other than to say...
I think Brady as NE's QB this year...
would have been a much better team than Cam Newton's team with cap money spent on his supporting cast...
most people would probably agree...
once Brady left...I think it can't even be argued that NE is not near as good as when Brady was there...

I'm just amazed how some NE fans root against him now...
almost hate him now...
seems to me like the organization is to blame...
maybe they mismanaged the cap...

All teams face cap issues, some more than others.

You putting Brady on this team vs Cam; again Mike, that's a 29 million dollar difference, so that means 29 million dollars worth of talent on the team would have to go.

You just can't magically swap out Cam for Brady; naturally if you were able to and keep the rest of the team intact, sure they do better with Brady, but that is not reality.

Reality is 29 million dollars in talent would be gone.

And they were bad this year WITH the talent they had, would have been worse with several key players being gone.
 
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Great post.
I wish Brady no ill will, but I’m a pats fan. I’ve moved on as Brady has.
Watching Brady the past year here, he was ready to leave. You could see his heart wasn’t in it. I have my Brady helmet signed, all kids of Brady stuff and live having them. I’m not getting rid of any of it. Brady on the patriots I love, Brady playing for someone else, just another teams qb to me.
I’m rooting for Tampa bc I dislike kc - not bc I wasn’t Brady to win. Greatness is greatness though and cool to see a guy continue to be great.

It’s like tiger woods. All the crap he did but for some reason I still root for the guy. I just like seeing greatness

Brady in 2019 reminded me of Marino at the end; yelling at receivers, throwing tantrums on the sideline, being frustrated.

Brady is a great QB, generational talent, but he had this circle of trust thing and if a rookie or a new guy dropped a pass or two or ran the wrong route, he was dead to Brady.

Brady used to be one of the first guys who arrived at the facility everyday, he used to go to non mandatory mini camp to work with the new guys, would stay after practice to work with guys; in 2019, all of that stopped.

For the first time ever, he did not come to non mandatory mini camp, did not put in the time or the effort as he had done in the past.

IMO, as you said, he had one foot out the door already.

He could have stayed if he really wanted to, worked on similar contract as in years past, but he choose not to, painted the team into a corner, they said adios.

AGAIN; it was time for both parties to move on.

Now I notice he's one of the first guys at the Tampa facility every day, stays and works with receivers, doing the things he used to do here.

Whatever makes him happy.

He's no longer the QB for the Patriots, so that's that.

When other athletes left here; off the top of my head......................Pedro Martinez, Wade Boggs, Manny Ramirez, Dwight Evans, Fred Lynn, Rajan Rondo, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Zdeno Chara, Ray Bourque, Tyler Seguin, Joe Thornton, Ty Law, Drew Bledsoe, Vince Wilfork, Kyle Van Noy, Mike Vrabel, Curtis Martin, etc, etc................I did not actively root for them/follow them/cheer for them................they are gone, thanks for the memories.

Just like I don't follow any of my ex girlfriends............."Gee, I wonder what so and so is up to, wonder how she's doing, hope she's doing swell"........................I don't wish anything bad on any of them, but I'm not actively rooting for any of them either.

Same with former athletes from Boston........................buh bye.
 
It’s like tiger woods. All the crap he did but for some reason I still root for the guy. I just like seeing greatness


this is a good analogy...
greatness compared to greatness...

there was a time I was his greatest fan...
while he has somewhat disappointed me with his personal life...
I don't suddenly hate him for that...
I still I root for him...
a fan of his accomplishments forever...
 
George...

I kind of understand your dropping any allegience and love for him...
either way...it's your choice...

but I'm guessing a lot of Pat's fans still love him for what he gave them...
and wish management had figured out a way to have him on the team in 2020...

I hope he wins tomorrow...
if so...
that record will stand forever...
7 SB titles will never be broken...
 
I am rooting for KC. Reason - I am not a Brady fan, I respect him and I admit I did root for the comeback against Atlanta b/c I was in such shock, I wanted to see him lead it. That said, I can't and will not root for Tampa Bay - reasons - Arians, Brady , AB. Nuff said. As a Steeler fan, Brady has been the thorn in the side that arguably kept the Steelers from at least 3 more SB appearances, maybe more. Jealous, yeah, more upset that Big Ben had to share the same era as Brady (Brady is the GOAT no doubt). SO, for me, I would rather see a changing of the guard, Mahomes is fun to watch and he is going to be a great one. Talented and time for the New Era.

Regarding the Steelers, I am glad Big Ben is going to do another year, as a fan, I love him. That said, I am also hopeful that the Steelers are making plans to move on too and he will hopefully help his own transition.

Anyhow, end of day, I probably really don't care who wins tomorrow, but a large part of me is on the "ABB" train - "Anbody but Brady OR Anybody but Brown".

Call me a hater!
TD
 
George...

I kind of understand your dropping any allegience and love for him...
either way...it's your choice...

but I'm guessing a lot of Pat's fans still love him for what he gave them...
and wish management had figured out a way to have him on the team in 2020...

I hope he wins tomorrow...
if so...
that record will stand forever...
7 SB titles will never be broken...

The fact is he's not on my team anymore, so I'm no longer a fan of him or what he does.

I've never made a habit of following/caring about a player once he leaves Boston/New England, he's no different.

Did 49ers fans follow Montana when he left, or did Colts fans follow Manning when he left, or did San Diego fans follow Rivers when he left?

Granted, none of those guys won 6 Super Bowls, but still, I don't think so.

Truth be told, he shot his way out of town, refused to sign the franchise tag and threw a two year/60 million dollar number at the team knowing full well they would not/could not pay it.

It's weird and goofy seeing in that Tampa uniform.

He claims he wants to play until he's 45.

We'll see about that.
 

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