US/Israel Launches Op Epic Fury Against Iran (2 Viewers)

[Buster]

One more point were a democrat president doing this I would be all for it. Clinton, Obama and Biden did nothing nor did the Bush 1 or 2. The fanatic murderers in Iran do not deserve to breathe any more air unless you want terrorism, mayhem and miser to continue at will.
Tom

Agreed Tom, except for, far from doing nothing, the Obama/Biden/Clinton regime handed the Ayatollah pallets loaded with hundreds of millions of freshly printed 100-dollar bills and also released tens of billions of dollars in frozen assets ... apparently a part of Obama's "Lead from behind" policy ... more like "kissing the behind"!

B.

 

[tdubel]

Agreed Tom, except for, far from doing nothing, the Obama/Biden/Clinton regime handed the Ayatollah pallets loaded with hundreds of millions of freshly printed 100-dollar bills and also released tens of billions of dollars in frozen assets ... apparently a part of Obama's "Lead from behind" policy ... more like "kissing the behind"!

B.

As I said and agree, I never understood that move. It just didn't pass the smell test for me nor most of the everyday citizens. But unfortunately that is nothing new, on a daily basis I continue to be shocked at what politicians from all parties actually say out loud in public. At times, you just have to shake your head.
Tom

 

[Warrior]

I think the characterization of trumpers is not fully true here. If you like some of his policies does that make you a trumper? As a moderate, I pay a social price because I am not anti trump and to me that is utterly ridiculous. No president in my lifetime has ever been perfect for me and I am resigned to the fact they never will. Do I think Trump had an unfair road against the Washington elite from the get go, yes just look at the farce of Russia gate or the search of maralago. Do I think he has displayed poor leadership at times including January 6, yes there too. Point being imo people should stop looking at him and analyze more about where we as the usa re, and individuals. I can say I am better off at the moment all the way around and I am happy with the military actions. Do I want to be in Iran for the next 20 years no.

One more point were a democrat president doing this I would be all for it. Clinton, Obama and Biden did nothing nor did the Bush 1 or 2. The fanatic murderers in Iran do not deserve to breathe any more air unless you want terrorism, mayhem and miser to continue at will.
Tom

Obama must be confused today seeing bombs being dropped into Iran vs pallets of cash.

And yes, if a Democrat president was doing this (insert your laugh track here), I'd be all for it too.

Not sure what the point of that comment was; unlike far left moonbat liberals, I put country before party, period, full stop.

Does not matter Republican/Democrat, I'd be supportive of this move regardless.

Far left Liberals cannot bring themselves to give Trump any credit for anything, they put party before country.

 

[Combat]

Interesting that hacking into traffic cameras was apparently an important source of information on the movements of the Iranian leaders used in the attack. There are some job openings in the Iranian government if anyone is interested but longevity is not one of the benefits. The Israelis are playing for real to paraphrase the late philosopher Charles Manson.

 

[paxtoysoldier]

The Likud Party is as autocratic as our own ruling Party. Netanyahu dragged us into this for political reasons and we joined because our administration needs a distraction.
It seems like the right thing to do.
But I agree w/JR: there is nothing to stop another fundamentalist from taking power.
Even when this guy's right, he manages to do things wrong.
Paddy Himself

 

[Combat]

Pretty sure Canada was one of the first countries that supported American efforts to target Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile sites.

Brendan

If only the US could sit back and support the efforts of other countries to take care of these problems.

 

[tdubel]

The Likud Party is as autocratic as our own ruling Party. Netanyahu dragged us into this for political reasons and we joined because our administration needs a distraction.
It seems like the right thing to do.
But I agree w/JR: there is nothing to stop another fundamentalist from taking power.
Even when this guy's right, he manages to do things wrong.
Paddy Himself

Paddy
I don't think this is the case. Iran has had it a long time coming. Reagan said many times his true regret was not going to War with Iran. In fact, we supported Iraq's effort as we thought they would win. Bad idea then.

I also disagree with your buttssment (as do many Israelis as it their Country) of the Likud Party. How would you like to be under attack or threat of attack every day of your life for no reason other than your religion and Country's location? The Country needs to be strong and reactive at all times.

How did Trump do this wrong? Surgical bombing that took out I think the count is now 60 plus of the Iranian leadership?

Stop thinking about Trump and look at the big picture.

Tom

 

[OzDigger]

I noticed on the news that France has sent in an aircraft carrier, apparently they're not sure who's side they're on yet

 

[Horus]

I noticed on the news that France has sent in an aircraft carrier, apparently they're not sure who's side they're on yet

And the UK a ship to defend airbase in Cyprus, if they can find enough sailors.
I won't be surprised if 2 tier keir does another u- turn about it flying a white ensign, and will want a lgbt+ rainbow hoisted instead !

 

[VIRIATO]

I really hate the Mullah's regime and hope change is coming. But I am pessimistic this alone will change it. Change will have to come from within, I guess. Now I have never been to Iran but I guess there are still millions of brainwashed Iranians who still support the regime. Just like millions supported Hitler or millions support Putin. And for now the regime has the guns and seems to be willing to keep repressing their own people. Hope I am wrong.
On Israel, I am generally sympathetic with them, but in my view it's high time they find other solutions to the Palestinian problem than repression or violence alone, which must of course also come from the other side, radicals on both sides will only aggravate the problem.
There you have it, ready to take some flak...

 

[Terp152]

Meanwhile there are protests in NYC supporting Iran and the deceased Ali Hosseini Khamenei (NY Times wrote a piece about what a nice guy he was). And it's not just immigrants, a lot of Anglos in the front ranks in the videos.

 

[Buster]

Meanwhile there are protests in NYC supporting Iran and the deceased Ali Hosseini Khamenei (NY Times wrote a piece about what a nice guy he was). And it's not just immigrants, a lot of Anglos in the front ranks in the videos.

Yes, I believe the Washington Post did a "puff-piece" on him also, highlighting his fluffy white beard and nice smile.

B.

 

[tdubel]

As a kid born in 1973 and a news watcher at age 6 (1979), where every night was an update on the "hostages". I find it unbelievable now that we have people celebrating Iran (and the PLO before) in the streets of one of our largest cities. To me, it is an unfathomable disgust, and I don't know how any American can condone this. I don't understand why common sense doesn't prevail here and how a Democrat can support this and say they love our Country. The two just do not reconcile, this should be an issue where every American calls it out as wrong. These are not free speech protests, these IMO are aggressive acts from within.

Tom

 

[mikemiller1955]

While Trump touted the US military as the greatest military power in the world...and passed this operation off to the American public as a doable task...I’m starting to see a lot of glitches in the Iran campaign…

What started out as what was supposed to be a 3-4 day operation...just toppling the current regime...which they did and I applaud...now even Hegseth is saying this war is in it’s “early stages”...now being expanded to 4-5 weeks…I think Trump is more than surprised as perhaps he underestimated the resistance, enemy strikes and the available missile and drone stockpile Iran has…

the lives of 6 US soldiers at Port Shuabia, Kuwait, Army Reserve Command...

3 US air crafts shot down by friendly fire...estimated cost...$30 to $100 million each…thank God all pilots survived...

lots of article now coming out that the US stock pile of weapons is being depleted fast...ESPECIALLY our defense systems...which is really scary…US munitions stockpiles, including those used in missile defense systems are stretched thin in support of our allies in the Middle East...

some analyst’s estimates are that Iran possesses a massive supply of up to 80,000 attack drones and claims...and that Iran is capable of producing another 400 Shahed drones per day...I hope we don’t run out of defense systems...again...that is scary...

the US military budget was already at almost $1 trillion last year...scary to what it might be next year…

another byproduct of this campaign...gasoline is definitely going to go up...as gas goes up...shipping goes up...as shipping goes up...EVERYTHING goes up...America runs on shipping...

Even Trump concedes America’s strikes on Iran, operation Epic Fury isn’t going to plan...as more US interests come under attack...

 

[Combat]

While Trump touted the US military as the greatest military power in the world...and passed this operation off to the American public as a doable task...I’m starting to see a lot of glitches in the Iran campaign…

What started out as what was supposed to be a 3-4 day operation...just toppling the current regime...which they did and I applaud...now even Hegseth is saying this war is in it’s “early stages”...now being expanded to 4-5 weeks…I think Trump is more than surprised as perhaps he underestimated the resistance, enemy strikes and the available missile and drone stockpile Iran has…

the lives of 6 US soldiers at Port Shuabia, Kuwait, Army Reserve Command...

3 US air crafts shot down by friendly fire...estimated cost...$30 to $100 million each…thank God all pilots survived...

lots of article now coming out that the US stock pile of weapons is being depleted fast...ESPECIALLY our defense systems...which is really scary…US munitions stockpiles, including those used in missile defense systems are stretched thin in support of our allies in the Middle East...

some analyst’s estimates are that Iran possesses a massive supply of up to 80,000 attack drones and claims...and that Iran is capable of producing another 400 Shahed drones per day...I hope we don’t run out of defense systems...again...that is scary...

the US military budget was already at almost $1 trillion last year...scary to what it might be next year…

another byproduct of this campaign...gasoline is definitely going to go up...as gas goes up...shipping goes up...as shipping goes up...EVERYTHING goes up...America runs on shipping...

Even Trump concedes America’s strikes on Iran, operation Epic Fury isn’t going to plan...as more US interests come under attack...

There are a lot risks but I come back to the fact that Iran cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. Trump made clear to them that this would not be allowed. He offered them free nuclear fuel for energy if they would give up their nuclear program and they refused that deal. That makes clear that the objective was to build nuclear weapons. So what could be done in that situation? One option is nothing and hope they never use it. That is the option of our "allies" but the fate of civilization can't be in the hands of fanatics. That leaves only one other option. Taking out Iran's offensive weapons capabilities including their nuclear program. If that is done, and an equally terrible regime remains in power, it is still a significant achievement. This was never an effort that was only going to take a few days unless the Iranians come to their senses and agree to a deal that eliminates their nuclear program and offensive weapons or the people rise up and rid themselves of their government.

 

[Horus]

Rid the world of the fanatics and their proxies and hopefully the world can go back to when there wasn't a need for security barriers at every shopping mall, concert hall, Christmas market, railway station and airport etc

 

[mikemiller1955]

There are a lot risks but I come back to the fact that Iran cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. Trump made clear to them that this would not be allowed. He offered them free nuclear fuel for energy if they would give up their nuclear program and they refused that deal. That makes clear that the objective was to build nuclear weapons. So what could be done in that situation? One option is nothing and hope they never use it. That is the option of our "allies" but the fate of civilization can't be in the hands of fanatics. That leaves only one other option. Taking out Iran's offensive weapons capabilities including their nuclear program. If that is done, and an equally terrible regime remains in power, it is still a significant achievement. This was never an effort that was only going to take a few days unless the Iranians come to their senses and agree to a deal that eliminates their nuclear program and offensive weapons or the people rise up and rid themselves of their government.

As mentioned in my post that you replied to...I'm delighted the upper regime has been removed...

but it doesn't seem well thought out...what's the end game...what was our plan after this?

US workers and civilians being taken out by buses...by buses...for real?

CIA wants to arm the Kurds to start an uprising?

still hoping the unarmed Iranian civilians will take over?

are those the best options now that we have started a war?

Is that what were betting on?

I feel like I'm well informed...but tell me their was some foresight and there is a plan that might work?

 

[Combat]

As mentioned in my post that you replied to...I'm delighted the upper regime has been removed...

but it doesn't seem well thought out...what's the end game...what was our plan after this?

US workers and civilians being taken out by buses...by buses...for real?

CIA wants to arm the Kurds to start an uprising?

still hoping the unarmed Iranian civilians will take over?

are those the best options now that we have started a war?

Is that what were betting on?

I feel like I'm well informed...but tell me their was some foresight and there is a plan that might work?

The end game could take a number of forms. If it is nothing other than eliminating Iran's ability to develop nuclear weapons that would be a significant achievement. They were not going to voluntarily do so. That means future generations will not rick nuclear holocaust at the hands of fanatics. Anything beyond that is a bonus. The people of Iran have been given a once in a generation opportunity to clean house. Maybe they take advantage, maybe they don't. My fear is that this effort - like everything else - quickly degenerates along party lines. Meaning that it is politicized to end it before there is a reasonable opportunity to complete the task. I'm opposed to the endless wars but if this takes a few months, then so be it.

 

[Warrior]

While Trump touted the US military as the greatest military power in the world...and passed this operation off to the American public as a doable task...I’m starting to see a lot of glitches in the Iran campaign…

What started out as what was supposed to be a 3-4 day operation...just toppling the current regime...which they did and I applaud...now even Hegseth is saying this war is in it’s “early stages”...now being expanded to 4-5 weeks…I think Trump is more than surprised as perhaps he underestimated the resistance, enemy strikes and the available missile and drone stockpile Iran has…

the lives of 6 US soldiers at Port Shuabia, Kuwait, Army Reserve Command...

3 US air crafts shot down by friendly fire...estimated cost...$30 to $100 million each…thank God all pilots survived...

lots of article now coming out that the US stock pile of weapons is being depleted fast...ESPECIALLY our defense systems...which is really scary…US munitions stockpiles, including those used in missile defense systems are stretched thin in support of our allies in the Middle East...

some analyst’s estimates are that Iran possesses a massive supply of up to 80,000 attack drones and claims...and that Iran is capable of producing another 400 Shahed drones per day...I hope we don’t run out of defense systems...again...that is scary...

the US military budget was already at almost $1 trillion last year...scary to what it might be next year…

another byproduct of this campaign...gasoline is definitely going to go up...as gas goes up...shipping goes up...as shipping goes up...EVERYTHING goes up...America runs on shipping...

Even Trump concedes America’s strikes on Iran, operation Epic Fury isn’t going to plan...as more US interests come under attack...

To your point; yesterday here gas went up .40 cents a gallon; someone needs to explain this one to me, the war started 10 minutes ago and gas is already going up, I call BS.

Plus I thought "drill baby drill" was in effect, wasn't it Trump who claimed when he left office, we were 100% non dependent on foriegn oil and we were actually selling oil to other countries, so now we are not?

This is like my local supermarket telling me the price of eggs is going up; what about the 500 cartons of eggs on your self and the thousands at your distributor that got there BEFORE the price increase?

Again, I call BS, just another handy excuse to screw people over and yes, once prices go up, they rarely if ever come down.

When COVID blew up and then when thanks to Biden's half baked energy policy the price of gas exploded, all the carriers announced price increases.............well COVID is over and the price of fuel has come down, but the shipping rates have not.

Again; any excuse to gouge people.

 

[VIRIATO]

Question: should the US attack North Korea? What do you think?