Size Matters.... (5 Viewers)

[maddadicus]

OK, so now we know that the CS Tiger was released as not really 1/30 scale, which makes their current PZKFW ( at true 1/30 scale ) as large as. This creates viewing issues for me of an armor collection not looking as it should. The PZKFW looks right next to K/C'S newer stuff.( now 1/30 scale? Those earlier models that we mislead you about being 1/30..FORGET ABOUT IT.) So now I need to sell my 1/32 ish, marked 1/30 scale stuff and buy true ( Honest ,collectors ,this is the real thing now..)real sized models, so that I can sleep at night..Does anyone have comparison photos of a CS Panther and a K/C ( current )Tiger next to a CS PZKFW to see if the scale even comes close...It bothers me that I have to do this, but it also would be nice if all the current mfg. would not play mind games with the collector as to proper size a model ought be relative to it's contemporaries. While we are at it, lets look at the CS Stuart variant which seems to be on steroids and show that next to the CS Panther and PZKFW...Not a happy collector right now... Michael

 

[Go for Broke]

Whenever I look at my tanks, the tankers are always smaller than the foot soldiers and I always wonder how they can squeeze in the hatches. So I know the tanks are small assuming the foot soldiers are the right scale. Also on the open AFVs the fighting compartments are so small. Jeeps seem really tiny. I guess what I'm saying is that the tankers should be the same size as the foot soldiers and the AFV should follow that scale being 1/30, 1/32, 1/29 or whatever. What's neat about FL is that they put a full figure in their AFVs. Now that's proof in the pudding! One day soon we'll see the right size tanks, but I'll dread the price that goes with it.

 

[tdubel]

I am not a qualified scale expert as I admittedly don't care. That said, I understand the frustration. Here is my quick take:

1. K&C for artistic reasons has done the larger figure route so that the figures really "pop" out of the vehicle.

2. Figarti for the most part is pretty decent scale wise on vehicles, but their figures are a little larger or inconsistent.

3. CS is all over the map as you state. It seems every range is slightly different.

4. FL is apparently on scale according to you guys who really follow this, which then makes there figures appear smaller against other items.

I guess (i think) my point is they are all done differently and if this is something that is important to you, it is frustrating. For me, I just go on each set's look and appeal to me, that way, I save the headache. Also, I should note, I am not a diorama builder, so scale tends to not factor as much.

Tom

 

[lancer]

I'm with you guys. What is the true 1/30 scale? All I know, as I posted somewhere on this forum, is that the size of the tank figures (for all manufacturers that I own) seem to dwarf the vehicles. A Tiger I or II is a huge beast and, in wartime photos and newsreels, the men are almost lost in the hatches or when standing on or next to the tank. Now if I remember correctly from comparison photos done by other members, the CS Tiger was the same basic size as the KC Desert Tiger and both were supposed to be true 1/30. Now we are told the CS Tiger is underscale, so too then the KC Desert Tiger. Whats the deal? What is the issue with making a true 1/30 Tiger? I can't afford scale wars that mean replacing earlier versions time after time just to get the latest true scale version. Help! -- Al

 

[OzDigger]

I'm with you guys. What is the true 1/30 scale? All I know, as I posted somewhere on this forum, is that the size of the tank figures (for all manufacturers that I own) seem to dwarf the vehicles. A Tiger I or II is a huge beast and, in wartime photos and newsreels, the men are almost lost in the hatches or when standing on or next to the tank. Now if I remember correctly from comparison photos done by other members, the CS Tiger was the same basic size as the KC Desert Tiger and both were supposed to be true 1/30. Now we are told the CS Tiger is underscale, so too then the KC Desert Tiger. Whats the deal? What is the issue with making a true 1/30 Tiger? I can't afford scale wars that mean replacing earlier versions time after time just to get the latest true scale version. Help! -- Al

The CS Tiger is smaller but close to the K & C Tunisian Tiger. I am fussy about scale but didn't notice a significant difference.

 

[Mitch]

I cannot understand this debate. If you have been collecting for say at least five years then all manufacturers have played around with scale so, not a huge amount of sets will be different so, with this mindset then one will have to sell a boat load of a collection to get it correct.

I think its best if one keeps things in their prospective sets I don't mix sets much and each are kept in their respective camps. I also see it as a hobby and that manufacturers have to try and fit in with the rest of the sellers out there. If it was an offence to represent one as 1/30th when not to the last mm not many manufacturers would be free men to be able to allow us to collect the products we can.

Never forget its only a hobby
Mitch

 

[wayne556517]

This help ?

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

I'm with you guys. What is the true 1/30 scale? All I know, as I posted somewhere on this forum, is that the size of the tank figures (for all manufacturers that I own) seem to dwarf the vehicles. A Tiger I or II is a huge beast and, in wartime photos and newsreels, the men are almost lost in the hatches or when standing on or next to the tank. Now if I remember correctly from comparison photos done by other members, the CS Tiger was the same basic size as the KC Desert Tiger and both were supposed to be true 1/30. Now we are told the CS Tiger is underscale, so too then the KC Desert Tiger. Whats the deal? What is the issue with making a true 1/30 Tiger? I can't afford scale wars that mean replacing earlier versions time after time just to get the latest true scale version. Help! -- Al

Maddicus does have a point, why should he have sleepless nights worrying about whether or not his AFV collection scales right?, its not right. I personally have to take responsibility for those nights of tossing and turning, as I made the command decision to right the scale of our AFV's. But I had to weigh Maddicus sleep comfort to the sleep comfort of hundreds of other collectors that would have the same worry as our AFV collection grew: are the vehicles too small?

As we moved the armor range forward after the Tiger we stopped and paused. We took a hard close look at the Tiger tank, we all agreed it was still too small if we wanted to get a real accurate 1/30th scale armor range. So we just took a deep breath and prepared to do just that. You'll find that all of the vehicles after are on line with the 1/30th scale.

Also let me add a bit of manufacturing info for everyone: Because the vehicles are made mostly in poly-resin the shrinkage from the original may vary from vehicle to vehicle manufacturer to manufacturer.

Keep in mind: most all of the models you see are simply kit bashed, sliced and diced and then output as a new original vehicle. The problem is: that makes them way too small for the 1/30th world. Not so with TCS vehicles. You'll find they fit your worlds far better than any other manufacturer, why?
"Because we make them on site in Austin from scratch, no one else goes farther to create a custom AFV with the options you enjoy than TCS." I stand behind our products 110 percent, and our decision to edge them up to the correct scale. But for those that still are not happy:

"If at any time a customer is dissatisfied with an AFV for whatever reason, regardless of age of the model, TCS will take the model back for a full refund of the original price"

I have buyers screaming for the old Tiger daily, its sold out, I'd love to have a unit to auction off.

Best regards,

Brian

 

[Mitch]

Brian.....

Well said and very informative post. A lot of information for the unhappy bunnies.
Mitch

 

[lancer]

Many thanks for the response, Brian. I appreciate the time and effort. I really like CS products, including the Tiger. I do not wish to return my Wittmann Tiger as it is the best Tiger I own. I look forward to the new releases and the continuing innovations CS brings to the hobby. Now, how about a Tiger II with a Porsche turret? -- Al

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Many thanks for the response, Brian. I appreciate the time and effort. I really like CS products, including the Tiger. I do not wish to return my Wittmann Tiger as it is the best Tiger I own. I look forward to the new releases and the continuing innovations CS brings to the hobby. Now, how about a Tiger II with a Porsche turret? -- Al

"Tiger II with a Porsche turret?" YOU ARE A SPY!!!!

 

[lancer]

"Tiger II with a Porsche turret?" YOU ARE A SPY!!!!

This is excellent. -- Al

 

[Mitch]

Sounds very interesting
Mitch

This is excellent. -- Al

 

[Vezzolf]

I am not a qualified scale expert as I admittedly don't care. That said, I understand the frustration. Here is my quick take:

1. K&C for artistic reasons has done the larger figure route so that the figures really "pop" out of the vehicle.

2. Figarti for the most part is pretty decent scale wise on vehicles, but their figures are a little larger or inconsistent.

3. CS is all over the map as you state. It seems every range is slightly different.

4. FL is apparently on scale according to you guys who really follow this, which then makes there figures appear smaller against other items.

I guess (i think) my point is they are all done differently and if this is something that is important to you, it is frustrating. For me, I just go on each set's look and appeal to me, that way, I save the headache. Also, I should note, I am not a diorama builder, so scale tends to not factor as much.

Tom

Good assesment Tom....From what I can tell.... of all the manufacturers FL is the closest to real 1:30 scale in both figures and AFV's....The figures forms (body parts) are realistically proportioned for the human body.......Also FL is best for the diorama guys, since FL is very similar to accurate 1:35 scale modeling....That is "The First Legion Style" which is why when I'm looking for realism and diorama scenes; I look to First Legion.....For the other manufacturers I do not expsect to see extremely accurate scaling even within their own lines....so I "allow" for slight variations; that is their "style" (I enjoy them as "displays" not for diorama)...I can see how this would be frustrating especially for someone trying to mix and match WWII manufacturers......That's why I seldom mix....I will occasionally mix Figarti with K/C...but even there for display only as it is not a perfect match....... Although I do not collect CS at this time it seems that they are producing a good product at a good price point which matches closely with the K/C style.

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Good assesment Tom....From what I can tell.... of all the manufacturers FL is the closest to real 1:30 scale in both figues and AFV's....The figures forms (body parts) are realistically proportioned for the human body.......Also FL is best for the diorama guys, since FL is very similar to accurate 1:35 scale modeling....That is "The First Legion Style" which is why when I'm looking for realism and diorama scenes; I look to First Legion.....For the other manufacturers I do not expsect to see extremely accurate scaling even within their own lines....so I "allow" for slight variations; that is their "style" (I enjoy them as "displays" not for diorama)...I can see how this would be frustrating especially for someone trying to mix and match WWII manufacturers......That's why I seldom mix....I will occasionally mix Figarti with K/C...but even there for display only as it is not a perfect match....... Although I do not collect CS at this time it seems that they are producing a good product at a good price point which matches closely with the K/C style.

Regretfully I would disagree with Tom ( not that he's not a great guy now!) But in regards to scale we are making: the Panther, Stuart, PzKfwIV, Wespe, Steyr1500 and all others soon to follow have been manufactured using the same grid measuring scale block.

Prior to that vehicles were made in a sort of " in-between " state so as to fit with KC items, yet still attempting to work better with the figures. But that is no longer the case: These vehicles are meant to fit with KC and TCS figures and are a solid 1/30th. You simply will not find better scale armor for your current figure sets.

regards,

Brian

 

[kilted vampire]

If my buddy Michael is losing sleep over this.... There is going to be trouble! Undt you vill be very sorry! Maddadicus may just start making his own tanks. He does great work on steamers ya know!

 

[jbonzo1]

"Tiger II with a Porsche turret?" YOU ARE A SPY!!!!

He's part of Rob's worldwide spy network!

 

[jbonzo1]

"Tiger II with a Porsche turret"

Brian, please take note that the maximum weight for UPS Ground is 70 pounds!

 

[Vezzolf]

Regretfully I would disagree with Tom ( not that he's not a great guy now!) But in regards to scale we are making: the Panther, Stuart, PzKfwIV, Wespe, Steyr1500 and all others soon to follow have been manufactured using the same grid measuring scale block.

Prior to that vehicles were made in a sort of " in-between " state so as to fit with KC items, yet still attempting to work better with the figures. But that is no longer the case: These vehicles are meant to fit with KC and TCS figures and are a solid 1/30th. You simply will not find better scale armor for your current figure sets.

regards,

Brian

Sounds Good Brian...All the best...Frank

 

[Jürgen_Keuppe]

Brian...I am only a couple tanks down. I own both the Wittmann tiger and the winter version. At least the Panther, half-track and Pz IV are spot on, right? So, just give us a new Tiger I release! How much would it be? The K&C Tiger II is $225. Their new Panther is listed at $209 now, I think. So, I suspect a full sized tiger from TCS would be close to that.

In the game I just filmed, the Pz IV is considerably larger than the K&C Firefly. So, I need some full-sized allied vehicles for them to fight. I have personally stopped buying the small K&C vehicles in favor of TCS. So, Keep pumping them out in true 1:30 and I'll buy them. Jürgen