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Combat said:
Sounds like there is a good chance the Rams may be moving back to LA. At long last! It's incredible the NFL hasn't had an LA team in a long, long time. Now if they can get them back into those blue and white uniforms. I remember as a kid watching Roman Gabriel, Deacon Jones and the like playing under the California sun.
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Wasn't Pat Haden their QB at some point?
 
I know this won't change the opinion of the Treefrog arm chair quarterback crew...but I kind of hate that it tarnishes the Cowboys win...as I actually think it was indeed pass interference as I understand that penalty...

but...

this is from the NFL VP of officiating Dean Blandino...

and he is pretty high up the ladder...

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The controversial flag thrown -- and then picked up -- for defensive pass interference in the Lions-Cowboys game continues to be a hot talking point on Monday.

After referee Pete Morelli defended the call to overturn the flag on Sunday night, NFL VP of officiating Dean Blandino noted it was "debatable" and would have preferred for the crew to stick with the original call.

"I think it's debatable," Blandino told NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal. "There was a left hand on (Brandon Pettigrew's) shoulder, but does that significantly hinder the receiver's ability to make the catch? Looking at all the angles, we're not convinced it is or it isn't. I think had the flag not been thrown, I think we still would have debated it."

"I certainly could have supported it if they left the flag down. I would have supported the foul. But I think it's a close judgement call where you have two officials with differing opinions on it."

Blandino, who had held his position since Feb. 2013, declared that he wished the entire crew would be certain before announcing anything on the field.


"I'd prefer that they kept it down, having the flag down," Blandino said. "But like I said it's a tight judgement call that could have went either way."

Blandino, according to the report, also said that he would've supported flagging Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant for entering the playing field without a helmet to argue the call. That call, though, is not automatic and referees can use their discretion.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-dean-blandino-pete-morelli-dez-bryant-010515
 
Panzer ace said:
Wasn't Pat Haden their QB at some point?
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Jason, he sure was. Spent his entire pro career with them from 76 thru 81. He was 31-19-1 as a starter, threw 52 career Td's, 60 career Int's, and had a career rating of 69.6, kind of low for a Qb with such a high winning percentage. -- Al
 
mikemiller1955 said:
I know this won't change the opinion of the Treefrog arm chair quarterback crew...but I kind of hate that it tarnishes the Cowboys win...as I actually think it was indeed pass interference as I understand that penalty...

but...

this is from the NFL VP of officiating Dean Blandino...

and he is pretty high up the ladder...

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The controversial flag thrown -- and then picked up -- for defensive pass interference in the Lions-Cowboys game continues to be a hot talking point on Monday.

After referee Pete Morelli defended the call to overturn the flag on Sunday night, NFL VP of officiating Dean Blandino noted it was "debatable" and would have preferred for the crew to stick with the original call.

"I think it's debatable," Blandino told NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal. "There was a left hand on (Brandon Pettigrew's) shoulder, but does that significantly hinder the receiver's ability to make the catch? Looking at all the angles, we're not convinced it is or it isn't. I think had the flag not been thrown, I think we still would have debated it."

"I certainly could have supported it if they left the flag down. I would have supported the foul. But I think it's a close judgement call where you have two officials with differing opinions on it."

Blandino, who had held his position since Feb. 2013, declared that he wished the entire crew would be certain before announcing anything on the field.


"I'd prefer that they kept it down, having the flag down," Blandino said. "But like I said it's a tight judgement call that could have went either way."

Blandino, according to the report, also said that he would've supported flagging Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant for entering the playing field without a helmet to argue the call. That call, though, is not automatic and referees can use their discretion.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-dean-blandino-pete-morelli-dez-bryant-010515
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Agree that they would have been better off letting the flag stand on the field and let the chips fall where they may. As for Dez Bryant, I hate to say it, but that should have been automatic as I believe he actually was on the field a few times during that game when he shouldn't have been. I am all for giving the head coach leeway in this type of call as they are IMO the only person from the sideline who has a legit right to ask and receive an explanation of the calls. That said, I have always thought that any player jumping to the field when clearly not part or going to be part of the next play (hence offensive guy with no helmet on), should be an automatic 15yarder.

On another note, my opinion is that this weekend's games were probably the worst officiated games collectively (one weekend) of all season, every game had some bad calls/no calls in it. Unfortunately, the Cowboys no-call came at the worst time for the Lions.

TD
 
PanzerAce1944 said:
Mike, Not true....I am here and watching the drama unreel with you ! To say that this game was decided by the call reversal leaves a bit to be desired. Everyone is assuming that if Detroit got the call and a fresh set of downs that they would have scored a touch down on this drive .
What if they couldn't get into the end zone any way and had to settle for a field goal ? The final score would have been a 1 point win for Dallas.
I guess myself being a Dallas fan my opinion is biased but taking into account Dallas was down 14 points and after half time the games
momentum definately was in favor of them Boy's, a given fact based upon how much they scored in the 3rd and 4th quarters.
My gut feeling for next week is unless Rogers plays poorly due to injury, Green Bay will most likely win. In the mean time the Dallas
Cowboys get to enjoy another week in the winners circle............... :p
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I don't want to get in a tiff here, but I have to respond and I truly have no skin in this. BUT, regardless of what Detroit would have done/scored, etc, that call changed a great deal regarding TIME LEFT. In theory if Detroit had sustained the drive and gotten Zero or any points, it would have put Dallas in a much more difficult position to try and score, so I think the argument presented above is a flawed one.

TD
 
No one has a time machine so that call is now part of history.

However, if you celebrate when your team wins on a bad call then you can’t complain when they lose because of one down the line.
 
tdubel said:
Agree that they would have been better off letting the flag stand on the field and let the chips fall where they may. As for Dez Bryant, I hate to say it, but that should have been automatic as I believe he actually was on the field a few times during that game when he shouldn't have been. I am all for giving the head coach leeway in this type of call as they are IMO the only person from the sideline who has a legit right to ask and receive an explanation of the calls. That said, I have always thought that any player jumping to the field when clearly not part or going to be part of the next play (hence offensive guy with no helmet on), should be an automatic 15yarder.

On another note, my opinion is that this weekend's games were probably the worst officiated games collectively (one weekend) of all season, every game had some bad calls/no calls in it. Unfortunately, the Cowboys no-call came at the worst time for the Lions.

TD
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Tom....I can't agree more...the officiating in most games is horrible...this one...no better than any other...but if you take out the "human factor" for officiating...and replace it with video cameras that catch everything...there would be a penalty on every play...every single play...hands to the face...holding a jersey...holding...illegal block...etc...

rare is the play when all 22 players are playing in the strict interpretation of the rule book...

as I understand the rule on helmets...this penalty can not be awarded to a player that is not in the game at the time...so sideline is excluded from this penalty...

even then...it is up the discretion of the referee to enforce a penalty to a player that is on the field when he removes his helmet...the terminology was something of the effect..."removed to show up the official"...

as far as Dez walking on the field...that is a penalty...no argument...

I can't understand why these high priced players in the NFL can't get it through their head how much they cost the team when they get overly excited and do dumb things that I know they are told/taught not to do...

and yes...even if they had not scored...it would have changed field position dramatically with a first down...
 
If the flag had never been thrown I would have disagreed but been fine with it.

If they picked up the flag and announced that there was no penalty I would have disagreed but been fine with it.

It's the fact that they announced the penalty, only then to change their minds, that I had the biggest issue with. Once you call it....call it!
 
Blandino was a ref in three Super Bowls and is a hack for the league; he railed on about replacement refs, basically said they blew call after call.

I'm with Pete on this one; just brutal, awful, terrible judgement there.

If the Patriots lost a playoff game like that, I'd be boiling mad; oh wait, they got screwed in the 1976 game vs the Raiders on a phantom roughing the passer call.

Nevermind.
 
Warrior said:
Blandino was a ref in three Super Bowls and is a hack for the league; he railed on about replacement refs, basically said they blew call after call.

I'm with Pete on this one; just brutal, awful, terrible judgement there.

If the Patriots lost a playoff game like that, I'd be boiling mad; oh wait, they got screwed in the 1976 game vs the Raiders on a phantom roughing the passer call.

Nevermind.
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Yea but the refs fixed that mistake with the Brady tuck rule when he clearly fumbled against the Raiders in the playoff game and called it a forward pass{eek3} ...Sammy
 
Peter Reuss said:
If the flag had never been thrown I would have disagreed but been fine with it.

If they picked up the flag and announced that there was no penalty I would have disagreed but been fine with it.

It's the fact that they announced the penalty, only then to change their minds, that I had the biggest issue with. Once you call it....call it!
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Warrior said:
I'm with Pete on this one; just brutal, awful, terrible judgement there.
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wow...for real?

I'm just the opposite...I would rather they confer and make the correct call...people make mistakes...I would much rather have a discussion if you're not sure...

call it or not...

I would much rather have the correct call any day and anytime...twice on Sundays...

you guys must hate instant replay...
 
mikemiller1955 said:
wow...for real?

I'm just the opposite...I would rather they confer and make the correct call...people make mistakes...I would much rather have a discussion if you're not sure...

call it or not...

I would much rather have the correct call any day and anytime...twice on Sundays...

you guys must hate instant replay...
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yea...the more I think about it...the more I say correct the mistake...I don't care if it's announced...I don't care if it's etched in stone...reverse a bad call...if you don't think it's right...review it and fix it...
 
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Warrior said:
Gronkowski gets interfered with, penalty, first and goal on the one.

You CANNOT touch a receiver beyond five yards, period, end of story; what possible reason did they give for picking that flag up.

Must be relatives of Sammy.
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??? Did I miss something??
 
Like the now infamous " Brady Rule ", there will now be the Cowboys' " Invisable Call ", rule. New football doctrine, if your sports' and gamblers' favored team are in danger of losing, have the reps make up something to save their butts, and then football say they are sorry, a week later when nothing can be done about it. Seems football cannot be trusted to ever put an honest product on the field. Michael
 
mikemiller1955 said:
wow...for real?

I'm just the opposite...I would rather they confer and make the correct call...people make mistakes...I would much rather have a discussion if you're not sure...

call it or not...

I would much rather have the correct call any day and anytime...twice on Sundays...

you guys must hate instant replay...
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All the replays show there was a penalty by any number of football definitions. The thrown flag was originally correct and the picked up flag was criminal...Michael
 
tdubel said:
I don't want to get in a tiff here, but I have to respond and I truly have no skin in this. BUT, regardless of what Detroit would have done/scored, etc, that call changed a great deal regarding TIME LEFT. In theory if Detroit had sustained the drive and gotten Zero or any points, it would have put Dallas in a much more difficult position to try and score, so I think the argument presented above is a flawed one.

TD
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TD, All being said if the call went Detroits way there still is no way of knowing what the final actual outcome would actually be. At least
it was not a bad call in the end zone with seconds left to play and the game was actually won by that one play. How many times have we
seen that happen in the last few years ! Hopefully next week goes without controversy. Then you had Vinateri kick the 52 or 53 yard field
goal and the NFL pulls him for a random drug test. Stay tuned to the NFL Channel !
 
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