Why I'm not buying anymore 1/30 armour (1 Viewer)

[jazzeum]

Yes, I think it was just a Tiger. Still a nice model though (as I recall).

Is scarcity the reason the FOV KT commands a large amount of money?

 

[uksubs]

Yes, I think it was just a Tiger. Still a nice model though (as I recall).

Is scarcity the reason the FOV KT commands a large amount of money?

For me it the level of detail , check out the link & your see what I mean
http://www.tankzone.co.uk/cart/fov16.htm

 

[uksubs]

There going for big money all across the board Oz US & Eu there going for top money but a lot of new K&C "TOYS" are selling for less on the resell market so what does that tell you ?

 

[OzDigger]

There going for big money all across the board Oz US & Eu there going for top money but a lot of new K&C "TOYS" are selling for less on the resell market so what does that tell you ?

That tells me you don't look very hard If you check Ebay US you will find at least Two of the very popular FOV 1/16 Wittman 007 Tigers for USD $480 Buy it Now, which is well under the original RRP

 

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Our old pal “UK Subs” started off this intriguing but negative little thread a wee while back…

On his latest post he makes the following statement… “But a lot of new K&C “Toys” are selling for less on the resell market… so what does that tell you?”

Well my friend, it tells me that you must have lots and lots of evidence of such poor selling K&C product that you would like to share with us all!

So tell us more…

Best wishes and happy collecting!
Andy C.

 

[jazzeum]

Comparing FOV with K & C is a bit like apples and orange. Generally, and I know there are exceptions, people buying K & C are not buying FOV.

 

[Mitch]

OZDigger....

I take acception to the drizzle bit mate. Its only rained here twice this month the rest of the month here has been grey and overcast. My point is made. Seriously though, the large 1/16th scale tanks are rare over here but, then so is K&C so, its all about that phenomenon the 'individual collectors' taste.
Mitch

Maybe it's the continuos drizzle in Britain that causes you guys to pay 50% more for toys than the rest of the world

 

[uksubs]

Hi Guys,

Our old pal “UK Subs” started off this intriguing but negative little thread a wee while back…

On his latest post he makes the following statement… “But a lot of new K&C “Toys” are selling for less on the resell market… so what does that tell you?”

Well my friend, it tells me that you must have lots and lots of evidence of such poor selling K&C product that you would like to share with us all!

So tell us more…
pp
Best wishes and happy collecting!
Andy C.

First of I called K&C toys iin reply to OZ DRIGGER trolliing post calling fov toys and want to see if anyone would pick up on it but it seem not!
I would be more interested if you would reply to the thread about detail of1/30 armour how it could be improved and your point on it ?
As you like to go on about costs can you tell me why your FW 190 costs $100.00 more than TG? .
When you reply to that then are do the same me old mate, sound fair?

 

[jazzeum]

You didn't actually answer his question. As far as the Fw, it's only about $44 more in the US, than the TG version not a terribly significant difference. I suppose it won't be possible to tell if one is better than the other until they've been both released and they can be evaluated side by side and perhaps the level of detailing is the difference.

As far as the UK goes, where it costs $332, isn't that partially a function of the British economy where everything costs more, not to mention the strength of the pound versus the dollar. I noticed that the Fw in France costs the equivalent of US $262, about $63 more than the US price of $199 but some $70 less than in the UK.

Moreover, if there is over a $130 price difference, why not purchase it from a US dealer?

 

[Mitch]

Jazzeum....

Regardless of the other issues my forum friend. The price in GBP for the king and country FW190 is £209.95 I believe Tommy gunn stated their's including vat is £109 approx. Price in the US does not seem to affect some as it does more in the UK.

From the pics the detail does not look differential to any degree that would make one think thats why I am paying more indeed, many would have been paying a lot for a aircraft which, was not accurate had it not been for this forum.

For harmony, IMO should we not drop comments about the upbringing of individuals as thats how it could be construed and, as lawyers I ceratinly will always question questions with a question but, still had a correct upbringing.

Just my thoughts as ever
Mitch

You didn't actually answer his question. Didn't your mother teach it's impolite to answer a question with a question?

As far as the Fw, it's only about $44 more in the US, than the TG version not a terribly significant difference. I suppose it won't be possible to tell if one is better than the other until they've been both released and they can be evaluated side by side and perhaps the level of detailing is the difference.

As far as the UK goes, where it costs $332, isn't that partially a function of the British economy where everything costs more, not to mention the strength of the pound versus the dollar. I noticed that the Fw in France costs the equivalent of US $262, about $63 more than the US price of $199 but some $70 less than in the UK.

Moreover, if there is over a $130 price difference, why not purchase it from a US dealer?

 

[jazzeum]

Mitch,

The comment was a bit of a joke as that was what my mother always told me but I removed it from my comment.

As far as the detailing, pictures don't really do justice so you really can't tell things until you see them in person. However, I do agree 209 Pounds is a lot of money, one way or the other, which is why I suggested it may be more economical to purchase stateside.

 

[Mitch]

Jazzeum..

Thank you for that. Its a good point about getting from the states etc but, you still get hit with imports etc so, its a bit cheaper but, for many I know to much hastle. I agree from photos its hard to tell but, without a debate about whose is better it does look relatively similar. As you say the proof of the pudding so, to speak, is in the eating and will be proven in a side-by-side comparison but, you can see why people are asking the question if they are both polystone etc.

I would venture a guess that TG has very few overheads at the moment but, I do not really know the business details of these companies to go further
Mitch

Mitch,

The comment was a bit of a joke as that was what my mother always told me but I removed it from my comment.

As far as the detailing, pictures don't really do justice so you really can't tell things until you see them in person. However, I do agree 209 Pounds is a lot of money, one way or the other, which is why I suggested it may be more economical to purchase stateside.

 

[uksubs]

That tells me you don't look very hard If you check Ebay US you will find at least Two of the very popular FOV 1/16 Wittman 007 Tigers for USD $480 Buy it Now, which is well under the original RRP

Don't tell Mitch that you can get 007 Tigers cheap in the USA
Thing is Oz this thread is about detail of armour & I would like to keep it that way

 

[uksubs]

Jazzeum....

Regardless of the other issues my forum friend. The price in GBP for the king and country FW190 is £209.95 I believe Tommy gunn stated their's including vat is £109 approx. Price in the US does not seem to affect some as it does more in the UK.

From the pics the detail does not look differential to any degree that would make one think thats why I am paying more indeed, many would have been paying a lot for a aircraft which, was not accurate had it not been for this forum.

For harmony, IMO should we not drop comments about the upbringing of individuals as thats how it could be construed and, as lawyers I ceratinly will always question questions with a question but, still had a correct upbringing.

Just my thoughts as ever

Mitch

I think your post is spot on Mitch & thanks for pointing out to jazzeum the comment about my up bringing What wrong with been born in Henley on Thame old chap

 

[uksubs]

Comparing FOV with K & C is a bit like apples and orange. Generally, and I know there are exceptions, people buying K & C are not buying FOV.

I know loads of people who buy K&C soldiers & us FOV 1/32 vehicles with them

 

[jazzeum]

That's why I said there are exceptions

 

[uksubs]

Comparing FOV with K & C is a bit like apples and orange.

Your right mate for £40.00 you can buy FOV die cast Sherman or you can pay £159.00 for a pollystone K&C Sherman firefly & the gun barrel won't stay up

 

[SteveDavid]

Your right mate for £40.00 you can buy FOV die cast Sherman or you can pay £159.00 for a pollystone K&C Sherman firefly & the gun barrel won't stay up


Touché

 

[Mitch]

Many many people have said to me concerns they have about the wheels on K&C tanks let them down and, I can see what they mean. I mean, its even been raised on here very recently about the running gear of the new Tiger 1 so, its a concern to many collectors.

The superstructure is normally well done but, if you are comparing the running gear then FOV would look better and more realistic. I suppose the scales of the vehicles do not allow a real comparison as such but, I remember talking years ago with maison militare who said he off loaded lots of FOV to king and country collectors who wanted detail and would not pay the price of K&C then but, did buy the K&C figures.

Its all down to what you want what you expect for your hard earned money and, at the heart of this thread is an issue that is pertinent and alive so, its been a good and interesting discussion
Mitch

Don't tell Mitch that you can get 007 Tigers cheap in the USA
Thing is Oz this thread is about detail of armour & I would like to keep it that way

 

[jazzeum]

Your right mate for £40.00 you can buy FOV die cast Sherman or you can pay £159.00 for a pollystone K&C Sherman firefly & the gun barrel won't stay up [/QUOTE]

Different things appeal to different collectors and they are not the same type of collectible.