N.F.L. Season 2018-19 (2 Viewers)

[Warrior]

Losing is losing, but losing due to bad refs is the worst!
And yes, I am a pats fan but not limiting that comment to the pats... just sucks overall

The referees have clear instructions from the league; if they are unsure on a fumble, let it play out, DON'T BLOW THE WHISTLE. Blowing the whistle cost the Saints a TD and a game earlier this year, so they have been instructed since to let the play go and come back to it if necessary.

They also have clear instructions if they are unsure, to call it a TD on the field and let review either uphold or overturn the TD.

In this game, they ****ed it up both times, blowing the whistle when they were not sure, then not calling it a TD when they were not sure.

This crew is historically bad, just horrendous, which means guaranteed they'll get the Super Bowl assignment in this broken toilet of a league.

 

[Warrior]

The Seahawks are getting pasted by a very thoroughly mediocre Rams team. They'll finish 12-4 and the #5 seed and everyone will say how good they are and how dangerous they are come playoff time.​

Meanwhile, the Patriots will finish 13-3 with an elite defense and still with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and the #2 seed, and pundits will be talking about how down they are and how ripe they are to be buried.

Keep throwing dirt on their grave.

​

 

[jazzeum]

They’re not horrible but they have lost three out of their last five. They’re not heading in the right direction.

 

[Combat]

They’re not horrible but they have lost three out of their last five. They’re not heading in the right direction.

The Pats offense is horrible. Their record has been bolstered by one of the weakest AFC's in recent memory and a good D. They would be in real trouble except they get the 1-12 Bengals this week and the 3-10 Dolphins to end the season. If they fall behind the Chiefs in the standings they are toast. Other than the Ravens everyone else is down though. The Chiefs are not the same as last year. With that said, Belichick is a great coach. The Pats should get a cupcake playoff game at home (which they might win) and then play the Ravens. So they have an outside shot although I think the Ravens bring the chickens home to roost this year and blow them out. The Seachickens looked terrible last night. So the sea is parting for the Niners and Ravens.

 

[tdubel]

Refs in the Pats game should not be allowed to ref another game, it as beyond horrendous and cost them a chance to win the game. If the TD is called correctly, they kick a FG to tie to go into overtime. NO question on that. It is not even a debatable issue. Now, again, taking that away, they missed calls on the last drive that are inexcusable. The Chiefs got away with murder in the secondary.

All of this is coming from NOT a Pats fan, I just don't like to see this kind of crap happen, its not fair when it happens either way. Ridiculous that this kind of stuff is happening with blatant video evidence. I am not a fan of NY interfering in every play, but in this game, those calls were not judgement calls, they were clear as day.

TD

 

[jazzeum]

The Pats offense is horrible. Their record has been bolstered by one of the weakest AFC's in recent memory and a good D. They would be in real trouble except they get the 1-12 Bengals this week and the 3-10 Dolphins to end the season. If they fall behind the Chiefs in the standings they are toast. Other than the Ravens everyone else is down though. The Chiefs are not the same as last year. With that said, Belichick is a great coach. The Pats should get a cupcake playoff game at home (which they might win) and then play the Ravens. So they have an outside shot although I think the Ravens bring the chickens home to roost this year and blow them out. The Seachickens looked terrible last night. So the sea is parting for the Niners and Ravens.

Article in today’s Washington Post about the Patriots, https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...0927b6-19ee-11ea-b4c1-fd0d91b60d9e_story.html

I don’t know what happened to the Seahawks last night but they shot themselves in the foot. I’m sure Jason is beyond happy; my son sure was.

 

[Warrior]

They’re not horrible but they have lost three out of their last five. They’re not heading in the right direction.

They surrounded Brady with chicken **** talent and they expect him to once again turn it into chicken salad.

Then they lost their starting center and their lead blocker fullback, so the running game has been crap too.

Brady has Edelman, who gets double teamed, Sanu, who sucks, Meyers, who's an UDFA, Dorsett, who keeps running the wrong routes and Harry, who can't stay on the field, throw in hot garbage at tight end and yes, their offense is horrible.

 

[Warrior]

Refs in the Pats game should not be allowed to ref another game, it as beyond horrendous and cost them a chance to win the game. If the TD is called correctly, they kick a FG to tie to go into overtime. NO question on that. It is not even a debatable issue. Now, again, taking that away, they missed calls on the last drive that are inexcusable. The Chiefs got away with murder in the secondary.

All of this is coming from NOT a Pats fan, I just don't like to see this kind of crap happen, its not fair when it happens either way. Ridiculous that this kind of stuff is happening with blatant video evidence. I am not a fan of NY interfering in every play, but in this game, those calls were not judgement calls, they were clear as day.

TD

There should be a way to double like a post.

I hate, hate, HATE to play the blame game and blame the refs, but they were BEYOND incompetent yesterday.

The side judge was about to signal TD, then the back judge comes running over and they had a ten minute conference and ruled Harry was out of bounds.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU HANDLE THAT; YOU CALL IT A TD, THEN LET NY DECIDE.

And it's MORONIC that NY can't review that because it was not ruled a TD on the field.

And the mugging the Chiefs got away with in the secondary was criminal, no calls at all. They run pick routes and rub routes ALL THE TIME on offense and get away with it time after time after time.

If Edelman does it, flag, if Gronk did it back in the day, flag...……..but nope, do it vs NE and it's fine and dandy.

And on the Kelce fumble; FOR THE 900TH TIME, there is a clear mandate to NOT BLOW THE WHISTLE and let the play run out, they blew it in the Saints game earlier in the year, costing them a TD and the game, so the mandate came down from NY to NOT DO IT, yet these morons in Bogars crew blew the whistle anyway, then they called him down, so the Patriots had to waste a challenge.

And again, if you are down to one challenge and you win, you should get another one, the moronic, idiotic rule that in order to get a third you have to win both is just that, moronic.

On the fourth down incomplete pass in the end zone; the defender reached OVER Edelman and knocked the ball out, but nope, no call, ballgame.

The Chiefs deserved to win that game about as much as the man on the moon, Reid looked like he **** his pants at the end "wait, WHAT; we won??"...……………..

What a effing joke this league is.

We'll see what happens come playoff time...……………….we'll see how invincible the Ravens are.

 

[Combat]

Refs in the Pats game should not be allowed to ref another game, it as beyond horrendous and cost them a chance to win the game. If the TD is called correctly, they kick a FG to tie to go into overtime. NO question on that. It is not even a debatable issue. Now, again, taking that away, they missed calls on the last drive that are inexcusable. The Chiefs got away with murder in the secondary.

All of this is coming from NOT a Pats fan, I just don't like to see this kind of crap happen, its not fair when it happens either way. Ridiculous that this kind of stuff is happening with blatant video evidence. I am not a fan of NY interfering in every play, but in this game, those calls were not judgement calls, they were clear as day.

TD

I agree that the refs were awful but bad calls are also part of the game. The Rams got one of the worst that I have ever seen in the Steelers game when a pass that went about 20 yards downfield was picked up on a hop by the defense and ruled a fumble returned for a TD. Game deciding call. That was clear as day not a fumble. It happens. You can't fire all the refs. Sometimes calls go your way and sometimes they don't. There is no conspiracy. Particularly not against the Pats who tend to get their share of favorable calls. I will not be shedding any salty tears over their plight. Beside they play Cincy next week. They will go into the playoffs in basically the same situation as last year. They get a home game against some weak AFC team they should beat and then they will have to go on the road and play the Ravens like they did with the Chiefs last year. I don't think the Pats are the same team from last year either on O or D. And the Ravens are as good or better than the Chiefs but anything is possible. Belichick gives them a chance against most anyone.

 

[lancer]

The Ravens are having a great season but it should be noted that their offense is a one-trick pony named Jackson. Off-day, injury, or a defense that bottles him up, and the Ravens are toast. It is a bubble that can burst in the playoffs, or a bubble that carries through to the SB. We shall see. -- Al

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I watched the 2nd half of the Patriots - KC game. From near the end of the 3rd Q into the first half of the 4th Q was the worst series of bad calls I have ever seen at any time in any sport. What makes it even worse is that most of the bad calls had an effect on the outcome of the game. What a joke. With all the money the NFL makes you would think they could better train the refs and come up with better rules.

Terry

 

[Warrior]

I agree that the refs were awful but bad calls are also part of the game.

They were beyond awful.

They were criminally inept.

Tell me the last time horrible officiating cost a team not one, not two, but three Touchdowns.

I'll hang up and listen.

They all should be fired.

AND IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH A CONSPIRACY VS NEW ENGLAND.

And if all of those calls had gone against the Chiefs and New England had won, people would be screaming from the rooftops about how the fix is in and they'd be storming the NFL office in NY with pitchforks and torches.

The problem is they are part time lizzards who need seeing eye dogs, they need to get rid of all these over the hill stiffs like Bogars and hire younger officials.

This league has a license to print money and they are THE only league with part time officials.

It's pathetic.

And instead of getting a stiff team like the Texans, now in all likelihood they'll play the Chiefs and instead of the Ravens getting the Chiefs, they'll get the stiff Texans, so that nonsense yesterday has a trickle down effect.

All I can hope is they beat the Chiefs like they should have yesterday were it not for inept officiating and go into Baltimore and do what they did in KC last year.

If not, whatever...……………………..and once Brady and Belichick retire and step away from the sport, so will I as a fan.

The officiating gets worse by the week, I do not recall nonsense like this 5, 10 or 20 years ago, the more technology they use, the worse it gets.

Just a complete tire fire and an embarrassment to the sport.

 

[tdubel]

I agree that the refs were awful but bad calls are also part of the game. The Rams got one of the worst that I have ever seen in the Steelers game when a pass that went about 20 yards downfield was picked up on a hop by the defense and ruled a fumble returned for a TD. Game deciding call. That was clear as day not a fumble. It happens. You can't fire all the refs. Sometimes calls go your way and sometimes they don't. There is no conspiracy. Particularly not against the Pats who tend to get their share of favorable calls. I will not be shedding any salty tears over their plight. Beside they play Cincy next week. They will go into the playoffs in basically the same situation as last year. They get a home game against some weak AFC team they should beat and then they will have to go on the road and play the Ravens like they did with the Chiefs last year. I don't think the Pats are the same team from last year either on O or D. And the Ravens are as good or better than the Chiefs but anything is possible. Belichick gives them a chance against most anyone.

Doug,
On a general note I agree about bad calls. However, in this case, No and I am not a Pats fan. The Calls directly changed the outcome of the game and at best, put the outcome in doubt. That just cannot happen anymore in today's game, it is beyond ridiculous and it is incompetent.

Regarding comparing this game to the Steelers/Rams, no I cannot agree on that one having watched the whole game. The Rams offense was not going to do anything that day, it was just that kind of game. The only points scored by the Rams were a Defensive TD that was a result of the snap going over the QB's head (The defense literally had nothing to do with it) and a Safety which the D earned.

I go back to the missed Pass Interference in the playoffs last year that the Rams benefitted from. Again, that directly changed the outcome of the game and that was not right. There really is no way around it and again, I am not a Pats fan, Saints fan or a Rams fan. As a football fan, it is just egregious.

IN the past, there are very few bad calls where it didn't balance out, in the last few years, not so much and it is because of instant replay tech. WE now as fans can see all the missed calls clearly whereas in the past it was a whole lot harder and therefore it didn't matter as much b/c WE didn't know the truth. Now in these games, we do.

Again, I don't want NY involved in every play, but I think we are going to have to see more and more of it b/c of the critical errors that are occurring on game defining plays (Missed TD's, Forward Pass/Fumbles, Critical 3rd and 4th downs, etc.) This year has been FAR and above an utter failure for NFL refs. If this were a Fortune 500 Company and they were middle management, there would be a wholesale REORGANIZATION and they would all be out of jobs at this point in the year due to incompetence and poor job performance. Unfortunately, they are held to the "Goodell" standard and all are in place with full job security!

TD

 

[Combat]

They were beyond awful.

They were criminally inept.

Tell me the last time horrible officiating cost a team not one, not two, but three Touchdowns.

I'll hang up and listen.

They all should be fired.

AND IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH A CONSPIRACY VS NEW ENGLAND.

And if all of those calls had gone against the Chiefs and New England had won, people would be screaming from the rooftops about how the fix is in and they'd be storming the NFL office in NY with pitchforks and torches.

The problem is they are part time lizzards who need seeing eye dogs, they need to get rid of all these over the hill stiffs like Bogars and hire younger officials.

This league has a license to print money and they are THE only league with part time officials.

It's pathetic.

And instead of getting a stiff team like the Texans, now in all likelihood they'll play the Chiefs and instead of the Ravens getting the Chiefs, they'll get the stiff Texans, so that nonsense yesterday has a trickle down effect.

All I can hope is they beat the Chiefs like they should have yesterday were it not for inept officiating and go into Baltimore and do what they did in KC last year.

If not, whatever...……………………..and once Brady and Belichick retire and step away from the sport, so will I as a fan.

The officiating gets worse by the week, I do not recall nonsense like this 5, 10 or 20 years ago, the more technology they use, the worse it gets.

Just a complete tire fire and an embarrassment to the sport.

I agree that the refs have been unusually bad this season but every team gets its share of bad calls. Homers always complain about the refs. And it is always the worst call in history etc. I do it, you it, others here do it. Clay Matthews was fined for complaining and stuck to his guns that the refs this year have been awful. What exactly should the NFL do near the end of the season? Fire them all before the playoffs? I bet the refs have contracts that make that near impossible even if it was appropriate. And who would replace them? Replay the game? Or invent a time machine in which Terrible Tom is once again Tom Terrific. Lots of these calls are subjective to begin with, what is a catch, pass interference, holding, roughing the passer. Refs can call those on any play or not and influence the outcome like they did on that bogus holding call against the Rams in the SB. It's a done deal. Belichick has the right philosophy. On to Cincy to play the hapless Div. II Bengals.

 

[Combat]

Doug,
On a general note I agree about bad calls. However, in this case, No and I am not a Pats fan. The Calls directly changed the outcome of the game and at best, put the outcome in doubt. That just cannot happen anymore in today's game, it is beyond ridiculous and it is incompetent.

Regarding comparing this game to the Steelers/Rams, no I cannot agree on that one having watched the whole game. The Rams offense was not going to do anything that day, it was just that kind of game. The only points scored by the Rams were a Defensive TD that was a result of the snap going over the QB's head (The defense literally had nothing to do with it) and a Safety which the D earned.

I go back to the missed Pass Interference in the playoffs last year that the Rams benefitted from. Again, that directly changed the outcome of the game and that was not right. There really is no way around it and again, I am not a Pats fan, Saints fan or a Rams fan. As a football fan, it is just egregious.

IN the past, there are very few bad calls where it didn't balance out, in the last few years, not so much and it is because of instant replay tech. WE now as fans can see all the missed calls clearly whereas in the past it was a whole lot harder and therefore it didn't matter as much b/c WE didn't know the truth. Now in these games, we do.

Again, I don't want NY involved in every play, but I think we are going to have to see more and more of it b/c of the critical errors that are occurring on game defining plays (Missed TD's, Forward Pass/Fumbles, Critical 3rd and 4th downs, etc.) This year has been FAR and above an utter failure for NFL refs. If this were a Fortune 500 Company and they were middle management, there would be a wholesale REORGANIZATION and they would all be out of jobs at this point in the year due to incompetence and poor job performance. Unfortunately, they are held to the "Goodell" standard and all are in place with full job security!

TD

I agree there were bad calls in the Pats game. And it seems like more than usual during this season. Some of that has to do with the heightened expectation that video review will always get it right. That's unreasonable in some instances as many football calls are subjective. Calls are also made on the field in real time. Mistakes are made. One possible improvement would be to do away with the presumption that the call on the field is correct. The classic example is a fumble. Let's say the ref doesn't believe there is a fumble but allows the play to continue so that it can be reviewed. Because this non-call creates a presumption of a fumble then the video evidence must be conclusive to show no fumble and overturn it. If it is inconclusive, then the outcome has been determined by default against the opinion of the ref on the field. It's a ridiculous outcome. The ref should make the call they believe is appropriate on the field and the video review should be used without any presumption. If it appears to show a fumble, then call it a fumble. If not, then don't.

I don't exactly follow your claim, however, that a bad call in the Rams-Steelers game that resulted in a defensive TD for the Steelers was not a game deciding call in a game that ended 17-12 in the way that your other examples are game deciding calls. By my math if you subtract seven points from the Steelers, that results in a Rams win regardless of how the Rams scored their points. The Steelers only scored ten offensive points in that game. I'm not suggesting, however, that the refs be fired or that the game be replayed. The result is the result.

 

[Panzer ace]

Article in today’s Washington Post about the Patriots, https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...0927b6-19ee-11ea-b4c1-fd0d91b60d9e_story.html

I don’t know what happened to the Seahawks last night but they shot themselves in the foot. I’m sure Jason is beyond happy; my son sure was.

Brad:

You are right, I am beyond happy!

The Niners won in historical comeback fashion. The Saints scored on their first four possessions and since 2000 teams were 44-0 when that happened. Jimmy G. proved that he can run a game winning drive with less than a minute on the clock. Last but not least Kittle's catch and run to set-up the game winning field goal was amazing!!!!

And after all that, Seattle lost too!!!!

-Jason

 

[Warrior]

One possible improvement would be to do away with the presumption that the call on the field is correct. The classic example is a fumble. Let's say the ref doesn't believe there is a fumble but allows the play to continue so that it can be reviewed. Because this non-call creates a presumption of a fumble then the video evidence must be conclusive to show no fumble and overturn it. If it is inconclusive, then the outcome has been determined by default against the opinion of the ref on the field. It's a ridiculous outcome. The ref should make the call they believe is appropriate on the field and the video review should be used without any presumption. If it appears to show a fumble, then call it a fumble. If not, then don't.

This.

Times 1,000.

In the Patriots game yesterday, Kelce fumbled, Gilmore scooped and scored.

So as with your example; let the play play out. Once it's over, go back and look at it; if it's a fumble, then it's a turnover and a defensive TD; if it's not a fumble, spot the ball back to where it was and let the Chiefs continue the drive.

By blowing the play dead, you're ruled out any chance that the play continues and if you screwed up, you can't undo a premature whistle, the play is dead.

Same on the Harry play; IF YOU ARE NOT SURE ( and watch the replay, the side judge is about to throw his hands up for a TD, when out of nowhere the back judge runs over and overrules him, ball on the 3. What? That is idiotic.

What's done is done; beat the Bungles, the Bills and the Doofins, finish 13-3 with the #2 seed and go from there.

Whether it's in Baltimore or at home, you're going to have to beat them regardless, it will be all the more sweeter to do it there, just like in KC last year, that was tremendous...….as the great Bill Parcells says, just make the tournament and go from there...………….

 

[tdubel]

I agree there were bad calls in the Pats game. And it seems like more than usual during this season. Some of that has to do with the heightened expectation that video review will always get it right. That's unreasonable in some instances as many football calls are subjective. Calls are also made on the field in real time. Mistakes are made. One possible improvement would be to do away with the presumption that the call on the field is correct. The classic example is a fumble. Let's say the ref doesn't believe there is a fumble but allows the play to continue so that it can be reviewed. Because this non-call creates a presumption of a fumble then the video evidence must be conclusive to show no fumble and overturn it. If it is inconclusive, then the outcome has been determined by default against the opinion of the ref on the field. It's a ridiculous outcome. The ref should make the call they believe is appropriate on the field and the video review should be used without any presumption. If it appears to show a fumble, then call it a fumble. If not, then don't.

I don't exactly follow your claim, however, that a bad call in the Rams-Steelers game that resulted in a defensive TD for the Steelers was not a game deciding call in a game that ended 17-12 in the way that your other examples are game deciding calls. By my math if you subtract seven points from the Steelers, that results in a Rams win regardless of how the Rams scored their points. The Steelers only scored ten offensive points in that game. I'm not suggesting, however, that the refs be fired or that the game be replayed. The result is the result.

I think the call you are talking about in the steelers game was subjective, the pats game they were not subjective at all they were just incompetent and flagrant and changed the game

In the steelers game the rams were not going to win that day no matter what they just played bad

 

[Combat]

I think the call you are talking about in the steelers game was subjective, the pats game they were not subjective at all they were just incompetent and flagrant and changed the game

In the steelers game the rams were not going to win that day no matter what they just played bad

Neither the Rams nor Steelers played particularly well. It's impossible to know who would have won that game if that call goes another way. It was a game deciding call because the game was decided by only 5 points. The only difference is that it went in favor of your team. That's ok. I don't begrudge homers pulling for their team but you can't distinguish that from the Pats game. My point was that such calls happen. Sometimes they go your way and sometimes not. I would be more concerned that the Pats just got caught once again cheating by filming the sidelines during the Cleveland and Cincy game. Incredible. Belichick can't help himself. Of course, he knows nothing about it. A film crew from the team is caught red handed but Belichick doesn't look at their film. Good grief. Time to bring the hammer down.

 

[zblang]

To add more to the pats game. Kc was charged with an illegal hands to the face and was given a 5 yard penalty..... that’s a TEN yard penalty!!! How did 5 refs miss that one????