Walking Dead, Season 4 (2 Viewers)

[marco55]

Having Beth become the next Happy Meal would be appropriate.^&grin -- Al

Or a blue plate special.


^&grin^&grin
Mark

 

[wayne556517]

I was mixed on the last episode. A bit of filler material. Daryl held up his end, but the girl is a terrible actress and can't carry an entire episode. I bet it was cheap to make, though. I'm enjoying this show a lot more since I started using the DVR. Now I can FF through those endless commercials and promos that make me crazy.

btw: Daryl and company are going to be at Chiller Theater in April for any fans of the show.

http://www.chillertheatre.com/main.htm

I think that problem just got solved..................^&grin

 

[thebritfarmer]

Do we know she was kidnapped? And was was with the opening (Glen and Darryl) was that a past episode? If it was I don't remember seeing it at all and I have watched every episode.

 

[Combat]

Do we know she was kidnapped? And was was with the opening (Glen and Darryl) was that a past episode? If it was I don't remember seeing it at all and I have watched every episode.

I was confused about that scene as well. If this part of the TV season was a book, the chapter would be titled "In Which We Walked Around in the Woods." It gives new meaning to the term "walkers." Also to dragging things out and keeping the budget low. It would speed things up considerably if they could find a Porsche dealership. Also why carry sticks, cross bows and knives? The first thing anyone would do in their situation is find some rapid fire weapons. But I'm falling in that trap again thinking too much about a zombie show.

 

[Rutledge]

Do we know she was kidnapped? And was was with the opening (Glen and Darryl) was that a past episode? If it was I don't remember seeing it at all and I have watched every episode.

We dont know she was kidnapped but for her to find a working car, with keys, and then speed off without Darryl seems unlikely. Also, with the way the house was stocked and maintained, with the slew of zombies just showing up conveniently along with the false signal of the dog, sounds very much like a trap. Her foot getting caught in the animal trap earlier was classic foreshadowing, IMO.

The first scenes were flashbacks to fill in on Bob's backstory. They were not scenes from previous shows. We saw how he came to the prison, and what his post-apocalypotic life was like before discovering the Grimes Gang. It also helped us understand why he hates being ALONE (the title of the episode) so much, thus his insistence on keeping the group together.

 

[lancer]

Do we know she was kidnapped? And was was with the opening (Glen and Darryl) was that a past episode? If it was I don't remember seeing it at all and I have watched every episode.

I wondered about that opening sequence as well. Didn't reference anything I remember and it had nothing to do with the episode itself. Maybe a foreshadowing of a future event. If so, it takes some of the mystery out of Darryl's current predicament and Glen's wanderings. Beats me. -- Al

 

[thebritfarmer]

I didn't even think the guy in the opener was the same guy that is with Maggie & Sascha. I thought he was a new character than Glen & Darryl were going to pick up. DOH !!! Need to pay attention.

 

[lancer]

What an ugly and sad episode. But what choice was there? She couldn't be around other people. A very depressing episode, maybe the worst yet. But it is a zombie apocalypse and there is bound to be a downside to life in those circumstances. At least the mystery of who was feeding the zombies back at the prison was cleared up. -- Al

 

[Warrior]

What an ugly and sad episode. But what choice was there? She couldn't be around other people. A very depressing episode, maybe the worst yet. But it is a zombie apocalypse and there is bound to be a downside to life in those circumstances. At least the mystery of who was feeding the zombies back at the prison was cleared up. -- Al

So it's safe to say this show isn't afraid to go to some very, very dark places.

I mean just wow.

That said, after Lizzie did what she did, my first thought was "She's jumped the shark, she has to go"...............BUT, I didn't think they'd actually do it.....................what a dark episode, so much for "We can live here, I don't want to be around other people"..............

Unreal.

I forget where I read/saw this, but the comment "The zombies aren't the biggest threat" rings true now doesn't it.

 

[Rutledge]

What an ugly and sad episode. But what choice was there? She couldn't be around other people. A very depressing episode, maybe the worst yet. But it is a zombie apocalypse and there is bound to be a downside to life in those circumstances. At least the mystery of who was feeding the zombies back at the prison was cleared up. -- Al

2 lessons: Even in the zombie apocalypse, psychopaths are unwelcome. And if you can't shoot a deer, or otherwise support/defend yourself, you're a short timer. Machiavellian-esque, ends justifies the means mentality.

I really did not care for the Lizzie character. Not sad to see her go. Micah's wimpiness was bound to cost her - and it did, dearly. In the new world nice guys/people really do finish last.

 

[lancer]

2 lessons: Even in the zombie apocalypse, psychopaths are unwelcome. And if you can't shoot a deer, or otherwise support/defend yourself, you're a short timer. Machiavellian-esque, ends justifies the means mentality.

I really did not care for the Lizzie character. Not sad to see her go. Micah's wimpiness was bound to cost her - and it did, dearly. In the new world nice guys/people really do finish last.

All weaknesses come home to roost. Watching Lizzie's slide downhill, even as far back as the prison, had to be put straight. Carol has really taken the lead as the hard-nosed "get 'er done" type that will end up as the leader. -- Al

 

[Rutledge]

All weaknesses come home to roost. Watching Lizzie's slide downhill, even as far back as the prison, had to be put straight. Carol has really taken the lead as the hard-nosed "get 'er done" type that will end up as the leader. -- Al

True. Carol has not completely forsaken her prior self, thankfully. Otherwise she's just another governor in the making.

By hanging on to her basic humanity/moral code, mostly, she will be a better leader

 

[Combat]

You guys are a tough crowd. That baby is soft and weak too. Maybe Carol will eat her in the next episode. LOL.

 

[maddadicus]

So it's safe to say this show isn't afraid to go to some very, very dark places.

I mean just wow.

That said, after Lizzie did what she did, my first thought was "She's jumped the shark, she has to go"...............BUT, I didn't think they'd actually do it.....................what a dark episode, so much for "We can live here, I don't want to be around other people"..............

Unreal.

I forget where I read/saw this, but the comment "The zombies aren't the biggest threat" rings true now doesn't it.

This was one of the great episodes in the series, well written, well acted, and haunting. My wife just gasped, with the Lizzie " Borden " scene..The episodes this 1/2 season have nothing to do with the comic, so I am able to sit back and just guess like most folks as to what will happen next...Michael

 

[Warrior]

This was one of the great episodes in the series, well written, well acted, and haunting. My wife just gasped, with the Lizzie " Borden " scene..The episodes this 1/2 season have nothing to do with the comic, so I am able to sit back and just guess like most folks as to what will happen next...Michael

Agreed, one of the best episodes since the pilot.

I wonder if Carol revealed that she was the one who killed the woman so Tyrese would take her out, ie, she's at the end of her rope with all of this.

At this stage, how much humanity is left in the survivors?

 

[lancer]

What an ugly and sad episode. But what choice was there? She couldn't be around other people. A very depressing episode, maybe the worst yet. But it is a zombie apocalypse and there is bound to be a downside to life in those circumstances. At least the mystery of who was feeding the zombies back at the prison was cleared up. -- Al

Once Lizzie finally went off the deep end, my first question was "what now". I started to think of different scenarios for the kid and her future, including the one that occurred, but I didn't really think that killing Lizzie would happen the way it did. It's odd but I guess I was just hoping there might be a different answer to the problem. Abandonment was a possibility although not realistic, regardless of how few options were available. I don't see how Carol or Tyrees could have dealt with that. Tie her up and bring her along? Wouldn't solve anything as the problem remains. Besides, drowning people don't need anchors. Circumstances dictated the result, as Carol knew, but I just thought that a different solution might be in the offing up until the moment Carol pulled the trigger on her Colt Detective Special. I payed closer attention and was more wrapped up in this episode than any in the series. It really was brilliant. -- Al

 

[Combat]

I was a little confused by the storyline. If Lizzie was a psychopath, she wouldn't be showing an excess of empathy for the zombies. Rather she might be acting sadistically toward them. Suddenly, however, she becomes violent and kills her own sister. The narrative really doesn't address why she takes that dramatic turn and implies Lizzie had simply been nuts all along. My take on it was that she was suffering from some type of post traumatic stress syndrome and understandably, as a child, was having difficulty coping with what was going on around her. Carol decides it's not possible to deal with that kind of unpredictable behavior and it's safer to off her. So I was a bit more sympathetic to Lizzie. There are some unwritten rules to these kinds of shows and killing children generally is one of them. The producers know that and decided to take the plot in that direction. It made for an interesting show and got a lot of buzz (which I think was the intent), but they are having their cake and eating it too. Imagine what would go on for real if all order broke down? It would look more like the "The Road" than what has been depicted in this show which often has taken a comic book approach instead of a realistic one to the bad guys (i.e. the governor). Once you burn all those taboo bridges it's going to be difficult to top the shock effect to keep the audience interested. The zombies have already lost most of their impact. In the first season, they were a real threat. Now schoolgirls are taking them out right and left. They've become the guys in red shirts from Star Trek.

 

[marco55]

I think any survivors of this type of event would learn how to defend against the zombies in time.When it first broke out most people probably panic and tried to run for their lives or just gave up.A lot of the survivors weren't what we consider tough people but were in the right place at the time and learned how to survive and would teach their children also.
Mark

 

[lancer]

I was a little confused by the storyline. If Lizzie was a psychopath, she wouldn't be showing an excess of empathy for the zombies. Rather she might be acting sadistically toward them. Suddenly, however, she becomes violent and kills her own sister. The narrative really doesn't address why she takes that dramatic turn and implies Lizzie had simply been nuts all along. My take on it was that she was suffering from some type of post traumatic stress syndrome and understandably, as a child, was having difficulty coping with what was going on around her. Carol decides it's not possible to deal with that kind of unpredictable behavior and it's safer to off her. So I was a bit more sympathetic to Lizzie. There are some unwritten rules to these kinds of shows and killing children generally is one of them. The producers know that and decided to take the plot in that direction. It made for an interesting show and got a lot of buzz (which I think was the intent), but they are having their cake and eating it too. Imagine what would go on for real if all order broke down? It would look more like the "The Road" than what has been depicted in this show which often has taken a comic book approach instead of a realistic one to the bad guys (i.e. the governor). Once you burn all those taboo bridges it's going to be difficult to top the shock effect to keep the audience interested. The zombies have already lost most of their impact. In the first season, they were a real threat. Now schoolgirls are taking them out right and left. They've become the guys in red shirts from Star Trek.

You make an excellent point about the zombies having lost their shock effect. The ease of zombie killing has been discussed previously and now the zombies are only dangerous in large numbers or when catching people by sudden surprise. This problem with the zombies has led to the writers going in the direction of breaking the unwritten rules, which makes for interesting, if disturbing, tv. I still think the writers need to mutate the zombie threat in some way, possibly towards a 'thinking' zombie or zombies that can move much faster or just being more athletic. If the zombie threat must remain constant and predictable, then the writers only course is to keep coming up with ways to threaten the survivors from within, ie., other survivors. That could become predictable in itself. The governor has been done once, don't need it again. Mutate the zombies before the thrill is gone. -- Al

 

[Combat]

I think any survivors of this type of event would learn how to defend against the zombies in time.When it first broke out most people probably panic and tried to run for their lives or just gave up.A lot of the survivors weren't what we consider tough people but were in the right place at the time and learned how to survive and would teach their children also.
Mark

That's a good point. And some of the earliest episodes were set in the cities where the number of zombies was much greater and they posed a bigger threat.