Shootings In El Paso (1 Viewer)

[marco55]

A lot of people panic when confronted with violence so it could escalate into something worse.Real life is lot more scary then training lessons.
Mark

 

[hotel3alpha]

I don't understand why people think arming teachers, private citizens, etc. will stop a determined shooter with a rifle. These citizens have no training and/or fire discipline. Being able to shoot on the range and learning gun safety is not enough to confront a shooter. I worry that the good guys would shoot each other in the confusion.

Yup, El Paso boy was determined and I have heard and read people giving him flak for wearing ear protection. A 7.62 round (or whatever the mil in civilian standards) is LOUD! He knew that and if you watch ole Dayton Boy in the last video (when he was taking out) he was RUNNING into that club. In fact, he did not see his own death coming and completely missed the cops to his right who waiting for him. He did not see it coming and they got him literally steps away from entering that club. Thank god and I believe he too was wearing some sort of facial protection.

They were both determined and your right...until faced with that sort of scenario even the toughest of badasses would turn tail. The only guys I know who are ready for this type of situation are those who are TRAINED in this type of confrontation or combat. Even my fat *** would be a couple of seconds behind. The only difference is I was a military cop who and when that kicks in everything else is automatic, but even then we'll never know. The odds of me being prepared for a mass shooting and armed no less are slim to zero, unless I apply for and get a concealed weapon license. Which I might add I have been considering much more after all the events in recent memory. And like I said I would loathe it, because that would mean I would have to go back on duty.

John from Texas

PS: Marco! Civil War bro? C'mon man!

 

[hotel3alpha]

I don't understand why people think arming teachers, private citizens, etc. will stop a determined shooter with a rifle. These citizens have no training and/or fire discipline. Being able to shoot on the range and learning gun safety is not enough to confront a shooter. I worry that the good guys would shoot each other in the confusion.

Its not enough nor is it their responsibility.

John from Texas

 

[hotel3alpha]

A lot of people panic when confronted with violence so it could escalate into something worse.Real life is lot more scary then training lessons.
Mark

Your absolutely gawd dong right...chaos ensues brother. I snap my neck and duck sometimes when I hear a loud bang/crack...its just automatic.

John from Texas

 

[hotel3alpha]

No argument form me, that high school pizza makes ice hockey rink pizza look like five star dining...………..

Our lunch ladies made the best enchiladas ever. Now they have upgraded. According to my kids the carnitas at school are better than moms AND Chipolte...dayum.

John from Texas

 

[hotel3alpha]

Thanks John, just trying to lighten the mood, looks like it worked...……….:wink2:

As far as the comedy; sometimes the material writes itself...……………….^&grin.

George you need to call your cousin "El Pistolero" one of these days to just rib him. He is my vision of the guy who is the voice on Yacht Rock on XM Radio AND takes it seriously.

I love Yacht Rock by the way.

John from Texas

 

[Warrior]

I don't understand why people think arming teachers, private citizens, etc. will stop a determined shooter with a rifle. These citizens have no training and/or fire discipline. Being able to shoot on the range and learning gun safety is not enough to confront a shooter. I worry that the good guys would shoot each other in the confusion.

Ever see the movie Boogie Nights?

If not, scene;

Man walks into donut shop late at night, starts to order a dozen donuts, as the clerk is packing the donuts, some fruitloop storms in with a pistol "GIVE ME THE MONEY IN THE CASH REGISTER!!'

Clerk begins to put the money into a bag, fruitloop then yells "AND GET THE MONEY OUT OF THE SAFE!!"

As the clerk opens the safe, hobo joe with his hunting hat, jacket and copy of guns and ammo magazine is sitting in a booth drinking a cup of coffee, he slowly pulls a cannon from out under his jacket, points and fires at the fruitloop, hits him and the fruitloop staggers back, then fires at hobo joe, hitting him and his gun goes off accidently, splattering the brains of the clerk all over the customer.

Down goes the clerk, then the fruitloop goes down, then the camera pans to hobo joe and he's dead slumped over the booth table.

The customer is standing there with blood all over him, looks down, sees the bag of cash on the floor, scoops it up and walks out.

So there you go...…………….the citizen with the gun got the robber, the robber got the citizen and the clambrain behind the counter got offed too...…………….but the customer got his donuts for free and a bag of cash...…………………………..

 

[Warrior]

George you need to call your cousin "El Pistolero" one of these days to just rib him. He is my vision of the guy who is the voice on Yacht Rock on XM Radio AND takes it seriously.

I love Yacht Rock by the way.

John from Texas

Love that station; great minds think alike...…………………

He's more like Winthorpe from Trading Places...…………..:wink2:

 

[Warrior]

John from Texas

PS: Marco! Civil War bro? C'mon man!

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no...…..

Guns N Roses...………………..:wink2:

 

[theBaron]

I don't understand why people think arming teachers, private citizens, etc. will stop a determined shooter with a rifle. These citizens have no training and/or fire discipline. Being able to shoot on the range and learning gun safety is not enough to confront a shooter. I worry that the good guys would shoot each other in the confusion.

This is why I offered the clarification above. No one is talking about arming teachers-forcing people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not trained. I heard of no such programs. That is completely different from allowing people who want to carry, who have concealed-carry permits, who have taken training, to arm themselves. And no one says such a thing is a panacea. But it might be better to allow those who have been trained to exercise their Constitutional right, than to forbid everyone from defending themselves as they see fit.

 

[hotel3alpha]

This is why I offered the clarification above. No one is talking about arming teachers-forcing people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not trained. I heard of no such programs. That is completely different from allowing people who want to carry, who have concealed-carry permits, who have taken training, to arm themselves. And no one says such a thing is a panacea. But it might be better to allow those who have been trained to exercise their Constitutional right, than to forbid everyone from defending themselves as they see fit.

Roger that Baron,

John from Texas

 

[hotel3alpha]

Ever see the movie Boogie Nights?

If not, scene;

Man walks into donut shop late at night, starts to order a dozen donuts, as the clerk is packing the donuts, some fruitloop storms in with a pistol "GIVE ME THE MONEY IN THE CASH REGISTER!!'

Clerk begins to put the money into a bag, fruitloop then yells "AND GET THE MONEY OUT OF THE SAFE!!"

As the clerk opens the safe, hobo joe with his hunting hat, jacket and copy of guns and ammo magazine is sitting in a booth drinking a cup of coffee, he slowly pulls a cannon from out under his jacket, points and fires at the fruitloop, hits him and the fruitloop staggers back, then fires at hobo joe, hitting him and his gun goes off accidently, splattering the brains of the clerk all over the customer.

Down goes the clerk, then the fruitloop goes down, then the camera pans to hobo joe and he's dead slumped over the booth table.

The customer is standing there with blood all over him, looks down, sees the bag of cash on the floor, scoops it up and walks out.

So there you go...…………….the citizen with the gun got the robber, the robber got the citizen and the clambrain behind the counter got offed too...…………….but the customer got his donuts for free and a bag of cash...…………………………..

George,

I just watched that movie the other night! What a coincidence! My personal favorite scene in Boogie Nights is the "Sister Christian-robbery-firecracker scene".

That one is brutal and Marky Marky nails the scene where he realizes what they are doing and changes his mind.

John from Texas

PS: I get ALOT ribbing about listening to that XM station from the family! But the other day my wife corrected me on some lyrics from Air Supply and I threw it right back in her face and texted a mutual group of friends (she's on it) and razzed her by calling her "Yacht rock lyrics boss". She was pissed and I, yes I, will never let that one go. Even my teen age daughter is digging Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen". They are all closet Yacht rock fans...we are just loud and proud George.

 

[Go for Broke]

Roger that Baron. I knew that going in.
To Brett in OZ. The Hawaiian flag looks like and was modeled after the Union Jack, but its different. I lived here my whole life, but I can't tell the difference either.

 

[Desertkiwi]

Maybe had you started with this post instead of a flippant insult to my intelligence, you would have received more respect from me and I will take time to bother because I do not appreciate your tone nor your high hat. I don't give a rats rear if you are the Pope, if you want respect, then try thinking before you type a bs insult.

That said, I am not a willy nilly guns right guy had you bothered to read my earlier posts. I support stronger background checks, I support red flag laws, I support safety classes. I don't support automatic ASSAULT rifles, I support education for people to actually understand what the hell they are talking about when it comes to guns. I support all of these. What I don't support is some idiot politician having the proverbial knee jerk reaction and calling for the ban of guns. That is just idiocy in its dumbest form and anyone who wants that to occur in my opinion smoked too much happy weed too early in the morning. Its not reality. I am an advocate for the level headed majority moderate to put forth ideas that can be embraced and implemented.

So again, I stand by all of my posts as they are about as black and white as I can make it. There is zero gray area with me.

TD

Steady on TD, I used the term 'bizarre' to describe your post and its rationale. If you wish to twist it into some other meaning then that's your affair. I also never mentioned anything about banning guns or the like so again that's all on you brother.

As for my tone and high-hat, how about you take a long look at yourself and what you've posted before offering me a serve of you know what.

I too stand by my words, 'if you don't change anything, then nothing will change', that's pure and simply.

Just like you I'm entitled to an opinion and I've expressed it.

 

[Warrior]

George,

I just watched that movie the other night! What a coincidence! My personal favorite scene in Boogie Nights is the "Sister Christian-robbery-firecracker scene".

That one is brutal and Marky Marky nails the scene where he realizes what they are doing and changes his mind.

John from Texas

PS: I get ALOT ribbing about listening to that XM station from the family! But the other day my wife corrected me on some lyrics from Air Supply and I threw it right back in her face and texted a mutual group of friends (she's on it) and razzed her by calling her "Yacht rock lyrics boss". She was pissed and I, yes I, will never let that one go. Even my teen age daughter is digging Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen". They are all closet Yacht rock fans...we are just loud and proud George.

Funny you mention that as I caught it the other night as well...……………...that botched robber scene is classic...………..a bag of flour...……….LOL...………….

"Five grand? Yeah, ok, here you go"...…………………….

Some of those stations from say 301 up through 341 are very underrated IMO, thank God for Sirius...………….

 

[hotel3alpha]

Desert,

We do business with Holer Diamond Tools in New Zealand and buy one unique tool from them and they ship it all the way from NZ to San Antonio, TX. Great friends with Simon Holer the owner and have met up with him in Las Vegas at the World of Concrete. I sent him out a well wish after the shootings and you know what? I forgot about my brethren from NZ here on the site. My bad, but like I said thank you for your service as a cop.

NZ was the last place I thought a mass shooting would happen, so yeah no one country or community is immune. This is a ugly business, the gun control thing...rather debate/discussion/dialogue what have you. But, now that we are all connected and information travels like the speed of light, it just seems to get closer and closer. Somethings gotta give here in the US and Im sure something over in NZ gave as well.

I want to visit NZ someday and specifically the islands north of NZ...I hear they are amazing. And apparently you guys know how to mix it up with the homemade wine and rum. I got a bottle in my cabinet from Simon and when I crack it open I will give you a full report.

Until then, be safe, be cool and Once were Warriors is one of my top 20 favorite movies of all time.

John from Texas

 

[Desertkiwi]

Desert,

We do business with Holer Diamond Tools in New Zealand and buy one unique tool from them and they ship it all the way from NZ to San Antonio, TX. Great friends with Simon Holer the owner and have met up with him in Las Vegas at the World of Concrete. I sent him out a well wish after the shootings and you know what? I forgot about my brethren from NZ here on the site. My bad, but like I said thank you for your service as a cop.

NZ was the last place I thought a mass shooting would happen, so yeah no one country or community is immune. This is a ugly business, the gun control thing...rather debate/discussion/dialogue what have you. But, now that we are all connected and information travels like the speed of light, it just seems to get closer and closer. Somethings gotta give here in the US and Im sure something over in NZ gave as well.

I want to visit NZ someday and specifically the islands north of NZ...I hear they are amazing. And apparently you guys know how to mix it up with the homemade wine and rum. I got a bottle in my cabinet from Simon and when I crack it open I will give you a full report.

Until then, be safe, be cool and Once were Warriors is one of my top 20 favorite movies of all time.

John from Texas

Cheers John, I must drop you a line. Thanks for your kind words mate. Yeah got a brother who lives in the US who married a lovely American lady some time ago. I guess that's why I care about what's happening in the States more than some.

I probably should have chosen some of my words a little more tactfully.

The Christchurch incident really rocked us and has had a big impact. As you know we're only a small country with only 4 million Kiwis. (and loads more sheep) Seeing similar stuff occurring in the US and else-where can be hard to watch.

I do like the US its a magic place, full of some of the nicest folks I've ever met.

I'm sure if we all sat down and enjoyed a few cold ones together we'd all get on just fine.

That home made brew sounds like the bomb. Yes please post your review after you've cracked it.

Its also refreshing to see Julie and the Mods allow the thread run for a bit.

Will be in touch. :salute::

 

[Rutledge]

You know what’s more deadly than guns? In fact causes up to 30 times more deaths every year than illegal gun play? Obesity, for which sugar is mostly to blame.

In the US between 30k and 40k people die from gun wounds every year. The vast majority of these are suicides. Between 10k and 15k die from violent gun clashes. Most of these are not mass shootings, many involve criminals killing other criminals.

Meanwhile 300,000 people die every year from obesity related deaths. (600,000 from heart disease) Not to mention all the chronic health conditions, like type 2 diabetes, obesity causes. Some say Alzheimer’s is more often seen among the obese, suggesting there may well be a connection.

So if you’re worried about people’s safety, steer them away, but not from public events, but rather from the candy aisle. Sugar is an insidious killer. It’s in almost every processed food item on the grocery shelf, many of which aren’t positioned as sweet or desert.

The number of people killed in true mass shootings is minuscule compared to obesity. I’m not trying to diminish the horror of such attacks. I am saying that we are so accustomed to the rampant obesity, we ignore the behaviors, and even give tacit approval to extremely unhealthy activity, much of which is due to diet. And that kills way more people than guns. The long, lingering unpleasant and tortuous chronic conditions that come from sugar / diet cost society a fortune while ruining the quality of life for many — up until their early death.

So if we’re going to go after guns, shouldn’t we also go after that which causes 10 times the number of deaths? Or are we unwilling to take on the sugar demon - perhaps because the white powder is so pleasing to the senses while the loud sound of a gun is not?

 

[gk5717]

You know what’s more deadly than guns? In fact causes up to 30 times more deaths every year than illegal gun play? Obesity, for which sugar is mostly to blame.

In the US between 30k and 40k people die from gun wounds every year. The vast majority of these are suicides. Between 10k and 15k die from violent gun clashes. Most of these are not mass shootings, many involve criminals killing other criminals.

Meanwhile 300,000 people die every year from obesity related deaths. (600,000 from heart disease) Not to mention all the chronic health conditions, like type 2 diabetes, obesity causes. Some say Alzheimer’s is more often seen among the obese, suggesting there may well be a connection.

So if you’re worried about people’s safety, steer them away, but not from public events, but rather from the candy aisle. Sugar is an insidious killer. It’s in almost every processed food item on the grocery shelf, many of which aren’t positioned as sweet or desert.

The number of people killed in true mass shootings is minuscule compared to obesity. I’m not trying to diminish the horror of such attacks. I am saying that we are so accustomed to the rampant obesity, we ignore the behaviors, and even give tacit approval to extremely unhealthy activity, much of which is due to diet. And that kills way more people than guns. The long, lingering unpleasant and tortuous chronic conditions that come from sugar / diet cost society a fortune while ruining the quality of life for many — up until their early death.

So if we’re going to go after guns, shouldn’t we also go after that which causes 10 times the number of deaths? Or are we unwilling to take on the sugar demon - perhaps because the white powder is so pleasing to the senses while the loud sound of a gun is not?

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[Rutledge]

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