Tiger I late version (2 Viewers)

Beautiful pictures of HB's new products.....I really like their Winter Version Model excellent.............HOWEVER... I will have to pass on this for 2 reasons..........1) As a basic tank costly at $350 dollars........also and more important "annoying"...... TOO MUCH FAN-FARE regarding this customization stuff which could potentially "drive up costs needlessly".......If HB wants to produce on a by order basis for the select few that's their choice.......I personnally do not buy into this "customization" excuse for such pricing............ most collectors will buy a product that is well made even at a price that my be a bit higher than that to which they are accustom........Produce a high quality product and it will sell.......put your best on the table....and the buyers will decide.... Hatches Open vs Hatches Closed ,vs More or Less Weathering, or Numbers......."give me a break"......or give me some aspirin.......IMO.....
 
Thank you for the link, Doug. It's a great website. Thanks.

It's not the customization that raised our price. Most of you know that we have been customizing your tanks without added charges before. This time we decided to let ALL know that that can be done. This is a service that we decided to offer to our collectors who have appreciated it much in the past.

The Tiger (and all of the tanks released at the new standards) is a model of a higher level than our previous line. I know that you liked the Shermans, the Panthers and Jagdpanthers. But the Tiger is BETTER, and as that it must cost more. It's worth it. It took much more work to sculpt it, and it takes much more time to make each one with the detail that we decided to offer. I'm sorry for those who can't understand that.

Most of you know that we have painted your tanks as your preferences, changed colour patterns, accessories, crews and numbers. We never charged for that. That is FREE and it's a service that we happily give to our customers.


Thanks,

Ana
 
As I said:personnaly although the HB tiger appears to be a higher quality model than some of their prior releases, each collector will have to decide for themselves wether this is "worth" the cash without tank crew........I personnaly have a limit as to what I will spend on a toy hobby,quality not withstanding and..... I will PASS on this.... I have the financial luxury to make this purchase but will not.......I own a few prior HB releases the winter panther and the winter jag I think the're good.......but.......I do not feel they are significantly better than K/C products and now even more pricey ......just my opinion but to each their own......
 
Ana,
The more I look at the photos you posted, the more I see. :) The details on these tanks are phenomenal! There has to be a great amount of brass and other metal detail eliments added to these little wonders. I can see the cooling fans through the fine metal grids in the rear of the tank. Very Cool! The painting and weathering on the vehicles is also top notch.

Honour Bound raised the bar when your first tanks came out with their highly improved tracks and wheels. Now your introducing an even HIGHER QUALITY product for the discriminating collecter.

I for one would rather use next years hobby budget on a few of these HB beauties than the probably dozen on more vehicles that will be turned out by another maker.

Thanks for these great new tanks-And keep them coming.
 
jazzeum said:
I think it's a little unfair to call this a "gimmick" and I hope this doesn't turn into a big debate but these may be the best tanks we've ever seen. I don't hear too many complaints about the Russian stuff and they're not cheap. These are not for everyone, just as the Warbirds aren't. I'm not sure I'm going to get one but I wanted to get as much info as possible and in my view I don't think it's right to call this a "gimmick."
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Brad

You are right. I agree with you about not calling this a gimmick. I for one like every HB I have bought. They have produced a good product and that is not a gimmick. I hope they will be able to stay in the market. We need companies that try give us a better than good product. If we want cheap looking Toy Soldiers there many of those. Shop at Toys R Us, Target or Walmart. My dog won't even chew on that type of TS.
 
NMA tried to take K & C on directly and failed. Honour Bound made a good attempt at producing high qulaity vehicles at a reasonable price but could not compete with the Chinese made K & C pieces because of labor costs.

I believe Honour Bound have made the correct decision to alter from semi mass production to a custom made approach. I hope collectors will understand that the company changed their target market to stay in business and help support them financially where they can.
 
OzDigger said:
NMA tried to take K & C on directly and failed. Honour Bound made a good attempt at producing high qulaity vehicles at a reasonable price but could not compete with the Chinese made K & C pieces because of labor costs.

I believe Honour Bound have made the correct decision to alter from semi mass production to a custom made approach. I hope collectors will understand that the company changed their target market to stay in business and help support them financially where they can.
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Oz Old friend
I agree with you entirely.
Regards
Damian
 
maddadicus said:
All that being said, how many of us can afford $400.00 for 1 resin vehicle? Their target collector base strinks drastically...Michael
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Hi Michael,

It has been very interesting following this discussion. I am curious about the meaning of your last post in which you say "Their target collector base stinks drastically." Do you mean the situation stinks because many of us are not easily included in the target base and, consequently, you are disappointed? Or do you mean the target base itself, which is composed of the more affluent collectors, stinks? I suspect you mean the former, but your words define the latter.

A little clarification of your opinion would be very helpful to me. Thanks!

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
 
Chuck Harris said:
Brad

You are right. I agree with you about not calling this a gimmick. I for one like every HB I have bought. They have produced a good product and that is not a gimmick. I hope they will be able to stay in the market. We need companies that try give us a better than good product. If we want cheap looking Toy Soldiers there many of those. Shop at Toys R Us, Target or Walmart. My dog want even chew on that type of TS.
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Most of us in this hobby know the difference between cheaply made products and exorbitantly priced ones.....(this also applies to overpriced retired items on the secondary market)....HB products are "well made" but in my opinion they are "reaching" a bit with their pricing........Again each person will decide if it's worth the " Hard earned Cash"......of 400+ dollars for a toy tank.......Again I don't know if HB's new marketing strategy will work for them but : most serious collectors myself included will think long and hard on this one before parting with the dough...........
 
wadepat said:
Hi Michael,

It has been very interesting following this discussion. I am curious about the meaning of your last post in which you say "Their target collector base stinks drastically." Do you mean the situation stinks because many of us are not easily included in the target base and, consequently, you are disappointed? Or do you mean the target base itself, which is composed of the more affluent collectors, stinks? I suspect you mean the former, but your words define the latter.

A little clarification of your opinion would be very helpful to me. Thanks!

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
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I think he means "Shrinks".......simply a mis-spell
 
wadepat said:
Hi Michael,

It has been very interesting following this discussion. I am curious about the meaning of your last post in which you say "Their target collector base stinks drastically." Do you mean the situation stinks because many of us are not easily included in the target base and, consequently, you are disappointed? Or do you mean the target base itself, which is composed of the more affluent collectors, stinks? I suspect you mean the former, but your words define the latter.

A little clarification of your opinion would be very helpful to me. Thanks!

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
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I think its a typo: "strinks" is meant to be "shrinks" (i.e. less collectors able to pay $400 for a single vehicle) not "stinks".
 
wadepat said:
Hi Michael,

It has been very interesting following this discussion. I am curious about the meaning of your last post in which you say "Their target collector base stinks drastically." Do you mean the situation stinks because many of us are not easily included in the target base and, consequently, you are disappointed? Or do you mean the target base itself, which is composed of the more affluent collectors, stinks? I suspect you mean the former, but your words define the latter.

A little clarification of your opinion would be very helpful to me. Thanks!

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
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Pat , Let us presume, based on our years of collecting polystone vehicles, that the market has always been based on a $100.00 avg. price tag..Hearing all the chatter about who is buying what on this forum, there is a large group of collectors that seem to be able to afford the $100 item ,including multiple purchases of that price range. That is the K/C market, which represents most of all collectors with plystone vehicles. NMA, Figarti, and HB all attempted to cater to that same market ,with varied results. If we were ,as an example able to describe the polystone collecting base as 1000 people. Maybe 20% or 200 folks would be high end, money no object collectors...they would be the Warbirds type, retired 88's gang. With a $400 price tag, HB immediately prices itself out of the 80% average joe-sixpack collectors group. And so, their marketing base does strink to only 20%, those affluent collectors, which they have chosen to target. HB best hope that those limited number of rich folks buy up these Tigers, because they have cut out the majority of the total collector dollars available...by pricing them out of our reach...Michael
 
Even some of the so called affluent warbird, 88 gang (wish I had one of those old 88s -- WS 20 or WS 24) have limits, as evidenced by some of the comments on this Forum. Moreover, how many Tigers do you really need. Counting the Figarti one, I have five, including the new K & C. Do I need six? I know they sell but I might be more on the fence if something other than a Tiger was made.

Now, as far as the price goes, I don't understand the debate; if you want to buy it, buy it, if not don't but don't lament it costs what it does. There are many things I can't afford but I don't complain about those who do.
 
I will always take quality over quantity. I also don't like to make my collection dis-proportionate to the realities that make up of the various fighting forces I collect. I try to keep my tank collection to a minimum because armored forces in real armies are rather rare compared to the numbers of fighting men.
As soon as I heard HB was going to produce a Tiger I knew it would be the best and I wanted one. So I sold my WS-43 Tiger, I have the Winter Tiger and now the Desert Tiger. Having seen the HB, I'll probably part with the Desert version and go with HB at some point.
Ray
 
Don't worry Ana. I'm buying one & Brad will break down eventually. Just trying to figure out exactly what to request. Frank posted a great color illustration of a Tiger from Pz.Abt. 505 on the Canadian forum. I could not repost it here because it was too large.
 
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