Shootings In El Paso (1 Viewer)

Extremely well said, Tom. I think better defined and enforced background checks on weapons, banning the sale of high capacity magazines, and limitations of fully automatic weapons and the readily available parts used to convert semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic weapons are all good ideas which would alleviate the problem. While I firmly believe the right to bear arms is the most important right in the bill of rights, as it guarantees the others, I am not adverse to reasonable controls. However, for those of our non-United States brethren, you have to understand, the right to bear arms is not about home defense or hunting, or about being able to fight the U.S. Army or an invading army, its about politicians understanding that if you try to abuse your power and take over the country, as has happened in so many budding democracies throughout the world, most recently Turkey, one of the more than 300,000,000 rifles, in the hands of a society which grows up using them, will end your coup. As was stated in that wonderful comic book movie "V" for Vendetta, "a people should not fear their government, a government should fear its people."

On the other hand I do agree that semi- or fully-automatic assault rifles with high capacity magazines are the single largest contributing factors to these mass shootings. Frankly, while Tom is one of my best friends, and I agree with most of his position on these issues, I respectfully disagree with the old chestnut that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Simply, automatic weapons allow anyone, no matter how physically, mentally, or spiritually infirm, to kill dozens or even hundreds of people without any effort or training beyond pointing the weapon at a crowd and pulling the trigger. Getting these weapons out of the hands of anyone but law enforcement and the military would effectively put an end to mass shootings. That would be extremely difficult in the United States, where so many are already in circulation, but to me, that would be the solution to end these types of mass shootings.

Just my two cents.{sm4}

I agree Louis. The restriction/banning of semi/fully auto firearms, including handguns is a must imo. However is such a ban likely to happen in the US? I did have several semi autos but preferred bolt action rifles for serious hunting, imo there's no real need for semi/fully weapons for hunting if you're a decent shot.
 
Agreed that this has been a great discussion. I have enjoyed reading the gamut of opinions.

While none of it has changed my mind, it has been enlightening none the less.
 
George,

This has been a GREAT discussion and if this is what those pundits call "we need to have a conversation" then they need to join this forum and they will get more than a convo. This discussion has really, really brought out some great wisdom from opinions from all around the world. Ideas, views, opinions, solutions, sadness...reality.

Further, it also allowed for some of the funniest reading I have ever read. George, again the cousin story (in my books) will go down in forum history...oh winthorpe ...as one of the best descriptions I have ever read.

I am also glad the Wadepats of the world did not shut this thread down because this discussion has been enlightening.

John from Texas

Well put John, I totally agree with you.

That's twice I've gotten you going; first the old battleax at the post office who is the last living survivor of Pickett's Charge, now my story about my cousin (who I absolutely love like a brother; if it wasn't for him, I probably never would have gotten back into the hobby, so I owe him a tremendous debt of gratitude, he literally changed my entire life with a phone call)…………………….

Tell you what; comet to the Chicago show and I'll do my very best to get you going for a third time...………….:wink2:………………...
 
While we're at it, we may as well go after two other big killers, alcohol and tobacco. The deaths and disease caused by these two dwarf the firearms problem. -- Al

Alcohol and tobacco purchases are already restricted by age. But anyone can buy sugar - in unlimited quantities!
 
Alcohol and tobacco purchases are already restricted by age. But anyone can buy sugar - in unlimited quantities!

A future news headline "armed trafficker arrested by DEA. 100 kilos of sugar and a water pistol seized. Spokesman claims they were about to set up an illegal jelly bean production factory".
 
All of this talk of El Paso reminds me of something;

Out in the west Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl.
Nighttime would fine me in Rosa's Cantina,
Music would play and Felina would whirl.
Black as the night were the eyes of Felina,
Wicked and evil while casting a spell.
My love was strong for this Mexican maiden,
I was in love, but in vain I could tell.
One night a wild young cowboy came in, wild as the west Texas wind...
Dashing and daring, a drink he was sharing,
With wicked Felina, the girl that I love.
So in anger I challenged his right for the love of this maiden;
Down went his hand for the gun that he wore.
My challenge was answered, in less than a heartbeat
The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor.
Just for a moment I stood there in silence,
Shocked by the foul evil deed I had done.
Many thoughts ran through my mind as I stood there;
I had but one chance and that was to run.
Out through the back door of rose's I ran, out where the horses were tied
I picked a good one; he looked like he could run,
Up on his back and away I did ride.
Just as fast as I could from the west Texas town of El Paso,
Out through the badlands of New Mexico.
Back in El Paso my life would be worthless;
Everything's gone in life nothing is left.
But it's been so long since I've seen the young maiden,
My love is stronger that my fear of death.
I saddled up and away I did go, riding alone in the dark...
Maybe tomorrow a bullet may find me,
Tonight nothing's worse than this pain in my heart.
And as last here I am on the hill overlooking El Paso,
I can see Rosa's Cantina below.
My love is strong and it pushes me onward, down off the hill to Felina I go.
Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys,
Off to my left ride a dozen or more.
Shouting and shooting; I can't let them catch me,
I've got to make it to rose's back door.
Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel
A deep burning pain in my side.
Though I am trying to stay in the saddle,
I'm getting weary, unable to ride.
But my love for
Felina is strong and I writhe where I've fallen.
Though I am weary, I can't stop to rest
I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle,
I feel the bullet go deep in my chest.
From out of nowhere, Felina has found me,
Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side.
Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for,
One little kiss and Felina good-bye.
 
Great voice, very underrated, he was a cowboy/western singer as you pointed out, not a country singer, big difference.

George...

I think you're right about that...

my Dad was Greek as you know...
but country at heart...
used to watch Hee-Haw every week...
I hated that show as a kid...
he listened to Hank Williams (sr. not jr.)...Johnny Cash...Marty Robbins...Burl Ives...Buck Owens...Patsy Cline...
I was into Ozzie and Aerosmith...
but he was also diverse enough to like Nat King Cole...Tony Bennet...Ray Charles...
Marty Robbins was one of the best shows I have ever seen in Vegas...
thanks for letting me reminisce of the memories of my Dad!
 
George...

I think you're right about that...

my Dad was Greek as you know...
but country at heart...
used to watch Hee-Haw every week...
I hated that show as a kid...
he listened to Hank Williams (sr. not jr.)...Johnny Cash...Marty Robbins...Burl Ives...Buck Owens...Patsy Cline...
I was into Ozzie and Aerosmith...
but he was also diverse enough to like Nat King Cole...Tony Bennet...Ray Charles...
Marty Robbins was one of the best shows I have ever seen in Vegas...
thanks for letting me reminisce of the memories of my Dad!

I watched on YouTube a few of Marty's live versions of that song, he sounds just as good live, no auto tune, no dubbing, no lip synching, just an old fashioned story telling singer, a great set of pipes...………………….
 
This is going to be hard to believe, I actually started my ride into work listening to El Paso this morning.
Didn't make the connection to the news I just awoke with the line "wicked Felina the girl that love" in my head.
Then on to Marty's "singing the blues". There is a simplistic honesty about country music from the 50s thru the 70s that an only be matched by the stuff that came out of motown in the 60's. and the rock and roll 50's.

There was a old saying that "The Blues had a baby and they called it rock&roll" well they missed how much country music added to rock&roll.
 
I watched on YouTube a few of Marty's live versions of that song, he sounds just as good live, no auto tune, no dubbing, no lip synching, just an old fashioned story telling singer, a great set of pipes...………………….

George...

Hilarious!

after your post on El Paso...
I watched/listened to Streets of Laredo...
Big Iron on His Hip...
Cowboy in a Continental Suit...
Mr. Shorty...
Red River Valley...
Ballad of the Alamo...
and a few others while I watched the Astros...
 
All,

We could have woke up to another one in Las Vegas no less...google this sicko.

Conor Climo, 23

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All the ingredients are there for this meat head.

Good Lawd.

John from Texas
 
All,

We could have woke up to another one in Las Vegas no less...google this sicko.

Conor Climo, 23

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All the ingredients are there for this meat head.

Good Lawd.

John from Texas

That's quite a get up...…………..I wonder who his tailor is?

The hat doesn't go with the rest of the ensamble though.

That boy's chopping, but no chips are flying.
 
ALL,

This yahoo went into a Walmart in Missouri on Thursday with body armor a loaded rifle to conduct a "social experiment" to see if his rights would be infringed upon:

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Dmitriy Andreychenko, 20 and he recorded himself doing it.

Dude, don't you work?

John from Texas
 
That's quite a get up...…………..I wonder who his tailor is?

The hat doesn't go with the rest of the ensamble though.

That boy's chopping, but no chips are flying.

George,

Don't forget the hunting life to his right. Y'now...just in case.

John from Texas
 
George,

Don't forget the hunting life to his right. Y'now...just in case.

John from Texas

It's a frightening thought that an oxygen thief like this moonbat actually exists.

What's even more frightening is that there are thousands more like him.

He must be a lot of fun at parties.
 
He is really lucky the fireman who was carrying a weapon and stopped him had self control.
 

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