N.F.L. Season 2018-19 (2 Viewers)

[Panzer ace]

Jason...

you have made several posts over the years blaming JJ being the GM as the cause for their failures...
I have never disputed that claim from you...
but where specifically does he fall short in your opinion as a GM?

he's not in his luxury box calling plays with a headset on...he's not on the sideline calling plays...he's certainly not in the game playing...his job title has specific duties...

I feel like he has given them the talent to win with the players selected...I feel he has put a good team on the roster...if he has screwed the pooch on anything...I think it's his selection of head coach Jason Garrett...do you think JJ is somehow meddlesome in the actual game...when they pan in on him...he's just sitting there watching...he's not coaching or calling plays....please expand...maybe you know something I don't...if you read his job duties below...I think he has done more than a satisfactory job of his duties...when the Cowboys lose...it seems a catch all phrase by fans, haters and observers...that it is all JJ's fault...

"as long as JJ is the GM...they will never win"...

why do you think that?

I Googled "what are the responsibilites of an NFL GM?"...

Job responsibilities include hiring the head coach, building the remainder of the personnel department staff, coordinating the rubric for scouting college prospects and compiling the team's roster in accordance to the NFL's salary cap...

In the National Football League, the general manager or GM of a team typically controls player transactions and bears the primary responsibility on behalf of the team during contract discussions with players.

Mike:

I base it on a couple of things:

Short of playing college football he has no experience in anything else related to football (besides watching it). Find me another GM who has that resume.

He had a great great coach in Jimmy Johnson who won him two Super Bowls (3 if you include the one that Switzer won with a team Johnson created). That relationship ended because Jones felt like he didn't get the credit for those championships. Once Johnson was gone Jones took over as GM and since then the franchise has been marred by his meddling and an ego that demands the limelight.

His draft picks and free agent signings have been mediocre at best.

His cap management and spending is very poor.

Finally, none of the NFL dynasties have ever had an owner like Jones. Robert Kraft, Art Rooney II and Eddie DeBartolo were never the GM's of their teams.

-Jason

 

[mikemiller1955]

Mike:

I base it on a couple of things:

Short of playing college football he has no experience in anything else related to football (besides watching it). Find me another GM who has that resume.

He had a great great coach in Jimmy Johnson who won him two Super Bowls (3 if you include the one that Switzer won with a team Johnson created). That relationship ended because Jones felt like he didn't get the credit for those championships. Once Johnson was gone Jones took over as GM and since then the franchise has been marred by his meddling and an ego that demands the limelight.

His draft picks and free agent signings have been mediocre at best.

His cap management and spending is very poor.

Finally, none of the NFL dynasties have ever had an owner like Jones. Robert Kraft, Art Rooney II and Eddie DeBartolo were never the GM's of their teams.

-Jason

Jason...

I respect your opinion and thank you for responding...
I'm not trying to be argumentative...
just trying to see why you...
and so many others blame JJ for their last 20 years of their mediocrity...

he now has 31 years of being a GM...
do you think most GM's have that kind resume...
they all started somewhere...
often as college or professional players...

I agree...
he is extremely outspoken publicly...
and yes he does have high visibility with the orqanization...
but does that affect a team from winning or losing on the field?
who says an outspoken owner can't win games?
Al Davis won 3 Superbowls...

I don't know if you have ever owned a business...
but if you can't get along with an employee...
you let them go...
no matter how good he is...
if you can't get along with them...
you let them go...
that's the privilege of being an owner...
if he takes the enjoyment out of your investment...
he needs to go...
would you keep a guy on your payroll that you couldn't get along with?
JJ and JJ had a bad relationship...

and that is not true about his draft picks at all...
his draft picks have been outstanding....
praised by many in the NFL...

Past Pro Bowl draft winners currently on the roster...
DeMarcus Lawrence...
Byron Jones...
Zack Martin...
Tyron Smith...
Zeke Elliott...
Jason Witten...
Amari Cooper...
Leighton Vander Esch...
Dak Prescott...
Tyron Smith...
Sean Lee...
all those guys are on the current roster today...
and a lot of these were multiple All Pro winners...

and his cap management has been good...
they even had an enormous surplus of cap money left over for this year from last year...

JJ has won 3 of the last 30 Superbowls...
that's 10% of all the Superbowls in the last 30 years...
10% is a huge number...
there are 32 teams in the NFL...
that's a ton...
some teams have never won a Superbowl...
ever...
the Bengals...Bills, Browns, Chargers, Falcons, Jaguars, Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans, and Vikings...never won once...
JJ has won 10% in his tenure...

if you're gonna blame him for the loses and say he is incompetent and the reason they have been unsuccessful...
you have to at least give him some credit for hiring the right people when he was winning...
that would be fair...

I blame Garrett...
who JJ hired and hope he fires after this season...

finally...
Al Davis was pretty successful and outspoken as a GM through the Raider's dynasty......

 

[Panzer ace]

Jason...

I respect your opinion and thank you for responding...
I'm not trying to be argumentative...
just trying to see why you...
and so many others blame JJ for their last 20 years of their mediocrity...

he now has 31 years of being a GM...
do you think most GM's have that kind resume...
they all started somewhere...
often as college or professional players...

I agree...
he is extremely outspoken publicly...
and yes he does have high visibility with the orqanization...
but does that affect a team from winning or losing on the field?
who says an outspoken owner can't win games?
Al Davis won 3 Superbowls...

I don't know if you have ever owned a business...
but if you can't get along with an employee...
you let them go...
no matter how good he is...
if you can't get along with them...
you let them go...
that's the privilege of being an owner...
if he takes the enjoyment out of your investment...
he needs to go...
would you keep a guy on your payroll that you couldn't get along with?
JJ and JJ had a bad relationship...

and that is not true about his draft picks at all...
his draft picks have been outstanding....
praised by many in the NFL...

Past Pro Bowl draft winners currently on the roster...
DeMarcus Lawrence...
Byron Jones...
Zack Martin...
Tyron Smith...
Zeke Elliott...
Jason Witten...
Amari Cooper...
Leighton Vander Esch...
Dak Prescott...
Tyron Smith...
Sean Lee...
all those guys are on the current roster today...
and a lot of these were multiple All Pro winners...

and his cap management has been good...
they even had an enormous surplus of cap money left over for this year from last year...

JJ has won 3 of the last 30 Superbowls...
that's 10% of all the Superbowls in the last 30 years...
10% is a huge number...
there are 32 teams in the NFL...
that's a ton...
some teams have never won a Superbowl...
ever...
the Bengals...Bills, Browns, Chargers, Falcons, Jaguars, Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans, and Vikings...never won once...
JJ has won 10% in his tenure...

if you're gonna blame him for the loses and say he is incompetent and the reason they have been unsuccessful...
you have to at least give him some credit for hiring the right people when he was winning...
that would be fair...

I blame Garrett...
who JJ hired and hope he fires after this season...

finally...
Al Davis was pretty successful and outspoken as a GM through the Raider's dynasty......

Mike:
I certainly do not see this as an argument, more of a discussion among football fans!


Jones’ 31 years as GM are directly related to him owning the team. In any other organization he would have been fired as the GM long ago.


I am pretty familiar with the history of the Raiders having grown up in the Bay Area. Davis serves as a great comparison to Jones. The Raiders last won a Super Bowl in 1984 and one of the biggest reasons why they did not win one after that is due to the fact that Al Davis got more involved with the day to day operations starting in 1985. The last time they were actually competitive was in John Grudens’ first stint as head coach. Gruden ultimately left because Davis’ meddling.


We do currently own a business and I put the success of our business before my ego. Just because I am the owner doesn’t mean I know everything about the business itself, thus we have people in place to run the portions of the business where we lack knowledge. I am not bigger than the business.


I can send a list of Jones’ draft picks denounced by many in the NFL. It is probably easier to point out that the Cowboys’ 2009 draft is seen as one of the worst (if not the worst) by any team since 2000. It wasn’t just the awful picks, it was also the fact that many of Jones’ trades leading up to the draft left them in terrible spots.


Jones’ cap management will probably cost them Amari Cooper in the off season. In the pass happy NFL he is the more important signing than Elliot.


Again, I don’t see it as Jones winning those Super Bowls anymore than I see it being Kraft’s or DeBartolo’s Super Bowls. Those belong to Belichick and Walsh and those Cowboy Super Bowls truly belong to Johnson.


It is worth noting that there is plenty of blame to go around regarding the Cowboys. Garrett must shoulder plenty of the blame as well. His play calling can be atrocious, and his leadership is questionable.

Since their last Super Bowl the Cowboys have changed coaches, players, style of play, heck they even moved into a new stadium all to no avail. The one constant in that time has been Jones at the helm. Maybe it is time for a new GM?


-Jason

 

[mikemiller1955]

Mike:
I certainly do not see this as an argument, more of a discussion among football fans!


Jones’ 31 years as GM are directly related to him owning the team. In any other organization he would have been fired as the GM long ago.


I am pretty familiar with the history of the Raiders having grown up in the Bay Area. Davis serves as a great comparison to Jones. The Raiders last won a Super Bowl in 1984 and one of the biggest reasons why they did not win one after that is due to the fact that Al Davis got more involved with the day to day operations starting in 1985. The last time they were actually competitive was in John Grudens’ first stint as head coach. Gruden ultimately left because Davis’ meddling.


We do currently own a business and I put the success of our business before my ego. Just because I am the owner doesn’t mean I know everything about the business itself, thus we have people in place to run the portions of the business where we lack knowledge. I am not bigger than the business.


I can send a list of Jones’ draft picks denounced by many in the NFL. It is probably easier to point out that the Cowboys’ 2009 draft is seen as one of the worst (if not the worst) by any team since 2000. It wasn’t just the awful picks, it was also the fact that many of Jones’ trades leading up to the draft left them in terrible spots.


Jones’ cap management will probably cost them Amari Cooper in the off season. In the pass happy NFL he is the more important signing than Elliot.


Again, I don’t see it as Jones winning those Super Bowls anymore than I see it being Kraft’s or DeBartolo’s Super Bowls. Those belong to Belichick and Walsh and those Cowboy Super Bowls truly belong to Johnson.


It is worth noting that there is plenty of blame to go around regarding the Cowboys. Garrett must shoulder plenty of the blame as well. His play calling can be atrocious, and his leadership is questionable.

Since their last Super Bowl the Cowboys have changed coaches, players, style of play, heck they even moved into a new stadium all to no avail. The one constant in that time has been Jones at the helm. Maybe it is time for a new GM?


-Jason

Jason...

I respect your opinions...but can't agree with them...I don't know if you watch the games or just see highlights on ESPN or just read box scores...but I have not missed a game in 15-20 years...I record all the games and watch them over...some are hard to watch...^&grin...I'm comfortable in my assessment of the team's deficiencies...Garrett's coaching is really bad...even the announcers criticize him...regularly...and not just any announcers...but Troy Aikman does too...that's pretty blunt when an ex player of the organization criticizes the coach...

here's a recent example that stumps me about Garrett...last week against Buffalo...Elliott had 12 rushes for 71 yards...averaging 6 yards per play...12 rushes is all they gave him when he was running roughshod over Buffalo's run defense...that is BAD COACHING...JJ had nothing to do with that...

I had to look up their 2009 draft...and yes it was bad...but to be fair...their first pick was a 3rd rounder...I mean really...how often do you strike gold in the 3rd round...

the nucleus of the team now is stacked with talent that Garrett can't seem to capitalize on...JJ got the players for him...he did his job...they have what is referred to as the "big 3" by most teams...Garrett doesn't know what to do with them...Prescott leads the league in yards passing...Elliott is 6th in rushing yards...Cooper is 5th in passing yards...Gallup is 24th...Cobb is 39th...3 receivers in the top 39....if Belichick had that receiving crew...it would be lights out! Wouldn't matter if Kraft's 3rd cousin on his sister's side was the GM...

if they had a defense that could stop anyone...they would look a lot better...

if JJ built the team and staff...he should get some credit for winning 3 Superbowls...but everybody only blames him for their loses...most of my hardcore Dallas fans blame Garrett...not JJ...he has made the cap work and gotten quality players for Garrett to squander...

Prescott and Cooper will be on the team next year...they have been pushing a deal at both of them since before the beginning of the season...granted...one of them may get the franchise tag...so they can keep Byron Jones...but they will be there next year...they gave up a first round pick to get Cooper...they will keep him for sure...unless his consistent foot injuries get him booted...they didn't give up a 1st round pick for one year of service...

players and coaches dictate the style of play...so of course it changes with personnel...when defense put 7-8 in the box...your offense has to adjust...

a new stadium...
there is nothing about a new stadium that makes a team start winning Superbowls is there?

 

[Panzer ace]

Jason...

I respect your opinions...but can't agree with them...I don't know if you watch the games or just see highlights on ESPN or just read box scores...but I have not missed a game in 15-20 years...I record all the games and watch them over...some are hard to watch...^&grin...I'm comfortable in my assessment of the team's deficiencies...Garrett's coaching is really bad...even the announcers criticize him...regularly...and not just any announcers...but Troy Aikman does too...that's pretty blunt when an ex player of the organization criticizes the coach...

here's a recent example that stumps me about Garrett...last week against Buffalo...Elliott had 12 rushes for 71 yards...averaging 6 yards per play...12 rushes is all they gave him when he was running roughshod over Buffalo's run defense...that is BAD COACHING...JJ had nothing to do with that...

I had to look up their 2009 draft...and yes it was bad...but to be fair...their first pick was a 3rd rounder...I mean really...how often do you strike gold in the 3rd round...

the nucleus of the team now is stacked with talent that Garrett can't seem to capitalize on...JJ got the players for him...he did his job...they have what is referred to as the "big 3" by most teams...Garrett doesn't know what to do with them...Prescott leads the league in yards passing...Elliott is 6th in rushing yards...Cooper is 5th in passing yards...Gallup is 24th...Cobb is 39th...3 receivers in the top 39....if Belichick had that receiving crew...it would be lights out! Wouldn't matter if Kraft's 3rd cousin on his sister's side was the GM...

if they had a defense that could stop anyone...they would look a lot better...

if JJ built the team and staff...he should get some credit for winning 3 Superbowls...but everybody only blames him for their loses...most of my hardcore Dallas fans blame Garrett...not JJ...he has made the cap work and gotten quality players for Garrett to squander...

Prescott and Cooper will be on the team next year...they have been pushing a deal at both of them since before the beginning of the season...granted...one of them may get the franchise tag...so they can keep Byron Jones...but they will be there next year...they gave up a first round pick to get Cooper...they will keep him for sure...unless his consistent foot injuries get him booted...they didn't give up a 1st round pick for one year of service...

players and coaches dictate the style of play...so of course it changes with personnel...when defense put 7-8 in the box...your offense has to adjust...

a new stadium...
there is nothing about a new stadium that makes a team start winning Superbowls is there?

Mike:

I do enjoy Aikman's commentary, for a lot of reasons, chief among them is the fact that he is not afraid to criticize his former team or even his colleagues!

Again, I get the play calling and leadership critique of Garrett. However if Garrett is so bad and Jones is so great why hasn't the GM (Jones) fired him a long time ago?

The reason why their first pick in 2009 was in the 3rd round was because Jones traded away all of the Cowboys' draft capital.

I am not sure what to make of the defense as they are ranked 8th overall in the NFL as of today, ahead of Baltimore (9) and New Orleans (10).

Essentially what you are saying is that the Jones has put together a great team full of players whose statistics are off the charts and the blame all falls on Garrett and his staff. I disagree. There is much more to winning Super Bowls than stats and league leaders. The best example of that is the Patriots. There is chemistry, team cohesion and need. However, if you are a GM who doesn't know how to read those things you probably are going to simply rely on numbers when signing players.

My point about the stadium is that in an attempt to win the Super Bowl the Cowboys have tried changing everything in the past 20 years except for their GM. The common denominator in those seasons is Jones.

-Jason

 

[mikemiller1955]

Mike:

I do enjoy Aikman's commentary, for a lot of reasons, chief among them is the fact that he is not afraid to criticize his former team or even his colleagues!

Again, I get the play calling and leadership critique of Garrett. However if Garrett is so bad and Jones is so great why hasn't the GM (Jones) fired him a long time ago?

The reason why their first pick in 2009 was in the 3rd round was because Jones traded away all of the Cowboys' draft capital.

I am not sure what to make of the defense as they are ranked 8th overall in the NFL as of today, ahead of Baltimore (9) and New Orleans (10).

Essentially what you are saying is that the Jones has put together a great team full of players whose statistics are off the charts and the blame all falls on Garrett and his staff. I disagree. There is much more to winning Super Bowls than stats and league leaders. The best example of that is the Patriots. There is chemistry, team cohesion and need. However, if you are a GM who doesn't know how to read those things you probably are going to simply rely on numbers when signing players.

My point about the stadium is that in an attempt to win the Super Bowl the Cowboys have tried changing everything in the past 20 years except for their GM. The common denominator in those seasons is Jones.

-Jason

Jason...

Jones seems to have some unending...never dying loyalty to Garrett...as he does with a lot of players...it's well documented by both Garrett...JJ and fellow players...I don't have an answer for that...only a solution...replace Garrett...

the GM's duties are to control player's transactions...manage the cap and hire the staff...
I think JJ has done well on the first 2...he needs to find a new head coach...

I'm surprised they are ranked #8 in total defense...I did not know that...I can only assume it is the quality of the teams they have played...an easy schedule...not offensive juggernauts for opponents...

a lot of experts picked Dallas to go far this year...everyone said this was the most talented team they have assembled...I think Garrett has been given ample time to excel...10 years and he hasn't gotten it done...he is the weak link to me...they have lost 4 games by a total of 12 points...that's not JJ...that's the head coach...

and in Garrett's defense...he's not on the field making plays...the players have to be accountable for some portion of not executing...

Jason...I have enjoyed the chat...I think I have made my point...as you have made yours...I do like to vent my opinion about Dallas...and appreciate your being candid on your opinion of JJ...but unless Garrett wins out for a 10-6 record...

or backs into the playoffs with a rabbit's foot up his butt...and goes far...which in itself is no small feat for these under achievers...I think that albatross of a head coach will be gone after this season...

tomorrow night is a huge game for them...

 

[jazzeum]

Good luck. You’ll need it.

 

[Panzer ace]

Jason...

Jones seems to have some unending...never dying loyalty to Garrett...as he does with a lot of players...it's well documented by both Garrett...JJ and fellow players...I don't have an answer for that...only a solution...replace Garrett...

the GM's duties are to control player's transactions...manage the cap and hire the staff...
I think JJ has done well on the first 2...he needs to find a new head coach...

I'm surprised they are ranked #8 in total defense...I did not know that...I can only assume it is the quality of the teams they have played...an easy schedule...not offensive juggernauts for opponents...

a lot of experts picked Dallas to go far this year...everyone said this was the most talented team they have assembled...I think Garrett has been given ample time to excel...10 years and he hasn't gotten it done...he is the weak link to me...they have lost 4 games by a total of 12 points...that's not JJ...that's the head coach...

and in Garrett's defense...he's not on the field making plays...the players have to be accountable for some portion of not executing...

Jason...I have enjoyed the chat...I think I have made my point...as you have made yours...I do like to vent my opinion about Dallas...and appreciate your being candid on your opinion of JJ...but unless Garrett wins out for a 10-6 record...

or backs into the playoffs with a rabbit's foot up his butt...and goes far...which in itself is no small feat for these under achievers...I think that albatross of a head coach will be gone after this season...

tomorrow night is a huge game for them...

Mike:

I enjoyed the chat as well. I appreciate your points and thanks to your insight I do have an even deeper negative view of Garrett.

I agree with you on Garrett needing to win out to keep his job but I also think he will need to win a playoff game too. I don't think that will be easy since it looks like they might have to play either San Francisco or Seattle in the first round.

Good luck tonight, I'll be watching the game from Cali.

Best,
Jason

 

[zblang]

Michael Vick was named a pro bowl captain! It’s like the NFL is trying to turn people away!

 

[Warrior]

Quite a performance by Dallas tonight.

If ever there was a team that should fire their coach in mid season, it's this tire fire of a team.

Talent up and down the roster and they are a disaster.

They can fire Garrett, but Kris Richard and Rod Marinelli should be in the bus with him.

They are a mess.

​

 

[Warrior]

To further Jason's point, since 1995 Dallas is 4-10 in the playoffs, they haven't had a whiff of the conference championship game in 23 years.

It's not due to lack of talent, it's a lack of coaching, a parade of stooges since Jimmy Johnson left.

And Kraft is no genius either, he had Parcells here and meddled, Parcells wanted a defensive player one year in the first round, Kraft forced him into drafting Terry Glenn, when Parcells left here, his famous line was "If they want you to cook the meal, they should let you shop for the groceries"...………..classic.

Kraft got lucky when he hired Belichick and he learned his lesson and has for the most part stayed in the background, although it was rumored Garappolo was shipped out of town as Brady was whining about him, Belichick wanted to keep him, Kraft ordered him traded...…………….and it was Kraft's idea to cut Brown, not Belichicks, again rumor has it Brady was pissed about that, probably the final straw as he's not coming back here next year, he either moves on to a new team or he retires...………………...

 

[Warrior]

"What a run by Tribshitsky!!"................

They wanted to run this guy out of town on a rail, now he's the second coming of crazy legs Hirsch.

Oh and WOW!!, I see the Who are going to be on NFL this morning tomorrow!

Good God, another fossil rock band.

Do any of these bands and I mean any of them actually retire or do they just keep performing until they drop dead?

 

[tdubel]

Michael Vick was named a pro bowl captain! It’s like the NFL is trying to turn people away!

He actually cleaned up his image and his spot in Pittsburgh helped that. He is getting more public positive press nowadays. Look, I hate what he was involved in and what he did and probably will never EVER get over it. That said and you don't hear this too often from me, he has tried to make amends both finanically and philanthropically to make up. He also made the IRS whole on the tax bill and did a much better job managing his money from his comeback. He is no longer a multi millionaire and seemingly is a much more humble guy. SO, end of day, he is making the most of his second chance.

Still though, the original act sickens me.

TD

 

[mikemiller1955]

Quite a performance by Dallas tonight.

If ever there was a team that should fire their coach in mid season, it's this tire fire of a team.

Talent up and down the roster and they are a disaster.

They can fire Garrett, but Kris Richard and Rod Marinelli should be in the bus with him.

They are a mess.

​

Agreed!!!!!

it's time for a new coach...

and you can throw Maher a ticket too...
he suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks!

 

[tdubel]

"What a run by Tribshitsky!!"................

They wanted to run this guy out of town on a rail, now he's the second coming of crazy legs Hirsch.

Oh and WOW!!, I see the Who are going to be on NFL this morning tomorrow!

Good God, another fossil rock band.

Do any of these bands and I mean any of them actually retire or do they just keep performing until they drop dead?

George,
don't mess with The Who!!!!!!!!!! I saw them on their 50th, actually a helluva show and they were downright comedians between songs about everything including themselves, Trump, etc and they were actually funny!
TD

 

[jazzeum]

Pete and Roger still love to perform, so why not, although they don’t really get along. Townshend recently got in trouble when he said something like that he was glad that Keith Moon and John Entwistle were dead because they were annoying when they were alive. He had to backtrack, saying he didn’t really mean what he said.

 

[tdubel]

Pete and Roger still love to perform, so why not, although they don’t really get along. Townshend recently got in trouble when he said something like that he was glad that Keith Moon and John Entwistle were dead because they were annoying when they were alive. He had to backtrack, saying he didn’t really mean what he said.

He really had zero filter at the show I saw, 90% was funny, but did have a few oddities.
Tom

 

[jazzeum]

He really had zero filter at the show I saw, 90% was funny, but did have a few oddities.
Tom

I guess when you’re a legend, who’s going to stop you?

 

[Combat]

"What a run by Tribshitsky!!"................

They wanted to run this guy out of town on a rail, now he's the second coming of crazy legs Hirsch.

Oh and WOW!!, I see the Who are going to be on NFL this morning tomorrow!

Good God, another fossil rock band.

Do any of these bands and I mean any of them actually retire or do they just keep performing until they drop dead?

I think they keep performing until their fans die. Which should be any day now. Didn't old Pete Townshend get involved in some child porn scandal? What a piece of work. But nothing to see there. Bring on those Ray Lewis jerseys. Maybe OJ is available to sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl and can drive off the field in a white bronco for old times sake.

 

[jazzeum]

I think they keep performing until their fans die. Which should be any day now. Didn't old Pete Townshend get involved in some child porn scandal? What a piece of work. But nothing to see there. Bring on those Ray Lewis jerseys. Maybe OJ is available to sing the national anthem at the Super Bowl and can drive off the field in a white bronco for old times sake.

He was given a police caution in 2003 but not arrested or convicted but placed on a sex offender list for five years.