Shootings In El Paso (1 Viewer)

marco55

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My heart goes out to the victims and families of the latest mass shooting.I just can't understand how someone can just start shooting people at random who you don't know and have never done anything to you.
I just don't know what the answer is.
Mark
 
18 confirmed dead, the shooter was a 21 year old white male who was specifically targeting Hispanics.

You pop into Walmart to pick up desert for dinner tonight or that last ingredient you need for your pulled pork recipe and you never leave.

You're literally not safe anywhere anymore, this started in the parking lot and went into the Walmart itself.

I sickens me to say it, but I'm at the point where none of these mass shootings surprise me anymore, which depresses me to be honest that I've become desensitized to them.

The only thing I am concerned over when I read/hear about another one of these is that we have forum members from that area, I have friends in that area, I truly hope no one I know directly, anyone my friends know or anyone forum member know were killed or injured.

Just a senseless, terrible thing...……….and next week there will be another one.

This shooting or any other shooting is not going to bring about change, so don't waste anyones time talking about it; if nothing changed after Sandy Hook, it never will.
 
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George,

You nailed it and I couldn't agree more.

John from Texas
 
I like that!
never heard that expression...
sounds like something a Marshall from the Wild West would say...
short and sweet...
somewhat poetic...

Las Vegas was a good example of that. Thousands of guns in the audience. Poetry on stage until the musicians ran.

It does sound like something a Marshall from Wild West would say. In about 1880. And when nobody had an assault rifle. Or was on meth. Or used his right of self defense against country music. Or bullies. Or whatever his brain tells him is threatening him.

I am sorry to say, but the death toll is still not high enough. But I have no doubt that it will increase with the arrival of more powerful weapons.
 
Las Vegas was a good example of that. Thousands of guns in the audience. Poetry on stage until the musicians ran.

It does sound like something a Marshall from Wild West would say. In about 1880. And when nobody had an assault rifle. Or was on meth. Or used his right of self defense against country music. Or bullies. Or whatever his brain tells him is threatening him.

I am sorry to say, but the death toll is still not high enough. But I have no doubt that it will increase with the arrival of more powerful weapons.

What does the weapon have to do with it? People who commit these types of acts are criminals and should be prosecuted. In the history of our world, no weapon whether it be a knife, fork, bomb, gun, etc is responsible for any of the crimes man has committed. It is human being driven and it is disgusting as is any crime.

Let's show some common sense here as well as compassion for the victims and keep gun control out of it.

And for the record, if some criminal came in my house, I can guarantee it would be the last move they would make and I would assert my right under the laws of our nation to defend myself and my loved ones. I can also guarantee I would and do sleep soundly at night and most people I have ever met consider me a moral, ethical and good person. I am a proud and legal gun owner.

TD

TD
 
What does the weapon have to do with it? People who commit these types of acts are criminals and should be prosecuted. In the history of our world, no weapon whether it be a knife, fork, bomb, gun, etc is responsible for any of the crimes man has committed. It is human being driven and it is disgusting as is any crime.

Let's show some common sense here as well as compassion for the victims and keep gun control out of it.

And for the record, if some criminal came in my house, I can guarantee it would be the last move they would make and I would assert my right under the laws of our nation to defend myself and my loved ones. I can also guarantee I would and do sleep soundly at night and most people I have ever met consider me a moral, ethical and good person. I am a proud and legal gun owner.

TD

TD

My man!

it wouldn't even get to trial here...
you have every right to defend your family and home...
I would sleep soundly too!
 
Now confirmed; 20 killed, 26 wounded, 46 total victims.

Sickening.

46 people that did nothing other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
Now confirmed; 20 killed, 26 wounded, 46 total victims.

Sickening.

46 people that did nothing other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yes it is, the act is sickening, the human being who did it is too. One crime, one shooting, on burglary, one assault, one rape is one too many. Why people act is an answer that we can get to and usually do, but stopping crime is seemingly never going to happen. We can only police, educate, protect, prosecute and defend, etc. I am not sure we will ever have effective control or a solution. There is what "we" call the human factor and it is both good and bad, but surely unpredictable and it always will be. I know that sounds cynical and cold but in my short time on the planet, that is what I have learned.

TD
 
I can't understand how this has come to happen again. I know people say it's a gun issue, and there is a element of truth in that, there is a gun culture with the under 30 crowd in the USA , you can see how they post pictures on the net holding,banishing, showing off their guns. The more crap they load on the AR platform the more proud they are.

I learned as kid a gun was a tool. If you needed to use it , it was taken down off a wall rack or out of a glass case and used, then cleaned, the put back away.
Everything I have now at 51, to my first 4.10 at 10 years old to my modern sporting rifle is treated the same way.
So it can't be the gun, we had em, we didn't do this, there was a former marine in California who shot up a McDonalds while I was I was on Pendleton in Cali, in the 80's and of course Whitman in Austin, and I had heard there was a lady who attempted to shoot up a school in the 70's in California. California. What a Country.......That covers almost 30 years.
How many in the last 10 years?

So what has changed? Social media is a vile place where people talk to each other and call each other names that they would never do in person.
Not only for fear of fighting either, we as humans mostly don't want to see hurt on other peoples faces. Most people you deal with are decent people other wise the world would be unlivable. The things that people say to one another on news comment boards are shocking.

Bulling now goes on 24 hours a day with these kids, we used to get it a school then go hang with our friends and everything was ok unless you ran into your bully at the park. Now it never stops because they attack them all of social sites they use. It just never stops.
2nd part for me and my wife is they can't fight their bully's either. You either become friends or he moves on to easier prey.

The closing of the mental faciltys in the 80's. Every one of these except for Vegas showed plenty of red flags they all would have been involuntary committed in the 70's Doubt it?
Watch 3 episodes of the tv show Barney Miller. People were sent to Bellevue hospital all the time.

The notoriety of it. The Egyptians used to really erase someone from their history, maybe we should do the same. Make that part of the punishment.

And I sure there is more that I do not know.

I am sorry for the loss of life and what these people have to deal with now. God forbid it could have been my family.
I do know this. If we don't figure it out, we as gun owners will have serious restriction put on us, the votes will be there, people are getting tired of it as they should be. Something has to give.

I'll get off my soapbox now. but first, it's not about breaking into my house. He@% I'll leave the door open for you. Just be aware, I'm gonna lock it after you.

Chuck
 
Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, sad but very true.

I've always wondered, given the high percentage of people with guns in the US, why this rarely, if ever happens?

In these supermarket shootings and the like, they are often in 'Pro-gun' areas that have carry permits or similar.

Why do the good-guys not shoot the bad guys?

This all from a non-American so please excuse if i've gotten this arse about face.
 
I've always wondered, given the high percentage of people with guns in the US, why this rarely, if ever happens?

In these supermarket shootings and the like, they are often in 'Pro-gun' areas that have carry permits or similar.

Why do the good-guys not shoot the bad guys?

This all from a non-American so please excuse if i've gotten this arse about face.

My info on this only comes from the Daily Mail.

There was an Army Veteran nearby who was carrying a gun. He apparently helped some children flee but did not attempt to engage with the shooter. His gun would have been no match for an AK47.

Apparently the main mall had a policy of no weapons to be carried inside.

However I remember another Texas shooting incident involving a "good guy with a gun". He was an ex cop who went to watch the movie Lone Survivor. Prior to the movie starting he got involved in an argument with a guy in front of him over the noise he was making eating snacks. He shot and killed the unarmed snack eater. Normally you would think having an ex cop with a gun around would be the ideal weapon carrying guy but not in this case.

Then there was the Texas church shooting case, I think within last year, where nearby gun owners joined in the chase and caught the shooter.
 
I've always wondered, given the high percentage of people with guns in the US, why this rarely, if ever happens?

In these supermarket shootings and the like, they are often in 'Pro-gun' areas that have carry permits or similar.

Why do the good-guys not shoot the bad guys?

This all from a non-American so please excuse if i've gotten this arse about face.

They do and it happens often especially during home invasions. It is not reported by the media for various reasons.
 
I just saw about the one in Ohio.9 dead.We have lost 15 soldiers in Afghanistan this year.It's safer over there.
Mark
 
I reiterate what I said before. People are the issue and there is probably no way to stop these things from happening if they are off the cuff or spur of the moment or whatever. How do you stop that? There is zero way to stop insanity other than to prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law. People who perpetrate these acts should be shunned, not accepted, etc. One example - free speech on the internet...………..any type of speech like this - manifesto, etc should not be tolerated and should be investigated, we protect way too much of this activity.

Also for definition purposes - an AK 47 is a fully automatic weapon which is not legal to own in the least in the USA - it is not because it is an automatic - you can if you pass about 4 million background checks purchase an full auto in the US, but they are Federally regulated as well as annually checked as well as Expensive. In other words, you need about $20 Grand to legally purchase an automatic weapon as well as about $750 per year maintain that license. There are less of those out there than you think. Back to the AK - 47 - these are NOT legal because of the Russian produced parts that are on the gun - that is illegal in every State in the US.

What is legal is a SEMI automatic WASR 47 made in Bulgaria. It is a CRAP gun that you can't hit the side of a barn with. They are pieces of garbage and most people I know would not own one other than the novelty of having that "look" sitting in their gun cabinet.

One thing that gets lost in all of these discussions is EDUCATION. I have read so much Bull about this gun and that gun and pundits in the press. Most of it is garbage and people have no idea what they are talking about. I am not preaching to the board, but my suggestion is do your research and form your own opinion. One great example of this is Maryland's Long Gun Rule - a WASR 47 is now regulated and quite frankly new ones are not available for sale in Maryland, however an SKS (Norinco arms) is available and is the same gun, same ammunition. WHY? Because the law was written by ignorant legislators.

TD
 
The term “assault weapon” needs to go.
I keep hearing how an ar-15 is an assault weapon. I have an ar-15...yet I live in Massachusetts with tough gun laws, my “assault weapon” holds 7 bullets and is semi auto. People say it’s designed to kill. Uh, if someone wants to kill masses of people, my assault weapon isn’t the gun to use.
Like Tom said... education, education , education
 
My info on this only comes from the Daily Mail.

There was an Army Veteran nearby who was carrying a gun. He apparently helped some children flee but did not attempt to engage with the shooter. His gun would have been no match for an AK47.

Apparently the main mall had a policy of no weapons to be carried inside.

However I remember another Texas shooting incident involving a "good guy with a gun". He was an ex cop who went to watch the movie Lone Survivor. Prior to the movie starting he got involved in an argument with a guy in front of him over the noise he was making eating snacks. He shot and killed the unarmed snack eater. Normally you would think having an ex cop with a gun around would be the ideal weapon carrying guy but not in this case.

Then there was the Texas church shooting case, I think within last year, where nearby gun owners joined in the chase and caught the shooter.


There was a series HBO ran a few years ago called "Mass Shooter", several incidents of mass shootings, I DVR'D it and watched the first three, then erased the rest of them, I had enough of "He was a troubled guy, had a history of issues, no one said anything, then he snapped"...……………

Rinse, lather, repeat.

We're gun crazy in this country, the key word being crazy.

My Dad was a former police officer; if I had my way, the only weapon available to the public would be a rock, throw a rock at my Dad and see what he'll do to you, I just wanted him to come through the front door every night unharmed is all.

As far as your "good guy with a gun" example; just change it to "Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a bucket of popcorn"...…….

The best monologue I've ever heard about guns in the US belongs to your very own Jim Jeffries in one of his stand up bits.

If you haven't seen it, do a search on YouTube for it.

You're welcome.
 
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