The Searchers (4 Viewers)

Bob, thanks for sharing that personal story. It's a great tie in to the movie. The view you posted is on my list to see. I do have to take special note of two recent engineering grads posted to London watching a J Wayne movie 5 nights in a row though. :smile2: Chris
 
Watching it right now on the Western Channel. "Figure a man is good for only one oath at a time." :wink2: -- Al
 
Watching it right now on the Western Channel. "Figure a man is good for only one oath at a time." :wink2: -- Al
Always meant to ask this. Just saw it again and was reminded. Anyone else notice that when the rock is lifted from the Indian's grave during the post-raid pursuit that the Indian's corpse takes a deep breath? About the worst blooper I've really noticed in all my viewings. -- Al
 
Okay I am not a John Wayne fan but I now have a blu ray western box set and The Searchers is in it.
I will give it a watch this weekend
Maybe with all the tips and views you guys have pit forward I will realise what I have been missing
Promise to keep an open mind
 
Always meant to ask this. Just saw it again and was reminded. Anyone else notice that when the rock is lifted from the Indian's grave during the post-raid pursuit that the Indian's corpse takes a deep breath? About the worst blooper I've really noticed in all my viewings. -- Al

Al

Of course you're correct that extra sure did forget to hold his breath during that particular shot :smile2:. However, re that scene did you also notice that glimpse of Ford's directorial magic. As the party ride off to continue the search, the Reverend Clayton carefully and gently places the cloth back over the dead Comanche's face before the flat boulder is dropped back in place. The preacher has brought a touch of civility to an uncivilised territory. Ford dotted such tender little moments throughout his westerns and if the viewer noted them, fine, and if they didn't that was fine with Ford as well.

Back to bloopers in the movie....worse than the above and watch for it next time. As the cavalry troop cross the ice/snow covered river, look over at the right hand corner of the screen and see if you can spot a camera truck/automobile moving which stops just beyond the tree line. Also one of the extras is clearly wearing a pair of Ray-Ban's.

I don't know for certain but I would imagine both bloopers were left in because the snow scenes were filmed as a second unit in Colorado some three months before location shooting began in Monument Valley with stuntmen Cliff Lyons and Chuck Roberson standing in for Wayne & Hunter.

Bob
 
Al

Of course you're correct that extra sure did forget to hold his breath during that particular shot :smile2:. However, re that scene did you also notice that glimpse of Ford's directorial magic. As the party ride off to continue the search, the Reverend Clayton carefully and gently places the cloth back over the dead Comanche's face before the flat boulder is dropped back in place. The preacher has brought a touch of civility to an uncivilised territory. Ford dotted such tender little moments throughout his westerns and if the viewer noted them, fine, and if they didn't that was fine with Ford as well.

Back to bloopers in the movie....worse than the above and watch for it next time. As the cavalry troop cross the ice/snow covered river, look over at the right hand corner of the screen and see if you can spot a camera truck/automobile moving which stops just beyond the tree line. Also one of the extras is clearly wearing a pair of Ray-Ban's.

I don't know for certain but I would imagine both bloopers were left in because the snow scenes were filmed as a second unit in Colorado some three months before location shooting began in Monument Valley with stuntmen Cliff Lyons and Chuck Roberson standing in for Wayne & Hunter.

Bob
Hi Bob. I have noticed the cloth and always thought it a great statement about the Reverend. As to the bloopers you mention about the truck and sunglasses, I have never seen them. Now I will have to pull out my DVD and go to stop motion. And I just watched it again last night. :redface2: -- Al
 
As you know I'm not a big Wayne fan but this movie was on TCM's The Essentials last week. I didn't see all the things you saw but this was the first time I watched it. The thing that struck me was the quest for Debbie, Monument Valley and the last scene of Wayne framed by the door. I also found that of the actors playing the Comanches, some were Native Americans and some not. I would guess that having real Native Americans in movies was not commonplace then.
 
As you know I'm not a big Wayne fan but this movie was on TCM's The Essentials last week. I didn't see all the things you saw but this was the first time I watched it. The thing that struck me was the quest for Debbie, Monument Valley and the last scene of Wayne framed by the door. I also found that of the actors playing the Comanches, some were Native Americans and some not. I would guess that having real Native Americans in movies was not commonplace then.

I watched it last weekend on blu ray. Came with a blu-ray westerns set.
Reading these reviews gave me a bit more insight into this movie.
As an aside Terry Allen has released his first album in about fourteen years.
He is a maverick Texan country singer.
Quite a nice tribute to John Wayne and John Ford on it called "The Wake of the Red Witch"
 
Nice discussion of a classic movie. While on the topic of John Ford's treatment of racism in the West, how many of us have watched "Sgt.Rutledge"? One of the few films that even mentions the black cavalry regiments. Not as deep as "The Searchers" but still a fine movie with the John Ford touch. Further trivia, one of the few westerns to show the cavalry troops armed with single shot carbines and fighting on foot.
 
As you know I'm not a big Wayne fan but this movie was on TCM's The Essentials last week. I didn't see all the things you saw but this was the first time I watched it. The thing that struck me was the quest for Debbie, Monument Valley and the last scene of Wayne framed by the door. I also found that of the actors playing the Comanches, some were Native Americans and some not. I would guess that having real Native Americans in movies was not commonplace then.

Brad

The Searchers is often read in black & white terms by critics and movie historians with a vested interest in proving or disproving the notion that Ethan's (Wayne's character) racism is shared by the director (Ford). But those written arguments have rarely included one of the things that struck you when watching the film. Ford using the Navajo Indians in not just this movie but in all of his films that he shot in Monument Valley which was a rarity in Hollywood in the 40s & 50s. Ford's treatment and generosity to the Navajo people was always exceptionally impeccable and they adored him for it and still do today some forty years after his death.

During my tour of the valley we visited a Hogan-the traditional home of the Navajo- where I was honoured to meet the ninety year old Miss Susie Yazzie . She spoke little English but through an interpreter I asked her of her experiences with the Ford film crew knowing that she had featured as an extra in a number of Ford's westerns-My Darling Clementine; She Wore A Yellow Ribbon; The Searchers and Cheyenne Autumn. She called Ford Natani Nez (Tall Leader/Soldier) and relayed many interesting comments-one stayed firmly in my memory that Natani Nez did not appear to like the whiteman but was always good to the Navajo. (This refers to Ford's vile temper when shooting on location and bawling out his actors and crew when events did not go to his liking).

Miss Yazzie also took a shine to my wife Trudi's long hair and asked if she could brush it and plat it- Navajo style-Note the sagebrush styling implement ^&grin



Brad I appreciate your comment and understand you not being a Wayne fan and I'll be the first to state that he made his fair share of clunkers. But his career peaked in 1956. He made a further 38 more films before his death in 1979, but none matched his performance as Ethan Edwards, a couple came close but none matched the astonishing emotional range that Wayne projected onscreen throughout his performance in The Searchers.

Bob
 
Brad I appreciate your comment and understand you not being a Wayne fan and I'll be the first to state that he made his fair share of clunkers. But his career peaked in 1956. He made a further 38 more films before his death in 1979, but none matched his performance as Ethan Edwards, a couple came close but none matched the astonishing emotional range that Wayne projected onscreen throughout his performance in The Searchers.

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I must say that I like Brad am a bit ambivalent about John Wayne.
I will agree that this movie is his best.
I still think that High Noon is a better western and is deserving of being regarded as one of the best movies of all time.
Anyway at least this thread has prompted me to watch the Searchers with a bit of an open mind.
 
Nice discussion of a classic movie. While on the topic of John Ford's treatment of racism in the West, how many of us have watched "Sgt.Rutledge"? One of the few films that even mentions the black cavalry regiments. Not as deep as "The Searchers" but still a fine movie with the John Ford touch. Further trivia, one of the few westerns to show the cavalry troops armed with single shot carbines and fighting on foot.
I liked it and it certainly was the highlight of Woody Strode's career. I think it was just on TCM within the last month. -- Al
 
Brad

The Searchers is often read in black & white terms by critics and movie historians with a vested interest in proving or disproving the notion that Ethan's (Wayne's character) racism is shared by the director (Ford). But those written arguments have rarely included one of the things that struck you when watching the film. Ford using the Navajo Indians in not just this movie but in all of his films that he shot in Monument Valley which was a rarity in Hollywood in the 40s & 50s. Ford's treatment and generosity to the Navajo people was always exceptionally impeccable and they adored him for it and still do today some forty years after his death.

During my tour of the valley we visited a Hogan-the traditional home of the Navajo- where I was honoured to meet the ninety year old Miss Susie Yazzie . She spoke little English but through an interpreter I asked her of her experiences with the Ford film crew knowing that she had featured as an extra in a number of Ford's westerns-My Darling Clementine; She Wore A Yellow Ribbon; The Searchers and Cheyenne Autumn. She called Ford Natani Nez (Tall Leader/Soldier) and relayed many interesting comments-one stayed firmly in my memory that Natani Nez did not appear to like the whiteman but was always good to the Navajo. (This refers to Ford's vile temper when shooting on location and bawling out his actors and crew when events did not go to his liking).

Miss Yazzie also took a shine to my wife Trudi's long hair and asked if she could brush it and plat it- Navajo style-Note the sagebrush styling implement ^&grin



Brad I appreciate your comment and understand you not being a Wayne fan and I'll be the first to state that he made his fair share of clunkers. But his career peaked in 1956. He made a further 38 more films before his death in 1979, but none matched his performance as Ethan Edwards, a couple came close but none matched the astonishing emotional range that Wayne projected onscreen throughout his performance in The Searchers.

Bob

Bob,

I would be less than honest if I didn't say that I see Wayne in a different way after seeing this movie and look forward to seeing the Searchers again as some of his earlier movies.

Regarding your points about the Ford using the Navajo in his movies, I was also struck by the scene where Ethan and Martin come on the body of Look and Martin says something like "why did they have to do this." I obviously don't know if other movies showed this concern but thought it might be out of the ordinary for that time.

All in all, this has been a very fascinating discussion. I'd hope that Bob or Al lead us on discussions of other movies that they like.

Brad
 
I must say that I like Brad am a bit ambivalent about John Wayne.
I will agree that this movie is his best.
I still think that High Noon is a better western and is deserving of being regarded as one of the best movies of all time.
Anyway at least this thread has prompted me to watch the Searchers with a bit of an open mind.

I agree that High Noon is a better western and likely one of the best movies. However, the Searchers is also a fine movie and probably the Duke's best. I own both on Blu-ray and think if you like one, you will almost certainly like the other. About the only thing I didn't like about the Searchers was Jeffrey Hunter; his lines and acting just grate on me when I watch it. Of course that makes me focus even more on Wayne's, which is not such a bad thing.
 
Gotta say that I like High Noon quite a bit but I don't think it is in the same league with The Searchers on any level, writing, acting, or cinematography. High Noon is a good watch, but lacks the depth of The Searchers. You watch High Noon once, and you have seen what it has to offer. The Searchers is a movie that rewards multiple viewings. JMO. -- Al
 
Gotta say that I like High Noon quite a bit but I don't think it is in the same league with The Searchers on any level, writing, acting, or cinematography. High Noon is a good watch, but lacks the depth of The Searchers. You watch High Noon once, and you have seen what it has to offer. The Searchers is a movie that rewards multiple viewings. JMO. -- Al

I think that High Noon is a great Western but The Searchers is a great movie. It transcends the genre by moving beyond the stereotypes and offering quite a revolutionary take on the myth of the West. For all its iconic status, High Noon is quite a conventional story, albeit a very good one.

Was it Frankie Lane who sang an excellent version of 'High Noon'?
 
I think that High Noon is a great Western but The Searchers is a great movie. It transcends the genre by moving beyond the stereotypes and offering quite a revolutionary take on the myth of the West. For all its iconic status, High Noon is quite a conventional story, albeit a very good one.

Was it Frankie Lane who sang an excellent version of 'High Noon'?
That is correct. Song was called 'Do Not Forsake Me'. -- Al
 
As I said I watched it with new eyes.
Will try and get hold of the Man who Shot Liberty Valance next.
ANyone have any comments or insights about that one I would read them with interest
 
I think that High Noon is a great Western but The Searchers is a great movie. It transcends the genre by moving beyond the stereotypes and offering quite a revolutionary take on the myth of the West. For all its iconic status, High Noon is quite a conventional story, albeit a very good one.

Was it Frankie Lane who sang an excellent version of 'High Noon'?

That is correct. Song was called 'Do Not Forsake Me'. -- Al


Great song.....I have it on the Jukebox with a few more Western and WW2 related movie theme songs











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Martyn:)
 

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