Nfl 2014 (2 Viewers)

[Warrior]

The ongoing shakedown by NFL owners of tax payers is shameful. I don't believe anything like that is going on with the Rams, but the owners use these moves or threats to move to leverage tax breaks and incentives in a sport that makes billions in profits. Instead they put it on the back of average citizens to pay for their stadiums. The politicians line up to accomodate them. The Rams should never have moved from LA in the first place. They had a crazy woman take over the team when her husband died. Otherwise it doesn't happen. They should move the Cards back to St. Louis and refund all the money to the tax payers in AZ who were stuck with an enoromous bill for that stadium.

Yes it is, it's beyond shameful. The owners are all multi millionaires, Kraft has to move piles of money out of the way to get to his bathroom, yet he tried to hold Massachusetts hostage and threatened to move the Patriots to Connecticut.

Go ahead Bob, the team would still be in New England and they're called the NEW ENGLAND Patriots, so go right ahead. He wanted part of the stadium to be publicly funded, the state said no, then caved when he broke ground in Connecticut.

They paid for the road system in and around the stadium, which ran into quite a bit of money. Kraft then bought the race track next to the stadium and built "Patriot Place" there basically with the money he saved by not doing the roads over, there is a huge hotel there, plus shopping areas, restaurants, a massive movie theatre complex, it's a destination spot now, fans flock there on weekends, the hotel is where folks stay for the weekend of games, he's made a fortune off of the place.

Modell tried to hold Cleveland hostage and get a new stadium built on their dime; they told him to pound sand, so he moved the team to Baltimore, then Cleveland bent over, built a new stadium and got an expansion franchise to replace the Browns.

Cleveland got screwed seven ways to Sunday on that deal; lost a two time Super Bowl winner and gained a tomato can of a franchise that has made the playoffs once.................

 

[Warrior]

I can't imagine sitting for 3-4 hours in 20 degree weather and watching a game...much less playing in one...it just doesn't sound like fun to me...I prefer domes as I think the inclement weather takes away from the integrity of the skill of the players...

too hot causes dehydration...fatigue...cramps...etc...

too wet causes traction and fumbles...

too cold causes too much for me to even comprehend...I don't even understand how Northerners function daily in this type of weather...

there was actually a fatality of a fan in the frigid weather of the Ice Bowl...

I prefer to see the players play in ideal peak weather conditions...domes for me...

you have to be a hardcore fan to watch a game in below freezing temperatures...

Sorry Mike, I can't go along with this line of thinking; football was meant to be played outdoors, whatever the elements are, so be it. The Packers, Vikings, Bears, Patriots, etc, etc have a huge home field advantage when warm weather teams play them in December/January, bring on the cold.

Today as I went outside, it didn't feel that bad at all. Got in my jeep and the temperature read 5 degrees. No wind, so as long as the sun is out, it's really not that bad. Lived here all my life, so I am used to the cold, no big deal.

On the flip side, don't know how you function in Texas in July and August; I told you about the time I was in Horseshoe Bay Texas in May, when I got off the plane, it felt like I was a mile from the sun, it was unbearable, the heat is one thing, the humidity knocks the crap out of you. I can deal with the cold, can't deal with heat and humidity, it's too much.

Try doing a show in Virginia in July, did one two years ago, the temperature was 102 with high humidity; when I was done unloading the van, I looked like I was jumping rope in the attic, drenched in sweat.

No thanks to that.

 

[mikemiller1955]

That is what is called football weather. That is how legends are born. Everybody remembers the Ice Bowl and the frigid temperatures in which the Bears played in 1985 when they beat the Giants and the Rams. After all, this is the Black and Blue Division. The Vikings D from the 70s didn't get their reputation from playing indoors but outdoors. 21 should be playable, positively balmy. GB fans love this stuff. That's part of the advantage they have. Moreover, it's at 1pm EST on Sunday so shouldn't be a problem. I remember when the Giants played there on their way the Super Bowl a few years ago. The game was at night. Now, that was cold.

That is why I hate when the SB is played in neutral sites. It should be played in cold weather, Bear weather :wink2:

yea...well the Bears and their fans...will be sitting at home in front of the fireplace with the heater on watching the game just like me...

it's 34 degrees here today...which is bitter cold to us down here...I have a lot of friends that live up North that I speak to regularly...and they say while it's not so bad all the time...it's a harsh reality when the weather turns so cold...it alters their life...their work...their daily routine...

do you go to these outdoor games when it gets this cold...I couldn't do it...it just wouldn't be fun for me...

 

[jazzeum]

I understand it as not being fun for you but you're from the Southwest. That's the difference. Fans from cities like Minneapolis or Green Bay are used to this weather, as are the players. That's where they have the advantage. Football is a cold weather sport. Again, it's an afternoon game, presumably with the sun out, and it will be, according to Combat, in 21. That is eminently playable, not to mention that the players not playing have those heated benches.

You guys are a bunch of softies :rolleyes2:

 

[Combat]

That is what is called football weather. That is how legends are born. Everybody remembers the Ice Bowl and the frigid temperatures in which the Bears played in 1985 when they beat the Giants and the Rams. After all, this is the Black and Blue Division. The Vikings D from the 70s didn't get their reputation from playing indoors but outdoors. 21 should be playable, positively balmy. GB fans love this stuff. That's part of the advantage they have. Moreover, it's at 1pm EST on Sunday so shouldn't be a problem. I remember when the Giants played there on their way the Super Bowl a few years ago. The game was at night. Now, that was cold.

That is why I hate when the SB is played in neutral sites. It should be played in cold weather, Bear weather :wink2:

I like to watch the games played in inclement weather but only from my living room with a cup of hot chocolate. I went to an outdoor hockey game a couple years ago and could barely stand up when it ended. And that was at about 30 degrees. Can't imagine what it would be like in Green Bay where 21 feels like -21.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Sorry Mike, I can't go along with this line of thinking; football was meant to be played outdoors, whatever the elements are, so be it. The Packers, Vikings, Bears, Patriots, etc, etc have a huge home field advantage when warm weather teams play them in December/January, bring on the cold.

Today as I went outside, it didn't feel that bad at all. Got in my jeep and the temperature read 5 degrees. No wind, so as long as the sun is out, it's really not that bad. Lived here all my life, so I am used to the cold, no big deal.

On the flip side, don't know how you function in Texas in July and August; I told you about the time I was in Horseshoe Bay Texas in May, when I got off the plane, it felt like I was a mile from the sun, it was unbearable, the heat is one thing, the humidity knocks the crap out of you. I can deal with the cold, can't deal with heat and humidity, it's too much.

Try doing a show in Virginia in July, did one two years ago, the temperature was 102 with high humidity; when I was done unloading the van, I looked like I was jumping rope in the attic, drenched in sweat.

No thanks to that.

I understand the advantage of a climate you're accustomed to...Denver's high altitude is a great example...

I just feel the quality of the skills are diminished in rain...cold...heat...frozen ground...etc...

I wouldn't have sat through the Fog Bowl if you had given me 50 yard line tickets...

I prefer not to see everyone play to the top of their ability because of adverse weather...

do you attend outdoor games in this type of weather...are you going to see NE this week?

 

[mikemiller1955]

I understand it as not being fun for you but you're from the Southwest. That's the difference. Fans from cities like Minneapolis or Green Bay are used to this weather, as are the players. That's where they have the advantage. Football is a cold weather sport. Again, it's an afternoon game, presumably with the sun out, and it will be, according to Combat, in 21. That is eminently playable, not to mention that the players not playing have those heated benches.

You guys are a bunch of softies :rolleyes2:

weather works both ways...you probably wouldn't enjoy a summer down here...

so again...

Doug says he enjoys the bad weather games from the comfort of his living room...do you go and sit through these 20 degree games live?

 

[mikemiller1955]

I like to watch the games played in inclement weather but only from my living room with a cup of hot chocolate. I went to an outdoor hockey game a couple years ago and could barely stand up when it ended. And that was at about 30 degrees. Can't imagine what it would be like in Green Bay where 21 feels like -21.

now I can do that!

 

[jazzeum]

I've been to a couple of games at the Meadowlands when it was cold, in the 20s I think. Had a good time. It's like anything else -- fixating on it won't make it fun.

Of course, given my druthers between a day in the sun at Laguna Beach or a stadium that is 20 and below, that would be an easy choice.

 

[mikemiller1955]

I've been to a couple of games at the Meadowlands when it was cold, in the 20s I think. Had a good time. It's like anything else -- fixating on it won't make it fun.

Of course, given my druthers between a day in the sun at Laguna Beach or a stadium that is 20 and below, that would be an easy choice.

well...I appreciate the honesty...

 

[jazzeum]

Everybody thinks the Seattle Carolina game is a gimme and Seattle will blow them out. They might but consider that in Seattle's last regular season game, the Rams were beating them 6-0 at half time. Moreover, since 2012, the Panthers have played the Seahawks three times. Although each game resulted in a Seattle win, each game has been close:

2012 - Seattle 16, Carolina 12
2013 - Seattle 12, Carolina 7
2014 - Seattle 13, Carolina 9

Although all the games were in Carolina, there is no reason to think it won't be close again. In addition, Carolina is playing with house money; they somehow won that division and a playoff game. They will probably be pretty loose.

I'm not saying Carolina will beat them but I think it will be a tight game.

 

[Warrior]

I understand the advantage of a climate you're accustomed to...Denver's high altitude is a great example...

I just feel the quality of the skills are diminished in rain...cold...heat...frozen ground...etc...

I wouldn't have sat through the Fog Bowl if you had given me 50 yard line tickets...

I prefer not to see everyone play to the top of their ability because of adverse weather...

do you attend outdoor games in this type of weather...are you going to see NE this week?

Mike,
I had seasons tickets for the Patriots from 1984 through 1992, gave them up the year before Parcells arrived, the genius that I am.........:rolleyes2:

We sat through some miserable weather back in those days; I remember a game vs the 49ers, it was about 20 degrees at gametime, but the wind chill brought it down to close to zero, it was pretty miserable, but we survived, had some liquid assistance.

I wouldn't go to the game Saturday if you paid me; there will be a lot of Ravens fans there, they are not pleasant to be around, was at the championship game in 2013 and they were relentless after they won, pack of mouth breathing neanderthals.

My girlfriend emailed me today and said she has four tickets if I want them; no thanks to that. They'll now probably end up in Ravens fans hands...............

 

[jazzeum]

Yes, but imagine when you win. With apologies to Carl Sandberg, they will slink away like the fog, on little cat's feet....

 

[Warrior]

Is that Ryan Sandberg's Dad?...............:wink2:

 

[jazzeum]

Yes, I think he retired to that great poem in the Sky {eek3}

 

[Combat]

Rain is probably as bad or worse than cold. I sat through a USC ND game in a driving rainstorm in the late 80s. The few people who stayed until the end took the plastic garbage bags and tried to put them on but it wasn't much help. They were like survivors from the Titanic.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Rain is probably as bad or worse than cold. I sat through a USC ND game in a driving rainstorm in the late 80s. The few people who stayed until the end took the plastic garbage bags and tried to put them on but it wasn't much help. They were like survivors from the Titanic.

yep...rain really puts a twist to the game...no footing...slippery ball...usually lots of turnovers...anything can happen...

 

[Panzer ace]

I understand it as not being fun for you but you're from the Southwest. That's the difference. Fans from cities like Minneapolis or Green Bay are used to this weather, as are the players. That's where they have the advantage. Football is a cold weather sport. Again, it's an afternoon game, presumably with the sun out, and it will be, according to Combat, in 21. That is eminently playable, not to mention that the players not playing have those heated benches.

You guys are a bunch of softies :rolleyes2:

I was born and raised in Northern California. I am used to perfect weather all the time. ^&grin

 

[jazzeum]

I see that Mueller who was appointed by the NFL (and paid by the NFL as well) has said that Goodell didn't know about the tape of Rice knocking out his now wife. Wow, what a shock. Nope, no conflict of interest there, no appearance of impropriety there :rolleyes2:

 

[Peter Reuss]

weather works both ways...you probably wouldn't enjoy a summer down here...

so again...

Doug says he enjoys the bad weather games from the comfort of his living room...do you go and sit through these 20 degree games live?

Some of us get used to the cold, and I'd argue that 20 degrees is actually quite nice! I went running last weekend when it was 25 and I got way too hot in the sweatshirt I had on.

Also remember that the field at Lambeau is heated, so it's not exactly a frozen tundra. When the Vikes moved their games to the Gopher stadium that was the first thing they added...heat under the field.