N.F.L. Season 2018-19 (2 Viewers)

Terrific game and congrats to George and Zach and our resident swami Jason.

I didn’t think the refs were that bad except for that ridiculous roughing the passer call where the defender brushed Brady’s helmet.

My complaint and it doesn’t have to do with this game necessarily is how is it fair by the flip of a coin that the Chiefs never got to touch the ball in overtime. The other team should be given an opportunity to at least score a touchdown.
 
tdubel said:
Congrats to the Pats, it was a great game.

My only comment and it is the same as it has been all year - Refs are awful across the board, it is just ridiculous.

TD
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the officiating is so bad now...
that the broadcasting networks...
all have their own "in house retired referee"...
occasionally in the booth with the announcers...
explaining and deciphering the call on the field for us...

and it's not uncommon that he disagrees with the on field crew...
and/or the camera review crews...

on pass interference...
since it's not reviewable...
and it's often a game changing call...
I think both teams should be able to challenge the call...
the naked eye is just not working good enough...

it's just too big a penalty to ignore...
an erroneous call should not decide a game...
and it happens way too often...
waaaaaaay too often!

when you have nothing to lose...
just throw a hail Mary...
and you'll probably get a call in your favor...

or the receiver gets mugged...
and there is no call...

it's just not right...

it's destroying the integrity of the game...
 
I’m a pats fan and fully agree on the roughing the passer. Not even sure he touched his helmet
 
What a game, what a team, what a quarterback.


Anyone who does not rate Brady as the GOAT has to have their head examined. Tonight he was throwing to the corpse of Gronk, two third tier receivers in Hogan and Dorsett and Edelman, who is money. The rest are mediocre at best, yet he threw for 350 yards and shredded the Chefs defense, how many 3rd and 9, 3rd and 10 throws did he make on those final three drives?

Just unbelievable.

Been a Patriots fan and a die hard one at that since the age of 8 when my Dad took me to my first game at Fenway park in 1968. They were a laughing stock of a franchise for the better part of 40 years, since they teamed Belichick with Brady, they've been to 13 AFCCG'S, NINE Super Bowls, three in a row, five of the last six.

Good Christ.

The game was epic and not for nothing, but the refs were once again brutal, the Patriots receivers were mugged all game long, no calls, yet the Chefs had the go ahead score aided by THREE horrendous DPI's...……………..refball at it's finest.

Congrats to Doug and his Rams, a match up of the 2002 Super Bowl.

And honest to Christ, all I ask is there aren't 5,000 stories about how the 2002 Patriots cheated their way to a Super Bowl win, but sure as ****, they'll be out there...…………..whatever, it's on to the Super Bowl...…………….AGAIN.
 
"Matt Ryan doesn't see the ball in 2016.
Patrick Mahomes doesn't see the ball in 2018.

We really going to stick with this OT system for the playoffs? Who wins a coin toss?"

Wow, the whining and *****ing has already started; guaranteed the OT rules will be changed next year as afterall, that's twice the Patriots benefited from the rules...…………….

It just never ends.
 
The NFL OT rules are really strange. The commentator in the Rams game indicated they were somehow different than the regular season and that they would play the entire 15 minute quarter. He apparently didn't know what he was talking about. With the modern offenses, the odds are about 70 percent that the team that wins the toss will score. Not even giving the opponent a chance to touch the ball is an anticlimactic end. Brady and the Pats were stone cold on third down. Brady throws nearly 50 passes against the team with the most sacks and hardly gets touched all night long. I don't understand why any team that plays the Pats doesn't load the box and jam the receivers instead of letting them run free. It's the same script week to week. Brady is throwing quick pass to wide open slot receivers. Pitch and catch. The defense eventually gets worn down and frustrated and it's game over. They are a real machine. The greatest team in NFL history.
 
On the non-PI call in the Saints game, I agree it was a bad call. But the ball from Brees was very late and well behind the receiver. There is no way he catches it. And Brees had a guy wide open in the end zone. So the refs could have bailed them out and given them the game after a terrible throw or let them play it out. I can understand all the angst but at the end of the day the Saints had that game and let it get away from them. Up 13 points at one point in that environment, they should have put it away. Brees makes the right decision there or Payton makes some better play calls on that final sequence and they win the game.
 
There is one question that I can't seem to get an answer. ^&confuse

After watching Brady march down the field SO MANY times during the regulation time, why in God's name did KC defer on the O.T. kick off and put the ball into the hands of the G.O.A.T?


Didn't anyone on the KC staff recall S.B. 51 against Atlanta and what the Pats did on that final drive?

---LaRRY
 
Combat said:
On the non-PI call in the Saints game, I agree it was a bad call. But the ball from Brees was very late and well behind the receiver. There is no way he catches it. And Brees had a guy wide open in the end zone. So the refs could have bailed them out and given them the game after a terrible throw or let them play it out. I can understand all the angst but at the end of the day the Saints had that game and let it get away from them. Up 13 points at one point in that environment, they should have put it away. Brees makes the right decision there or Payton makes some better play calls on that final sequence and they win the game.
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On that play, if the cornerback plays the ball, it's an easy INT, probably a PIC 6.

The Saints looked the worst of all the teams who had a bye, they were lucky to escape Folsie and the Iggles.

After that early INT, they needed to punch it in, how many times does settling for field goals come back to haunt you?
 
Combat said:
The NFL OT rules are really strange. The commentator in the Rams game indicated they were somehow different than the regular season and that they would play the entire 15 minute quarter. He apparently didn't know what he was talking about. With the modern offenses, the odds are about 70 percent that the team that wins the toss will score. Not even giving the opponent a chance to touch the ball is an anticlimactic end. Brady and the Pats were stone cold on third down. Brady throws nearly 50 passes against the team with the most sacks and hardly gets touched all night long. I don't understand why any team that plays the Pats doesn't load the box and jam the receivers instead of letting them run free. It's the same script week to week. Brady is throwing quick pass to wide open slot receivers. Pitch and catch. The defense eventually gets worn down and frustrated and it's game over. They are a real machine. The greatest team in NFL history.
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They changed the OT rule several years ago, used to be whoever scored first would win, now it's if whoever gets the ball first scores a TD, game over, if they kick a file goal, the other team gets the ball to either tie or win it. The game also ends on a defensive TD as well.


Maybe they should adopt the college OT rule.

The Patriots offensive line has been tremendous all playoffs long; no false starts or holds last night, zero sacks in two games.

Hogan and White made two unbelievable catches, Hogan's while he was getting mugged, Dorsett made a great catch in the end zone while also getting mugged, Gronk made several great catches too, they all came up huge.

The Patriots are back to back teams of the decade, 2000's and 2010's, it's on to the Super Bowl...………….

Wow.
 
I don’t think they necessarily need to go to the college rule. I just think any overtime game, whether regular season or playoffs, should afford the other team the opportunity to score. In this case, if the Chiefs couldn’t score a TD after the Patriots scored, then that’s the end of the game. This hasn’t been the way the NFL has traditionally decided overtime games but maybe it’s time to consider a change.
 
Warrior said:
They changed the OT rule several years ago, used to be whoever scored first would win, now it's if whoever gets the ball first scores a TD, game over, if they kick a file goal, the other team gets the ball to either tie or win it. The game also ends on a defensive TD as well.


Maybe they should adopt the college OT rule.

The Patriots offensive line has been tremendous all playoffs long; no false starts or holds last night, zero sacks in two games.

Hogan and White made two unbelievable catches, Hogan's while he was getting mugged, Dorsett made a great catch in the end zone while also getting mugged, Gronk made several great catches too, they all came up huge.

The Patriots are back to back teams of the decade, 2000's and 2010's, it's on to the Super Bowl...………….

Wow.
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I like the college OT rules. But if they played with the college rules, the game might never end given how dominate the NFL offenses are these days. I would just let them play a ten minute quarter and whoever was ahead at the end is the winner. It would bring clock management back as a factor in OT. The Pats have such a great system it maximizes the skills of every player on the team. No one can solve it. Brady gets rid of the ball so quickly they can't touch him. The D gets frustrated and tired. It doesn't appear very complex throwing to the slot receiver under the zone but no D coordinator appears to be able to do anything to counter it.
 
The worst thing about the bad calls in both games is that the NFL will now overreact to all of the media crying. They'll make everything reviewable and games will take 6 hours to play. If you have to watch a play for 10 minutes like the Edleman play last night, then it isn't obvious and should not be overturned. I wish they would just get rid of all replay. It's a game. It's really not that important.
 
When I was out today I heard Carl Banks on his weekly spot on WFAN in NY and he doesn’t want to see the OT rules changed; he said it’s incumbent on the defense to stop the team that first gets the ball in OT and there’s something to be said for that. After all, the Rams stopped the Saints in OT.
 
jrsteel said:
The worst thing about the bad calls in both games is that the NFL will now overreact to all of the media crying. They'll make everything reviewable and games will take 6 hours to play. If you have to watch a play for 10 minutes like the Edleman play last night, then it isn't obvious and should not be overturned. I wish they would just get rid of all replay. It's a game. It's really not that important.
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Normally, I would agree, but when it changes the outcome of the game it might be worth it, case in point in both games yesterday:

A. Pass Interference Call - if that is called, Saints win, end of story. Right or wrong it changed the outcome of the game.

B. Defensive Offsides - Chiefs on interception for lining up in neutral zone, if that plays stands, Chiefs win. NOW, I am not saying he was not offsides as he was lined up wrong, but that being said - it should have been reviewed b/c it was a game changing play. Again, I am not disputing this one, but to be sure on something like that, I like a review.

IT is too easy to get some of these right and both above are egregious examples, one was called right and changed the game, the other was not called and changed the game.

TD
 
pass interference should be challengeable...
I don't care how long it takes...
I want a straight game...
 
"Reid also took issue with the offsides call on Dee Ford that negated an interception that likely would have won the game for the Chiefs. The Chiefs coach acknowledged Ford was offsides but said it’s a penalty rarely called in that situation.

“It wasn’t but by a few inches, but I thought it was legitimate,’’ Reid said, via Adam Teicher of ESPN. “. . .Normally, you’re warned, and the coach is warned if somebody is doing that before they throw it in a game of that magnitude. But they did. He didn’t waste any time doing it. He didn’t wait until the interception to throw it. He had his hand on the flag right from the get-go.’’

Is he ****ting me or what? Offsides is a penalty rarely called in that situation?

And it wasn't close, it wasn't a few inches, his whole hand and half of his arm was lined up offsides, the referee threw the flag immediately, no question.

A penalty is a penalty, you don't let an offsides go or a false start; unless it's the Chargers and it goes against Pittsburg...………………..:wink2:
 
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